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deviantv1ral
2012-09-17, 03:39
Ive had my n900 for 1.5 years its been good but there's some quirks i can't fix even with cssu and 900mhz oc. i was wondering how the n9 compares
When someone's calling it's slow to come up, maybe 5 sec till it responds. it just rings on the lock screen or a blank screen.
emails take a while to load. 5gb gmail inbox and a mfe account.
medias take a while to load. about 17gb of music and 4gb of videos/pics, i dont even use it as a music player anymore. id like to move on to spotify
lack of mms. fmms is ok but when i get mass texts from android and ios it sends it as individual mms.
slow browser speed. even tried using google's dns.
biggest gripe is google calendar sync. it just doesn't work. and 3rd party software can be a clunky work around. ie manual syncing
i actually like the lumia series and was looking forward to the 920. but im on tmobile usa and its availability looks exclusive to at&t. (anti competition, dunno what they're thinking when they're trying to gain market share)
i do want to own an n9 for my collection so i found a used one for 2/3 the price of the retail price. but its cracked on the glass by the plastic. about half a cm long. and its black, i prefer magenta :o
cliffs:
n900 want to get an n9 but curious if problems are fixed.
I can see all of your problems with the N900 is the "slowness",
if you dont want to sell it let me please recommend you to flash it and install cssu-thumb then you can compare it with the N9 speed :)
what cssu-thumb ? power search up ahead ;)
Good luck
./sifo
thedead1440
2012-09-17, 05:15
cssu-thumb doesn't give you the smoothness and speed compared to the n9 sadly...I've both and although i got the n9 first and the n900 later on; its sad but true the internals for the n900 have become slightly long in the tooth...
A n9 nicely overclocked to 1150mhz is faster and more usable...
However as sifo said yup try cssu-thumb first since you already have the n900...
Btw for your questions:
When someone's calling it's slow to come up, maybe 5 sec till it responds. it just rings on the lock screen or a blank screen. This doesn't happen on the n9
emails take a while to load. 5gb gmail inbox and a mfe account.
I've a 2GB gmail inbox and only the past 2weeks emails are synced at first and new emails are added on. However, if you use MfE for gmail, it gives you the option to sync all emails via MeMailSettings add-on...Do remember the userfs data partition is only 2GB so if you sync all your emails with attachements etc you are pretty much screwed...If you want you can sync only headers to keep it to a minimum...MfE seems to work fine; if you have a hotmail MfE you need to use MeMailSettings to make it work as M$ have changed their protocol and almost every phone has a problem with it including iOS and Droids...MeMail is the only workaround AFAIK globally for hotmail accounts...It force changes the protocol so that hotmail MfE works...
medias take a while to load. about 17gb of music and 4gb of videos/pics, i dont even use it as a music player anymore. id like to move on to spotify
You will definitely need a 64GB n9...Tracker with pr1.3 onwards does give issues but if you are competent enough it should not be an issue...I've around 15GB of music and they get detected immediately but for all to be detected when I first transfer them in it took around 5mins...I've 6GB of videos/pics and same thing...
lack of mms. fmms is ok but when i get mass texts from android and ios it sends it as individual mms.
The n9 has mms built-in...If you are typing an sms and attached something it auto-converts the sms to a mms...
slow browser speed. even tried using google's dns.
IMO, the stock browser is actually not that bad...For flash you'll need to use Firefox...See some youtube videos for the stock browser to make up your mind...Its miles ahead of symbian stock and IMO better than MicroB on the n900 due to its speed and wrapping of text...
biggest gripe is google calendar sync. it just doesn't work. and 3rd party software can be a clunky work around. ie manual syncing
Google calendar can be sync if you use MfE...But only 1 MfE account's calendar can be synced at a time...At the moment i'm using hotmail MfE for my calendar...Maybe someone else can give their opinion on this...
HELLASISGREECE
2012-09-17, 05:35
Ive had my n900 for 1.5 years its been good but there's some quirks i can't fix even with cssu and 900mhz oc. i was wondering how the n9 compares
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[1]When someone's calling it's slow to come up, maybe 5 sec till it responds. it just rings on the lock screen or a blank screen.
[2]emails take a while to load. 5gb gmail inbox and a mfe account.
[3]medias take a while to load. about 17gb of music and 4gb of videos/pics, i dont even use it as a music player anymore. id like to move on to spotify
[4]lack of mms. fmms is ok but when i get mass texts from android and ios it sends it as individual mms.
[5]slow browser speed. even tried using google's dns.
1) It's easier and snapier than the N900 but still somewhat quirkier than most other phones.
Still, the N9 is a HUGE improvement over the N900 on answering calls.
2) I find the email experience better on the N9. It's faster, plus newsletters look and load way better on it. I have a huge problem with newsletters (containing lots of images) on the N900.
3) Videos and images load way faster on the N9. It's not even funny.
4) I don't even know if mms work on the N9. Never use mms myself. Why bother, actually? Why not sending the picture via an email?
5) Browser is a mixed bag. It's definitely faster on the N9 BUT the N900 has properly working flash player plus all the numerous keyboard shortcuts that make serfing a breeze.
So... internet on N900 is little slower but more "complete", if you get my grip.
^ pretty understandable outcome considering the 1GB ram the N9 has (plus the faster CPU)
ibrakalifa
2012-09-17, 05:46
I can see all of your problems with the N900 is the "slowness",
if you dont want to sell it let me please recommend you to flash it and install cssu-thumb then you can compare it with the N9 speed :)
what cssu-thumb ? power search up ahead ;)
Good luck
./sifo
have you ever use n9 before? Be honest, n900 is great, really great, but sometimes you cant hide its ages, jm2c
chiagn900
2012-09-17, 07:11
iasked my selfsame question 2 weeks ago..and theforum..i gotan n9..now myn900 is of less importance dust cuzi got a c7for whatsapp and light out door gaming...my n9 runs droid4.1.1 (sandwich) nemo(windows mobile 7.5) and meego...truing to port ubuntu for it if not for my laptop which is crashing allover the place like some lil ***** .plus the swipesystem for meego is awesome.its abeautifulphone and itwill have apps for your needs. all
have you ever use n9 before? Be honest, n900 is great, really great, but sometimes you cant hide its ages, jm2c
No i didnt, but im saying this according to what N9 users said after they tried thumb on their N900's and my point is cssu-thumb is just making the device faster and save some MBs in rootfs :)
./sifo
ibrakalifa
2012-09-17, 16:46
Try it, try both please, ;)
Lumiaman
2012-09-17, 17:03
Buy lumia 920, will be much better than N9. For me, N9 was a downgrade from N900
Ive had my n900 for 1.5 years its been good but there's some quirks i can't fix even with cssu and 900mhz oc. [...]
1st things 1st...
-1- are you simply bored of the N900 and want a new toy?
-2- is the slowness of your N900 so bad that you need something faster???
(i.e. if you could give your N900 back its original snappiness, you'll happily go on with it?)
ste-phan
2012-09-17, 17:51
Buy lumia 920, will be much better than N9. For me, N9 was a downgrade from N900
I can follow that, because the hardware of the N9 should have been at least that of the 920 and N900 combined.
But as Lumia specialist, how would you prevent MS spying on your everything if you were to accept N920 for a phone that just works?
I have read that IM XMPP clients (already builtin N900 feature) etc...cannot benefit from real time networking and that programs requiring socket connection are heavily routed over MS Sockets and difficult to program, is that true?
Any idea if a good video XMPP client has been programmed already?
When someone's calling it's slow to come up, maybe 5 sec till it responds. it just rings on the lock screen or a blank screen. You should deinstall "Battery Patch".
my n9 runs droid4.1.1 (sandwich) nemo(windows mobile 7.5) and meego...truing to port ubuntu for it
you what??
HELLASISGREECE
2012-09-18, 03:16
No i didnt, but im saying this according to what N9 users said after they tried thumb on their N900's and my point is cssu-thumb is just making the device faster and save some MBs in rootfs :)
./sifo
CSSU in general makes wonders with the N900.
It really gives it fuel to go further.
But, the N9 will always be faster. No matter how much you optimize the SW... it's the HW that makes the difference (snapy/speed wise).
The N9's stronger HardWare really shows.
: )
*I love both devices though
deviantv1ral
2012-09-18, 04:35
is thumb2 a branch of cssu? i do have the latest cssu installed.
thumb2 seems another branch of troubleshooting. i'd rather not install it in the middle of my senior year
i don't have battery patch installed
i bother with mms because my friends do. sadly i cant boss them to just email it to me.
partly wanting a new toy. partly because i can reply faster on google voice that i can on my n900 and i don't like carrying an extra battery.
i'll probably get a 16gb because i want to switch to streaming music. i don't listen to my library much except for the latest 10 albums i've acquired
i do like playing embedded flash videos but at the cost of browsing speed no thanks.
ive been reading mixed reports on google calendar sync. guess i won't know till i try.
can use the 920 because its not 3.5g pentaband its only LTE pentaband
thedead1440
2012-09-18, 04:40
then the n9 16gb would be better with its low cost and covering the main functions that you are looking for...
[...]
partly wanting a new toy. partly because i can reply faster on google voice that i can on my n900 and i don't like carrying an extra battery.[...]
did you keep all your conversation history since day 1?
don't know about MMS (don't use it) but simply 2+ yrs of convo means some SMS/IM windows take a couple seconds to open.
phone calls are fine, but i have reflashed (even my primary N900) at least twice a year
and i don't use any games / themes :rolleyes:
basically, even though i love to have a... Linux computer in my pocket :cool: it is 1st and foremost my (mobile) phone.
whenever i install something, this has to keep working. if it doesn't after installing something, something is gone :D
if something can't be uninstalled properly (CSSU comes to mind :(), re-flash...
i have CSSU-thumb on my 2nd N900 (30 to 40 MB more RAM available compared to prime) but CSSU is such as mess...
and i don't do (many) phone calls from nbr.2...
freemangordon
2012-09-20, 04:42
i have CSSU-thumb on my 2nd N900 (30 to 40 MB more RAM available compared to prime) but CSSU is such as mess...
and i don't do (many) phone calls from nbr.2...
Sorry for OT, but, would you elaborate on the mess?
biggest gripe is google calendar sync. it just doesn't work. and 3rd party software can be a clunky work around. ie manual syncing
Check that you have updated libcurl3, see here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1269278#post1269278).
Sorry for OT, but, would you elaborate on the mess?
simply doesn't work on my prime
period
i'm not saying it is only CSSU; it might well be CSSU interacting with another apps i have installed along the way in the last 2 yrs
have somewhere between 150 and 200
not even the same on prime and 2nd
but i rather suspect that it is b/c i don't make (many) calls w/ 2nd.
a few days i had CSSU stable on prime i had to take the battery out up to three times / day :mad:
re-flash, same apps w/ pk (was v49 or so back then) and runs days or even weeks at end.
same apps otherwise
thus, mess
what are you trying to prove with
CSSU stable
CSSU... testing (?)
CSSU thumb
?
that you can do everything, alas nothing right?
focus.
deviantv1ral
2012-09-21, 00:55
libcurl3 is included in cssu.
cssu mess is just adding portrait and other functionalities and some packages that just stopped working.
nothing negative on cssu, i love it and the community for keeping it up.
I'm long overdue for a reflash i suppose.
ive actually bought an n9 2 days ago and love it! I thought i'd come back and answer my own questions
When someone's calling it's slow to come up, maybe 5 sec till it responds. it just rings on the lock screen or a blank screen.
i was installing a package and working on nano to do some config editing and a call came slight delay but nothing like the n900
emails take a while to load. 5gb gmail inbox and a mfe account.
emails are quick and arrive with at the most 2 min delay. loading 2 weeks on exchange and some on gmail. but it cant search the rest of my inbox. so glad too the morning after i got the phone i received a time crucial email 10 min before i needed it
medias take a while to load. about 17gb of music and 4gb of videos/pics, i dont even use it as a music player anymore. id like to move on to spotify
reduced it down to 5gb of media. quick to load and sounds good with the dolby dsp playing an ac3 file through some anc headphones
lack of mms. fmms is ok but when i get mass texts from android and ios it sends it as individual mms.
mms works great much easier to share pictures with my significan other
slow browser speed. even tried using google's dns.
also much quicker even with multiple windows. not as quick as the newer androids or even a lumia 900. some sites are forced into mobile sites. both from wifi and hspa
biggest gripe is google calendar sync. it just doesn't work. and 3rd party software can be a clunky work around. ie manual syncing
biggest surprise it works well with caldav, but i havent tried anything beyond 30 days. also when syncing it said out of space and to clear some. i had plenty of space though so i just restarted and it works fine now
:D
freemangordon
2012-09-21, 12:04
@deviantv1ral - sorry for the OT, won't do it again(here), I promise :)
simply doesn't work on my prime
period
i'm not saying it is only CSSU; it might well be CSSU interacting with another apps i have installed along the way in the last 2 yrs
have somewhere between 150 and 200
not even the same on prime and 2nd
but i rather suspect that it is b/c i don't make (many) calls w/ 2nd.
a few days i had CSSU stable on prime i had to take the battery out up to three times / day :mad:
re-flash, same apps w/ pk (was v49 or so back then) and runs days or even weeks at end.
same apps otherwise
thus, mess
Aah, I see, CSSU not fitting your needs because your device is heavily tweaked == CSSU is a mess. Nice point of view, me likes it.
Which exactly flavor did you try and when? An year ago? Where is your bug report?
what are you trying to prove with
CSSU stable
CSSU... testing (?)
CSSU thumb
?
that you can do everything, alas nothing right?
focus.
You have NFC what are those, aren't you? And why the hell do you think anyone tries to prove something by dedicating his/her free time on coding, maintaining, bug chasing, etc? As if we don't have families and jobs. Do you think that those involved in CSSU (no matter what flavor) are just a bunch of losers with plenty of free time they spent trying to prove themselves by using "popularity" that comes with CSSU? Meh, you must be joking.
Focus? On what? Focus on solving your inability to keep your device in consistent state? Come on, why do you think your device is the most important thing CSSU team should take care of. Lower your self esteem a bit, ok? That way maybe you'll realize that it is highly impolite to preach anyone else but your relatives. Esp when you are even not familiar with those people.
Anyway, you'd better educate yourself. Let me try to help you:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597&postcount=1
And before someone accuse me of having no clue how great N9 is, remember, I was one of the CA winners (N950). You may ask yourself why I am not using it as my primary device, but one of my n900s. Though - different people, different needs.
N900 ---> N9 ---> Jolla Mobile
@deviantv1ral - sorry for the OT, won't do it again(here), I promise :)
sure buddy, only the 2nd time, isn't it?
know what, save your typing skills... for whatever...
Aah, I see, CSSU not fitting your needs because your device is heavily tweaked == CSSU is a mess.[...]
as long as CSSU isn't on it, my N900 is running fine, thanks for asking.
as to the rest of your whining...
grow up, get a life
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