View Full Version : Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
I know this is a stupid question but many phones such as the N9 and the N900 were unlocked and could easily be imported and used. Will that be the case with the Jolla device?
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available (I guess not until the actual release on November 27th).
So far, all they said was:
GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents).
* List of supported countries and operators will be published later.
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available.
So far, all they said was:
Honestly why didnt they just release that information....makes me miss the old nokia company.
I don't know, I doubt that information will suddenly change now in such a short time. You can ask them this question.
I'd be willing to bet yes, but 4G/LTE is questionable based on whomever you pick as your provider in the US.
But it might/should fallback to 3G in most cases. Just an educated guess, so please treat it as such.
Ken-Young
2013-11-19, 00:19
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available (I guess not until the actual release on November 27th).
I think even Apple is less secretive about the specs of their upcoming products than Jolla is.
There is no practical benefit in publishing these specs, while you can't even buy the device yet. Except may be letting potential users plan their future purchases in a better fashion. On the other hand I'm not sure how publishing them can hurt Jolla.
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php#
yet its not official i assume
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php#
yet its not official i assume
I just can't trust GSMArena before it's released. Remember they stated that the N900 was going to have Java on their pre-release pages? Heck, I think it still said it until very recently...
Lumiaman
2013-11-19, 03:36
Hmmmmm....low scores and pathetic interest ...here is another bad news
http://gigaom.com/2013/11/15/remember-jollas-early-announcements-of-bigtime-backing-about-that/
dak_sriv
2013-11-19, 05:14
The website, gsm arena sates that it has NFC as well. Now, I might be mistaken, but Jolla officially never said anything about NFC... did they?
youmeego
2013-11-19, 05:37
never trust gsmarena
gerbick
agree with you not trusting gsmarena or any other place for that matter until official released from Jolla. Thats why i mentioned "not official" and there is Disclaimer @ gsmarena "We can not guarantee that the information on this page is 100% correct"
i guess this more trustworthy http://jolla.com/ (speaking of NFC) there is spec. ;)
On the other hand I'm not sure how publishing them can hurt Jolla.
Now that the phones are already beign made it makes no difference. Before finalising the hardware, it made sense not to commit supporting any spesific frequency bands other than those used in EU.
dak_sriv
2013-11-19, 07:38
never trust gsmarena
eh... It's my goto site for specs :o
eh... It's my goto site for specs :o
If the specs are not widely available, GSMArena guaranteed to get the specs wrong. It's actually pretty amazing how they always manage to do that.
Has Jolla confirmed that LTE will work in Finland at least?
They haven't confirmed any frequency support. But all 3 main LTE networks in finland work at 800 (planned, not active yet), 1800 and 2600 mhz. (There's also one test project at 700mhz). So support for those bands would be quite probable.
Has Jolla confirmed that LTE will work in Finland at least?
Nope, but they have confirmed LTE and launch in FInland.
So it should at least work on EU standard 1800Mhz and 2600 MHz bands. Big question is if it works on newer 800Mhz frequencies, which is what most of Finland (outside Helsinki, Turku, Tampere and few bigger towns) will be covered with. My guess would be that the cheap generic Chinese hardware platforms (ie Jolla) don't mostly support it yet.
Bubbless
2013-11-19, 09:25
The website, gsm arena sates that it has NFC as well. Now, I might be mistaken, but Jolla officially never said anything about NFC... did they?
Sorry, you are mistaken. Check Jolla.com ---> All specs -> Network & connectivity.
rainisto
2013-11-19, 09:52
Sorry, you are mistaken. Check Jolla.com ---> All specs -> Network & connectivity.
But please remember to read "Extension interfaces for"-part before you jump into wrong conclusions :)
Bubbless
2013-11-19, 13:55
But please remember to read "Extension interfaces for"-part before you jump into wrong conclusions :)
And what would these wrong conclusions be?
That having an extension interface for NFC is the same as having NFC
Bubbless
2013-11-19, 14:03
That having an extension interface for NFC is the same as having NFC
Ok. What TOH uses to connect to the actual phone then?
It is not clear to me what that means. Is NFC included in the main half (phone), or only in NFC-capable-OH connected through I²C? The latter sounds limiting, and I admit I always believed the main NFC part was in the phone (plus NFC chips in some OH for simple interactions, like automatic Ambiance).
Lumiaman
2013-11-20, 16:42
Jolla will self explode as soon as it crosses the US border. Jolla will not withstand pressure from other competitors.
Akkumaru
2013-11-21, 02:10
It is not clear to me what that means. Is NFC included in the main half (phone), or only in NFC-capable-OH connected through I²C? The latter sounds limiting, and I admit I always believed the main NFC part was in the phone (plus NFC chips in some OH for simple interactions, like automatic Ambiance).
I believe IT IS in the phone. If it's not it'd be crazy enough. Since TOH can connect through NFC to the phone. Anyway, kinda off topic :p
Sazpaimon
2013-11-28, 02:36
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?
Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.
Ken-Young
2013-11-28, 04:55
Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.
They've been Raptured into heaven, and we've been left behind.
youmeego
2013-11-28, 05:10
and does it work in australia and singapore
Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.
I guess everything must be working just fine, otherwise you'd see somebody bitching about it :D
I guess everything must be working just fine, otherwise you'd see somebody bitching about it :D
Well, those of us outside of the initially supported regions want to know if devices will work with our mobile providers as well :) Since device is out, shouldn't Jolla publish the full specs on the modem somewhere?
I agree... Would be nice to know if I'm getting an LTE device or 3G device :p
about bands
I read on IRC that 4G will come later as an upgrade (see that in the user guide only 3G is mentionned)
So maybe something is still unclear and they do not want to make any announcement yet?
Regarding 3G they could make a statement. But they basically mean that it works everywhere with 3G (but that is more my assumption).
As an upgrade to the hardware? How exactly do you see this happening? Or it's a software limitation which can be fixed with an OS update?
User guide does mention 4G in the very end.
As an upgrade to the hardware? How exactly do you see this happening? Or it's a software limitation which can be fixed with an OS update?
User guide does mention 4G in the very end.
Not via an other half :) but I understood they need to enable it via a OS update
Sazpaimon
2013-11-28, 16:58
about bands
I read on IRC that 4G will come later as an upgrade (see that in the user guide only 3G is mentionned)
So maybe something is still unclear and they do not want to make any announcement yet?
Regarding 3G they could make a statement. But they basically mean that it works everywhere with 3G (but that is more my assumption).
Even if that were true, the 4G modem hardware only supports a certain number of frequencies, and that cannot be changed via software. So I'd really like to know what those frequencies are.
Regarding 3G, it's probably obvious that it's pentaband at this point, but I'd like to have some closure on this.
No, jPhone cannot be used, not even imported into US. You know why? I tell you why. The moment it hits the US soil, Jolla will be sued by Apple for patent infringement in speaker placement. So, that's all, folks.
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
Now you can do your math about what will work in the US.
I don't find any info about LTE, though, and as I don't have an LTE contract, cannot test it either.
Lumiaman
2013-11-28, 21:25
LTE isn't functional on Jolla device, so that shouldn't figure into your calculation.
Yeah, w00t commented, that initially LTE is not enabled in software, however hardware supports it. So what we need is full hardware specs really.
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
Now you can do your math about what will work in the US.
I don't find any info about LTE, though, and as I don't have an LTE contract, cannot test it either.
For T-Mobile this looks bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
They are moving 3G UMTS/HSPA+ from 1700 MHz to 1900 MHz, but it doesn't look like they are finished with this. Anyway, 2100 MHz is missing the point for UMTS.
And, T-Mobile's LTE will live on 1700 MHz. If this is the final spec, I'll have to skip this device, since T-Mobile is the only sane provider with decent coverage here (unless LTE will be supported on the proper frequency).
skyjumper
2013-11-28, 23:34
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
Now you can do your math about what will work in the US.
I don't find any info about LTE, though, and as I don't have an LTE contract, cannot test it either.
Excellent! Vodafone AU is good to go :-)
Sazpaimon
2013-11-28, 23:34
For T-Mobile this looks bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
They are moving 3G UMTS/HSPA+ from 1700 MHz to 1900 MHz, but it doesn't look like they are finished with this. Anyway, 2100 MHz is missing the point for UMTS.
And, T-Mobile's LTE will live on 1700 MHz. If this is the final spec, I'll have to skip this device, since T-Mobile is the only sane provider with decent coverage here (unless LTE will be supported on the proper frequency).
Seconded. This is immensely disappointing to me. If I can't use LTE or even 3G reliably, I'll have to skip out on this device. Hopefully they'll release a second batch with a different radio for a more global market, but that's doubtful...
Producing another version with a different modem would be the only option then. It shouldn't be impossible, but probably won't happen right away.
javispedro
2013-11-29, 02:25
According to dmesg SoC is 8930AA, and according to Wikipedia that's the same as HTC First or HTC One Mini. Update your calculations :)
If these SoCs don't have modem variations, then the specs can look like this:
* GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
* 3G-HSPA+ (850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
* 4G-LTE (700/1700/2100 MHz)
However, I suspect they can have variations of the modem within the same SoC. Only newest Qualcomms support really the full spectrum of relevant frequencies. Older ones are segmented.
If the list above is OK, then it would work with T-Mobile, in areas where they bumped UMTS/HSPA+ to 1900 MHz, and will work with T-Mobile LTE when the OS will enable 4G.
Producing another version with a different modem would be the only option then. It shouldn't be impossible, but probably won't happen right away.
Well, the box label shows "EU" model on it, so there is still hope for models for other regions.
ggabriel
2013-11-29, 10:44
No, jPhone cannot be used, not even imported into US. You know why? I tell you why. The moment it hits the US soil, Jolla will be sued by Apple for patent infringement in speaker placement. So, that's all, folks.
I'm not a lawyer, but my basic knowledge of international law tells me that what you say isn't possible since Jolla isn't represented in the US. Yes - they can try to sue in Europe, but good luck with that. The EU is a bit more sensible when it comes to patent infringement and all that in comparison to the US. Apple was already denied attempts to sue Samsung in Europe, at least once. Hell, the same happened to Nokia, and they are successfully pursuing lawsuits in the US!
In short, you can always import the phone into the US, and there will be nothing that Apple can do legally to stop you from using it.
EDIT: You can always import for personal use, that is, if you attempt to resell it they may come after you ;-)
In short, you can always import the phone into the US, and there will be nothing that Apple can do legally to stop you from using it.
Err.... there is FCC.
Without FCC declaration of conformity a device generating RF emission cannot be used in US territory.
And considering that we are talking about a mobile phone, it is not exactly practical try to hide from it :D
I don't know single phone top of my head that supports EU LTE bands and a single US carrier LTE bands. US has it really complicated as big carriers have cut some of the frequencies to different bands for separate carriers.
Anyways thinking on what SoC they have on Jolla LTE should not work over in US.
Do we know Jolla hasn't gone through FCC? I don't remember how it went back in the N93 etc days when plenty of American's did order their Nokia's from overseas. N95 at least had its US versions.
ggabriel
2013-11-29, 12:00
Err.... there is FCC.
Without FCC declaration of conformity a device generating RF emission cannot be used in US territory.
And considering that we are talking about a mobile phone, it is not exactly practical try to hide from it :D
I don't think the FCC can enforce any individual who brings a phone from abroad to do anything. Think about tourism for exmaple. What happens if I get a Jolla and decide to go to the US for a holiday/business meeting/etc.? The immigration forms ask a lot of questions about drugs and previous criminal convictions but nothing about devices that aren't approved by the FCC.
I doubt it's even legal that the FCC can confiscate anything that you own. If anything, it's impractical. If you get a Jolla, in fact, if a buch of you get a Jolla and it works in the US, it will be a drop in the ocean as far as RF transmissions are concerned. To be honest, I wouldn't worry, but I don't live there so it's up to the invidual ;-)
This changes a lot when you are commercialising devices, however.
I wonder what is the SAR value for Jolla with LTE + WiFi hotspot working at the same time, to pass the FCC it will have to be not higher than 1.6 W / kg.
mrsellout
2013-11-29, 21:09
If these SoCs don't have modem variations, then the specs can look like this:
* GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
* 3G-HSPA+ (850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
* 4G-LTE (700/1700/2100 MHz)
The specs for the HTC First and One mini are below, and for the latter there are indeed variations by region. As someone who has recently signed up to a contract with Vodafone UK (800/2600MHZ LTE), I hope they've used the European variant in the One mini.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-first/#specs
UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/1700/2100 MHz
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one-mini/#specs
2G/ 2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G/ 3.5G - UMTS/ HSPA:
EMEA: 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 with HSPA+ up to 42/5.76 Mbps
4G - LTE:
EMEA: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
Pretty sure whole EU will be supported (eu commission and regulatory bodies) us is wild west once again (ounce again, didn't you guys end with imperial ties?)
SAR to head 0.546 W/kg, body 1.470 W/kg (See http://jolla.com/guide/#sec-17). To head it is less than N95! See http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/people-and-planet/emf-health/sar/sar-information/
cy8aer: That may be SAR during regular operation, unless they meant maximum possible use case. SAR of mobile radio + WiFi is always higher than just mobile.
From the community FAQ (http://piratepad.net/JollaFAQ):
Quoting the sticker on the box: "GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS: 900/2100 MHz"
That's not good for T-Mobile really. Most probable result - we'll have to wait for another production batch.
Sazpaimon
2013-12-01, 03:37
Not even pentaband 3G? That's a serious disappointment, and surprising especially coming from Nokia alum (who have historically been very good about having their unlocked phones be global 3G).
May be they tried to cut costs? Device is already overpriced for the average level of such hardware. Better modem could increase the price even more.
We should probably ask Jolla when they are going to produce some ETA about other regions. One month and one year are quite different.
skyjumper
2013-12-02, 00:07
Seeing as the phone seems to be compatible with Australian networks - Vodafone, anyone thinking of importing one?
So... this will work with AT&T it seems like. Hmm... I'm on AT&T.
So... this will work with AT&T it seems like. Hmm... I'm on AT&T.
Doesn't look like it, unless you are OK with 2G.
Jolla's device supported frequencies:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
AT&T mobility, USA: (from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility#Network).
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850 MHz, 1900 MHz PCS
UMTS/HSPA+: 850 MHz CLR, 1900 MHz PCS
Which means, 2G would probably work, 3G - no. LTE isn't clear, since we don't know what frequencies the device supports, and it's not enabled in software yet anyway.
Basically with T-Mobile is the same story. 2G would work, but nothing else so far.
Doesn't look like it, unless you are OK with 2G.
Jolla's device supported frequencies:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
AT&T mobility, USA: (from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility#Network).
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850 MHz, 1900 MHz PCS
UMTS/HSPA+: 850 MHz CLR, 1900 MHz PCS
Which means, 2G would probably work, 3G - no. LTE isn't clear, since we don't know what frequencies the device supports, and it's not enabled in software yet anyway.
Well damn. I stand corrected...
mattaustin
2013-12-02, 04:45
Seeing as the phone seems to be compatible with Australian networks - Vodafone, anyone thinking of importing one?
I'm getting one, I want to show my support for Jolla, and am putting my wallet where my mouth is :). A bit of a risk with no warranty, but hopefully It'll be alright (I'd feel a lot happier if the flasher was released).
I'm on Virgin Mobile (Optus), so will see how compatible the device is, although I don't mind switching provider if I need to.
skyjumper
2013-12-02, 05:16
I'm getting one, I want to show my support for Jolla, and am putting my wallet where my mouth is :). A bit of a risk with no warranty, but hopefully I'll be alright (I'd feel a lot happier if the flasher was released).
I'm on Virgin Mobile (Optus), so will see how compatible the device is, although I don't mind switching provider if I need to.
Great work! It will be interesting to hear about your experiences from a local. Now we just have to hope the "retail" version isn't any different h/w wise to what you get. Now I just need some money....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbE9AV3S8xI&t=4m09s
We don't have any plans for North America at the moment
We'll have to wonder how long will that "at the moment" last. Alternatively, if they'll enable LTE and it would be compatible, it can be an option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbE9AV3S8xI&t=4m09s
We'll have to wonder how long will that "at the moment" last. Alternatively, if they'll enable LTE and it would be compatible, it can be an option.
It's unfortunate really when it boils down to a frequency limitation which appears unnecessary to build into any device these days. It seems to follow suit however with other areas of hardware corner-cutting and cost savings.
Canada is not much differernt from the US in terms of frequencies. T-Mobile is/was the parallel reference for a long time in relation to reasonably affordable service providers in Canada.
I would need to switch my carrier in order to use a Jolla in Canada. I'm not so sure it's worth the hassle. Certainly not the cost! It's looking more and more like next generation Jolla devices for us here in North America. At a glance Jolla LTE isn't looking promising for supported frequencies in Canada. :o
In US T-Mobile is the most sensible provider because it uses no contracts, offers a plan without data caps and has decent and responsive support. Anyway, the way things look now, it's probably good to wait.
youmeego
2013-12-06, 04:17
does it support Australian Telstar as well?
slaapliedje
2013-12-06, 06:26
It'd be a sad day indeed if we had to buy an Android device that then had Jolla ported to.. I rather like the design they have, but I'm another that uses T-Mobile and am wanting to get the Jolla phone. I have my T-shirt!
slaapliedje
slaapliedje: The only option so far is for Jolla to start making additional production line with common USA bands compatible modems. I hope it won't take another year for Jolla to do that. Even if they'll produce Asia targeted line, it won't really help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
I'm on Virgin Mobile (Optus), so will see how compatible the device is, although I don't mind switching provider if I need to.
Jolla supports UMTS 900/2100 which means complete 3G coverage with Optus Australia and also Vodafone & 2degrees in New Zealand. However Telstra's 850 Mhz 3G is missing according to the famous sticker.
We'll have to wait for LTE, but I would expect at least 1800 and 2600 MHz. I understand that 1800 Mhz is the most common for LTE in Australia for now.
I know Jolla hasn't sought out FCC certification yet. Do they have CE certification yet? Anybody with a box or device, care to check?
I know Jolla hasn't sought out FCC certification yet. Do they have CE certification yet? Anybody with a box or device, care to check?
Haven't noticed or checked for a sticker myself, but I believe a CE certification is a requirement to sell the device in Europe.
Haven't noticed or checked for a sticker myself, but I believe a CE certification is a requirement to sell the device in Europe.
If you have a device, should be simple to sort out, shouldn't it?
If you have a device, should be simple to sort out, shouldn't it?
Yes it has. It's under the battery and it reports "CE 0682" .
The 0682 is the 'notified body' that has done the assessment, and it's listed in EU documents as CETECOM ICT SERVICES GMBH (Germany).
Yes it has. It's under the battery and it reports "CE 0682" .
The 0682 is the 'notified body' that has done the assessment, and it's listed in EU documents as CETECOM ICT SERVICES GMBH (Germany).
Thank you kindly. Weird question, I know. But hadn't seen the certification.
Besides the CE 0682 mark, the box also lists the frequencies as follows:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz
I have a Jolla and I can confirm:
* Working great on AT&T for 2G.
* None of the UTMS bands the phone supports are available, so 3G/LTE is no-go.
* The input language is listed as English (UK) but based on my cursory inspection, the auto-completion will provide American English suggestions (e.g. color vs colour).
Thanks for the confirmation. 2G was expected to work and 3G wasn't. LTE isn't even enabled yet, and we still don't know which LTE frequencies the device supports.
There was this @Jollahq today
"Jolla supports 900 & 2100 MHz for 3G."
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks)no North American network supports those. Those bands cover all of Europe, Australia & Africa, almost every Asian network and some of Latin America, but obviously not much help for canadians and americans.
Ironically, newer Qualcomm modems are already universal and support all frequencies without segmenting them. We'll have to wait for Jolla to release the next model in a couple of years. Or if they'll decide, they'll release a modified version for the American users.
salyavin
2013-12-18, 23:17
I would personally be willing to pay more for a version with a newer modem that would allow me to use it in the US and Asia. Any idea what the qualcomm modem they have supports for LTE frequencies which they should be enabling with a later software update?
Jolla probably knows what LTE frequencies are supported in the hardware, but they didn't publish that info yet. May be Qualcomm has common variations of those modems? Than you just need to properly identify it.
indianarm
2013-12-24, 15:18
Jolla phone in my hand at the moment in Texas. Only able to connect to T-mobile - 2G. I tried a H20 wireless SIM and still only 2G. Missing the UMTS 850 mhz by the looks of it. Last hope is LTE but I am doubtful that it will work when they update the sailfish software to allow for LTE. If that turns out to be the case sadfully I may have a jolla phone on ebay shortly thereafter. It would be a sad day as I am also a proud a N900 and an N9 owner.
Jolla phone in my hand at the moment in Texas. Only able to connect to T-mobile - 2G. I tried a H20 wireless SIM and still only 2G. Missing the UMTS 850 mhz by the looks of it. Last hope is LTE but I am doubtful that it will work when they update the sailfish software to allow for LTE. If that turns out to be the case sadfully I may have a jolla phone on ebay shortly thereafter. It would be a sad day as I am also a proud a N900 and an N9 owner.
That sucks, but with that said, why not hold out and see what happens?
I truly doubt the current chipset will support our LTE bands - the GSM bands don't work - but it was not a phone for use in the North American market as-is...
mattaustin
2013-12-25, 06:00
Re: Australia
I'm on Virgin Mobile (Optus), so will see how compatible the device is, although I don't mind switching provider if I need to.
I'm happy to report my Jolla is working on Virgin Mobile 3G (Optus). I just had to manually configure the access point.
Relevant news to this thread: supported frequencies of the Jolla phone have been officially published in jolla.com
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
4G LTE** (Works on 6 continents)
youmeego
2013-12-28, 16:36
Relevant news to this thread: supported frequencies of the Jolla phone have been officially published in jolla.com
does it mean australian telstar 3g work?
does it mean australian telstar 3g work?
Don't know, you should find the frequencies they support from somewhere, maybe google it?
I think they may release a quad-band 3g version later (850/900/1900/2100) for use in the rest of the world. The current phone seems tailored for Europe ONLY :(
I miss these things from Nokia (pentaband wcdma in N8/N9), they knew how to make world phones.
. The current phone seems tailored for Europe ONLY :(
Nope.
The 3G bands support all networks in Europe and Africa, almost all GSM networks in Asia and Oceania, plus some of the networks in latin America.
Only north America is really totally excluded. Canadian networks seem to use partially european standard bands on LTE, so at least hope for canadians, if Jolla ever gets the advertised LTE support working.
900/2100 WCDMA only? I don't mean to rag on them because they likely had to cut costs somewhere and I'd assume it's not easy to procure higher-end radios without being a major distributor, but as an american that is so 2007 ;)
It's boggling why they chose to not give out this information on their website until yesterday.
This information was available for a quite some time already, but not on the site though.
does it mean australian telstar 3g work?
Nothing has changed since my previous answer on 8th Dec. There's no support for Telstra's 850 MHz 3G so coverage would be limited, also for calls & SMS because on many areas there's no 2G. Of course in cities and some towns even on Telstra there would be 2G, possibly still 2100 MHz 3G and in the future LTE support.
EDIT: Telstra has officially shut down the 2100 MHz 3G network it shared with another operator, however it may also have its own 3G sites that could still be active. There are reports even from 2013 that 2100 MHz 3G still works in some places. Whatever the case, coverage would be limited at best.
skyjumper
2013-12-30, 00:46
does it mean australian telstar 3g work?
btw, it's Telstra ! ;)
Nope.
The 3G bands support all networks in Europe and Africa, almost all GSM networks in Asia and Oceania, plus some of the networks in latin America.
Only north America is really totally excluded. Canadian networks seem to use partially european standard bands on LTE, so at least hope for canadians, if Jolla ever gets the advertised LTE support working.
Yea, my bad, I forgot that Asia and EU have similar bands for 2G and 3G. This means only North America is excluded at this point. Not that it will hurt Jolla, as there is a wider market out there outside North America, but its a sad thing for us in the USA. :(
I added a request for official support to TJC, please vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/8330/extend-official-support-to-north-america/
There is also a request to support frequencies at least: https://together.jolla.com/question/489/requested-jolla-hardware-with-north-american-3g-frequencies/
I added a request for official support to TJC, please vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/8330/extend-official-support-to-north-america/
There is also a request to support frequencies at least: https://together.jolla.com/question/489/requested-jolla-hardware-with-north-american-3g-frequencies/I don't think there's any point in doing this until they have the capability to both make a device that works for the american market AND market it in some way. It would have been nice to at least support 850/1900 3G, at least for the enthusiasts (who would be the only ones buying this device here anyway.)
Unfortunately leaving us out for this initial launch was the right move, it's still relatively unknown online and has a chance at better first impressions if Jolla survives long enough to make their device and software better.
There is always a point to demonstrate demand, so vote if you care. They easily can have the capabilities (they can just use the proper modem in the next batch). I don't think hardware is an issue for them, but legal threats are.
Not sure whether it was right or wrong, but it's not based on any demand, but rather on risks. I'd expect the level of demand in US to be not lower than in Europe. The device now is used mostly by enthusiasts anyway and general public has no clue about Jolla, whether in Europe or elsewhere, and Jolla are OK with that, while it fits their production capacity. When Jolla will decide to change that, they'll pour more resources in marketing.
I agree. Making some noise about USA support will help them steer their efforts. We should remember that even though N9 was not officially sold in USA, its included HSPA on 850/1700/1900 in its pentaband setup, which helped it sell a huge numbers of units in USA, even if unofficially.
EDIT: Put my vote together.jolla.com. :) :(
Sorry if I missed it. Will Jolla phone work on T-Mobile in US for phone calls. Perhaps one option would be to use sim card for phone calls only and get data seperately via mobile wifi unit. Seems like a pain but folks often carry a tablet with them that uses the mobile wifi. Some wifi is not too expensive. Also would sms work via this route? Thanks!
Sorry if I missed it. Will Jolla phone work on T-Mobile in US for phone calls. Perhaps one option would be to use sim card for phone calls only and get data seperately via mobile wifi unit. Seems like a pain but folks often carry a tablet with them that uses the mobile wifi. Some wifi is not too expensive. Also would sms work via this route? Thanks!
Yes. Quad-band GSM + EDGE. Remember the original iPhone? Welcome to 2007!
(posting this with Opera browser on Elisa's 2G, world's first GSM network by the way, launched in July 1991)
zoovision
2014-01-22, 02:30
Hi Guys,
Its been awhile since I've been on here. Been thinking about buying a Jolla device off of EBay until I read about connection issues here in the USA. I'm on ATT and have spoiled with LTE on my 1020. So if I'm understanding this correctly on ATT I'd only get 2g edge speeds? If so I'm very bummed as I was looking forward to a N9 replacement. Is this LTE software upgrade true and would that help ATT US users?
Thanks!
Sean
Is this LTE software upgrade true and would that help ATT US users?
it has been speculated that the LTE frequencies for the jolla are 800/1800/2600
the at&t US LTE frequencies are 700/1700/1900/2300
afaik, no, unless the speculation is wrong {which it easily could be}, or they plan on swapping out the modem for US versions
.
note that no other carrier in US uses those bands for LTE. {not that its relevant, but i think sprint uses 800MHZ}
If so I'm very bummed as I was looking forward to a N9 replacement.
note that the Neo900 WILL in fact have 4G LTE in the US and will, in many ways, be better than a jolla. {though neo900 is worse in other ways, e.g.: single core, more expensive}
the Neo900 is my current N9 replacement plan, partly because of LTE in the US.
I see that the LTE frequency for MetroPCS in the US is 1900mhz, could that possibly work for the Jolla?
Nope sorry.
"LTE: Bands 3 (1800 MHz), 7 (2600 MHz), 20 (800 MHz)"
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/417589573175488513
https://together.jolla.com/question/2764/is-jolla-dc-hsdpa-compatible/
Thank you for that response. What about the sprint 800mhz? Is that definitely out as well?
I am in the US and bought a jolla phone which I absolutely LOVE, but unfortunately 2g is all that is available. If the the phone will not work on sprint, looks like I will be putting it up on ebay unfortunately.
Thank you for that response. What about the sprint 800mhz? Is that definitely out as well?
Crap. I'll be the bearer of bad news, again! The right frequency, but wrong in everything following the radio signal. That american network is using the Chinese flavor LTE. In laymans terms, Jolla phone would pick up the radio waves but wouldn't know what to do with the signal.
Not really wanting to bust the balls of my fellow human beigns on the other side of the Atlantic, but as far as Jolla is concerned:
You're screwed on 3G and only the ones who know how to play hockey will get relief on 4G.
Thank you for that response. What about the sprint 800mhz? Is that definitely out as well?
I am in the US and bought a jolla phone which I absolutely LOVE, but unfortunately 2g is all that is available. If the the phone will not work on sprint, looks like I will be putting it up on ebay unfortunately.
I might consider buying it. Where abouts do you live?
I am in Maryland. I really love the sailfish OS, I would consider trading the jolla for a 64gb N9 running sailfish if anyone is interested.
I am in Maryland. I really love the sailfish OS, I would consider trading the jolla for a 64gb N9 running sailfish if anyone is interested.
Well, this is getting interesting! I live near Gaitherburg MD. If you do not live too far away I'd love to take a look and see how it works regardless. I actually have an N9 but I could never part with it even though I don't use it anymore. Same with my n900. I could be wrong but my impression is that as the updates continue for Sailfish OS it might get harder to port to N9 so you might consider keeping it if you want a device that is up to date. The 2G aspect has kept me from buying till now but I decided if I did buy it, it would be for tinkering around with and just using wifi for data. I have a friend in Switzerland that can pick one up for me so there is no rush. Right now I'm waiting to see what happens at MWC and whether progress is made porting to Nexus 4 or 5. But if you really want to part with it and it is in verg good condition I might consider buying it.
justadude
2014-02-01, 03:30
That's crazy you two are in Maryland. I live in Pennsylvania roughly 30mins from the Maryland border. Small world! I have a brand new in the box spare N9 that I have only booted a few times. I don't know if I could part with it though :)
Its perfect condition, just took it out of the box yesterday. Its an amazing phone. 2g is tough tho
That's crazy you two are in Maryland. I live in Pennsylvania roughly 30mins from the Maryland border. Small world! I have a brand new in the box spare N9 that I have only booted a few times. I don't know if I could part with it though :)
hi justadude. There were a few of us n9 enthusiasts in the greater DC area that purchased the n9 despite the lack of support form nokia. About two years ago there was a meetup in Rockville MD. It was really informative and fun. Who knows. Maybe in 6 months or so there can be a meetup for the Jolla phone owners and Sailfish users if there is enough success with porting to other devices!
Here is a link to the meet up thread. The last page has some pics of our n9s
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80891&highlight=rockville
@tsfak For now I don't think I could pay more than $300. So you are likely better off trying ebay...
There was some meetup for N9/N950 users planned in NY as well, but I think it didn't happen in the end.
Having just received my Jolla the answer is yes it can be used in the United States. No you will not have 3G or 4G/LTE service for data. But I do not need it since I have my hotspot with me all the time.
That's not too practical because you barely can get a plan with just telephony service without any Internet. Otherwise you'll have to pay twice (one time for your phone plan, and second time for the hotspot plan).
I can honestly say that I love sailfish so much I am willing to deal with the 2G connection. I also have a hotspot for work, so hardly notice the lack of 4G.
I have a hotspot for my business. Had it before the Jolla and it is coming in handy with Jolla.
Somebody knows where to buy a Jolla in the US?
As far as I know you cannot buy it in US. I have a good friend in Switzerland that is getting it for me. About 293 Euro plus shipping
Used the coupon code FOSDEM2014 to save 40 Euro. Should have it in about 3 weeks.
i listened that imports from europe retain the battery
i listened that imports from europe retain the battery
Hi. I'm a little confused by what you have written. Do you mean that imports of Jolla phone have had the battery removed? Also, have you identified a store that will allow you to import phone?
Do you mean that imports of Jolla phone have had the battery removed?
Thats what i heard
Also, have you identified a store that will allow you to import phone?
ebay :rolleyes:
If you use a courier company (Fed Ex, UPS etc) then you won't have issues with the battery. Having said that, depending on the country you're in, a courier can work out to be quite a bit more expensive.
abyzthomas
2014-02-08, 01:43
Confirmed. Only 2G for T-Mobile USA
:-(
Update:Just received my Jolla today.
It's not just annoying for you Americans, it's going to be annoying for anyone from Europe unlucky enough to have to visit the US.
I presume they didn't bother with US frequencies as they didn't want to go through FCC approval.
Adding frequencies doesn't need FCC approval as long as they aren't officially selling it in US.
Would it be feasible via 3D printing to make an "other half" that had a Mobile HotSpot device incorporated into it. Then you could make calls and have reasonable data speeds. Can parts from HotSpot device be cannibalized so as to not make the "other half" too big? Also, would this fry your brain over time? Seriously, would prolonged exposure to WiFi source at close distances be hazardous to health?
Would it be feasible via 3D printing to make an "other half" that had a Mobile HotSpot device incorporated into it. Then you could make calls and have reasonable data speeds. Can parts from HotSpot device be cannibalized so as to not make the "other half" too big? Also, would this fry your brain over time? Seriously, would prolonged exposure to WiFi source at close distances be hazardous to health?
Interesting question, really :)
I'd assume that if the output power of the WLAN device is attenuated enough there would be no health hazards whatsoever. As the parts are physically next to each other the transmission power needed would be small indeed (a quick estimate; less than 1dBm would be more than enough...). That would be easy to build into the hotspot part built in the OH, but how could you make sure that the output of the Jolla device would be low enough?
However, the power output of the 3G part of the device is on the range of 20dBm...27dBm, while WLAN is rated at around 15dbm so I'd suppose there's no immediate hazards even when the WLAN is operating at full output :D
I keep getting the T-mobile upsell screen when trying to access internet on my Jolla. How do I get past it?
salyavin
2014-06-10, 04:30
I understand an update is out that enables 4G and a Canadian has got off 2g to 4g any word on frequencies and if they work on US carriers
Shadwblade2652
2014-06-10, 05:17
I understand an update is out that enables 4G and a Canadian has got off 2g to 4g any word on frequencies and if they work on US carriers
I thought it had to do with the built in radio rather than the software? Isn't the radio only European frequency compatible?
rainisto
2014-06-10, 05:21
I understand an update is out that enables 4G and a Canadian has got off 2g to 4g any word on frequencies and if they work on US carriers
Ths was already answered 6 months ago. But anyways:
LTE: Bands 3 (1800 MHz), 7 (2600 MHz), 20 (800 MHz)
So no luck with US carriers. Better luck in Canada :)
http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/01/lte-4g-supported-countries-and.html
Anyone got a GiffGaff (Telefonica O2) 4G SIM on her Jolla phone and has 4G?
I don't seem to be able to use 4G.
Ths was already answered 6 months ago. But anyways:
LTE: Bands 3 (1800 MHz), 7 (2600 MHz), 20 (800 MHz)
So no luck with US carriers. Better luck in Canada :)
http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/01/lte-4g-supported-countries-and.html
According to memo Sprint has 800 MHz but different band id. So probably will not work but you never know. Anybody try it?
klinglerware
2014-06-10, 13:37
According to memo Sprint has 800 MHz but different band id. So probably will not work but you never know. Anybody try it?
Probably a non-starter. Sprint is a CDMA carrier where you are restricted to the devices they offer. I don't think GSM telephony will work on their network.
Is there any update on this unfortunate situation for us want to be American sailors?
Did the recent update bring any working LTE bands to the US?
Is there any update on this unfortunate situation for us want to be American sailors?
Did the recent update bring any working LTE bands to the US?
updates to software/firmware will not and cannot make the jolla work in the US. the radio itself doesnt support ANY 3g or LTE frequencies that ANY carrier supports in the US. {definitely not tmobile, at&t, sprint, verizon, or any of their various resellers}
in short, the jolla phone will *never work* in the united states. wait until they release jolla 2, or move to canada {or better yet, europe}.
EDIT: by 'never work', i mean 'never work with greater than 2g networking'. if you just want it to make calls and use wifi, youre all set. also, if the carriers decide to change infrastructure over the next 20 years, maybe it will work then.
If you are not afraid of being considered as a person with "highly conspiratorial behaviour" because of owning NSA-not-yet-approved hardware with spyware-backdoor-free OS, then you're good to go.
Can this thread be changed to: can the jolla Phone EVER be used in the United states?
Can this thread be changed to: can the jolla Phone EVER be used in the United states?
sure! and while we're at it, we can just replace the content of each post with "no"
If you are not afraid of being considered as a person with "highly conspiratorial behaviour" because of owning NSA-not-yet-approved hardware with spyware-backdoor-free OS, then you're good to go.
lol. I won't say this too loudly as you never know who is listening but there is a second conspiracy theory being quietly discussed amongst those members of the linux underground here in the US about the surprising absence of officially supported devices that behave as a proper linux distribution (i.e. N9 and Jolla phone)...
ste-phan
2014-06-16, 14:07
lol. I won't say this too loudly as you never know who is listening but there is a second conspiracy theory being quietly discussed amongst those members of the linux underground here in the US about the surprising absence of officially supported devices that behave as a proper linux distribution (i.e. N9 and Jolla phone)...
Yes surprising all that.
A US tech company's backing the cold daylight killing of the ultimate Linux-desktop-in-your-pocket-project being readied by Nokia (N900 being step 4 out of 5)
Declaring the N9, long delayed consumer Linux capacitive candy-bar touch version, a dead end at the very moment when even the most skeptical iPress journalist was enthusiastically previewing the N9.
Not a conspiracy, just smart business move.
Followed by purchasing of Skype, a former "supplier of integrated secure communications" in this Linux phone project and matching with Symbian. (2)
To match it not with Symbian and Linux in integrated preinstalls but instead with windows phone (throwing out the last remaining bits of data protection philosophy)
Finally tacking over the whole devaluated phone branch of Nokia.
Ending the hopes for a Nokia camera brand (Pureview) as an alternative to the expensive Leica lower end hipster gear - why we can't have a fresh approach to consumer camera's without counting on Japan?
As a bonus, killing Symbian and the Symbeose project (1) and saving the EU taxpayer's hard earned money money by using Android instead.
Pure coincidence if you ask me. :o
(1) "The SYMBEOSE initiative will develop new core platform capabilities, providing the best possible levels of power efficiency and improving Symbian’s current, market-leading offering in this area. This will be achieved by delivering fresh optimizations which harness the rapidly developing area of multi-core processing used in conjunction with new techniques in Asymmetrical Multiprocessing" Symbian Foundation....
The SYMBEOSE project is being led by a consortium of mobile device manufacturers, hardware and service integration professional services, major consumer electronics companies, mobile network operators, application developers, universities and research institutions.
(2) 2009, BARCELONA, Spain – Nokia and Skype announced plans this morning to fully integrate Skype into select Nokia devices. Kicking off with the Nokia N97, Skype will be part of the address book in the device, enable users to easily see when their Skype contacts are online. It’ll also enable them to use 3G and WiFi to make and receive free Skype to Skype voice calls.
ste-phan
2014-06-16, 14:14
Maybe it is better for its development that the device is deemed unusable in the US.
it's not too smart to kick the hounds while they are still devouring their pray. Jolla may choose it's moment better to serve the US market.
I promise that I won't complain of having to suffer 2G when traveling in the US :)
mind_the_gap
2014-06-16, 15:16
I am wondering whether one could attach some USB 3G or 4G modem to the Jolla phone to make it work in situations where one needs it in the US. Does anyone know?
I am wondering whether one could attach some USB 3G or 4G modem to the Jolla phone to make it work in situations where one needs it in the US. Does anyone know?
Some folks have mentioned using a wifi hotspot with the Jolla phone.
At one point I was considering getting a tablet with LTE and tethering off that. So I would use a combo tablet and jolla phone but at this point I don't think the jolla phone, despite really liking some of its features, is far enough for me to use as a daily drive. Plus I really need a bigger screen for browsing. Guess I've been spoiled by the GN3. Hopefully the next Jolla phone will be better compatible with US providers.
salyavin
2014-06-24, 05:19
lol. I won't say this too loudly as you never know who is listening but there is a second conspiracy theory being quietly discussed amongst those members of the linux underground here in the US about the surprising absence of officially supported devices that behave as a proper linux distribution (i.e. N9 and Jolla phone)...
Well supposedly T-Mobile and perhaps Verizon will official support Ubuntu phone in the US later this year.
I'll believe that when I see it, some massive co's have struggled to get those 2 US carriers on-board...
Canonical's a minnow compared to any of them, Mark will have spun some amazing crap if he's managed that.
I'll believe that when I see it, some massive co's have struggled to get those 2 US carriers on-board...
Canonical's a minnow compared to any of them, Mark will have spun some amazing crap if he's managed that.
Mark has been in space. Do I have to say more?
Nevermind, didnt notice that :P
So 3G on Jolla wont work on a Tmobile network ?
there is no LTE in north america that will work on jolla, and no 3g in the united states. {canada is maybe possible now with 3g, but probably not}
Why not just try Sailfish on another device like a Nexus 4/5? At least then you will get 3G data. I'm dual booting a custom Android build (based on CM11) and Sailfish on my Nexus 5. So far it has been working out pretty well!
salyavin
2014-10-24, 02:55
Why not just try Sailfish on another device like a Nexus 4/5? At least then you will get 3G data. I'm dual booting a custom Android build (based on CM11) and Sailfish on my Nexus 5. So far it has been working out pretty well!
Because so far as far as I know Sailfish does not support all major hardware of any phone but the Jolla. For example the camera does not work on your Nexus. Unless the wiki is out of date that is. I'm hoping eventually one can make calls, use GPS, bluetooth and take pictures.
How are upgrades, no OTA upgrades I suspect do you lose any settings etc. when you flash?
Because so far as far as I know Sailfish does not support all major hardware of any phone but the Jolla. For example the camera does not work on your Nexus. Unless the wiki is out of date that is. I'm hoping eventually one can make calls, use GPS, bluetooth and take pictures.
How are upgrades, no OTA upgrades I suspect do you lose any settings etc. when you flash?
That's why he said "TRY it out". You dual-boot for a reason. When you're done playing with Sailfish, you can boot back into Android. If you like Sailfish, then updates will come and improve the experience on Nexus.
Towards end of November I'll be traveling to the US. In case there's someone being interested in a Jolla phone, I could order one and bring it with me + send it from within US. Price would be €281.45 + delivery cost + 8% Swiss tax (excl. delivery costs in US). In case you have a discount code, that can be used as well of course.
If there's interest and/or you want to know why I would even do something like that ;-) contact me via private message (or here if necessary).
shortavion
2014-12-08, 16:44
I know this is anecdotal but I asked on a different site about using the Jolla Phone in the US. T-Mobile was the carrier used.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8630561
heh, i like how one person on that forum KNOWS that the response is factually incorrect but decides to believe anyway.
in case you were considering believing it, 2g will work. 3g and LTE wiill not. {MMS does not require 3g data}.
also, some carriers have plans to abandon 2g in the US sometime next year, so not even that will necessarily work for long.
salyavin
2014-12-12, 00:53
I have personally tried a Jolla phone on US T-Mobile and confirm 2G only. As we have rehashed over and over you can only get 2G in the US with that phone. Yes N9 had a pentaband that got 3g any country I went. Yes N900 worked on T-mobile US at 3G but no go on Jolla. You will have to bug Jolla about that for their next phone please vote here https://together.jolla.com/question/66007/request-use-a-universal-lte-modem-in-the-second-jolla-handset/
In Jolla's defence universal LTE modems were not readily available when they were designing the first phone.
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