Nokia Should Not Acquire Jolla

[railroadmaster]

Many have suggested that if Nokia were to return to phones that they would acquire Jolla, in my view Nokia acquiring Jolla would be a bad idea. In my view part of the advantage that Jolla has is that it is small enough to be nimble and flexible. Jolla isn't hindered by the largess, lack of focus, and bureaucracy the is found in large companies like Nokia. Ari Jaaski described Nokia' bureaucracy a "Soviet-like". Jolla has also created something unique and different than what Nokia offered. Being part of Nokia is also a large part of what hindered the Maemo/Meego team, the team willingly left for a reason. Nokia and Jolla also have different corporate cultures, something that is very important to consider. Jolla can offer something different while still reaching mainstream sales channels and not being super niche or small quantity like the Openpandora, an advantage similar to Archos or Meizu.
If Jolla were to become part of Nokia then Jolla should retain a high degree of independence and leverage certain Nokia assets like the brand and intellectual property. Another option would be joint partnership similar to the former Sony-Ericsson partnership.
I think Jolla is best as it currently is and should remain unlike.

[pichlo]

I don't know if it's true but I've been told that Nokia's bureaucracy went so far that if you wanted your PC moved from the left side of the desk to the right, you were not allolwed to do it yourself, you had to raise an IT department ticket to do it for you. Such a company deserves to die. Sorry, Nokia.

[youmeego]

Nokia is a cheap brand now without pureview.

[JulmaHerra]

I rememeber one occurrence back in time when I had just received my N900. A friend of mine was recruited to Nokia and if I remember correct, he waited for two weeks to just get his credentials to his computer. We all know the company was bloated back then. However, Nokia nowadays is different. NSN has been honing the organization for years, way before such thing was done in Nokia's devices-department. And now that the slimmed down devices was sold to Microsoft, Nokia is more agile and I believe it has a future. However, there's not much point in acquiring Jolla. The company ethos is so different between them and also, Nokia doesn't need to own a company to have profitable cooperation. This is effectively what Jolla has been doing from the beginning - cooperation and partnering instead of buying or doing everything in-house. I believe this method allows more innovation because there is more incentive for other companies to do things.

[Kangal]

Nah, not again.

I was going to recommend Palm or RIM, but one has been dissolved and the other is a ship on fire.

-Samsung would obviously screw Jolla like the way they do to Android (Touch Jizz fiasco). They don't even want their own OS; Bada and Tizen.
-Apple, out of the question.

So who's left in the phone and computer business?
-Lenovo.... that could be interesting.
-LG.... I see some potential
-HTC... nah
-SONY... they lost their computer segment, are managing their PlayStation OS, phones not doing too well
-Xiaomi.... dunno

[ste-phan]

Phrases like the slimmed down Nokia has a future don't mean anything for me as the future I am interested they have mostly thrown away.
I can't buy the device I love the most (Linux + Pureview) while supporting the future of thousands of employees of which a reasonable part are locally employed in Finland (home base country)

I use the Nokia Here Maps but I suspect that I am the product, not like in the old days where it was the key functionality of a flagship phone.

Hope they get some cash out their new key activities being it Here maps or wearable smart rubber boots that display burned calories, inside humidity and outside ground sample analysis on the fly and make it flow to Jolla unconditionally.

That's the least they can do.

[NokiaFanatic]

People need to forget about Nokia and Jolla joining forces. First of all, other than a brand, Nokia have nothing that Jolla need. In the grand scheme of mobile, HERE maps is barely even relevant in the mapping/location sphere and all Nokia's HW/SW expertise has been sacked or moved to MSFT. The fact that their new tablet is being made by another company and features another company's OS makes this abundantly clear. The second thing that makes collaboration difficult is the fact that Nokia and Jolla have now become competitors. Both are selling a very similarly specced tablet at around the same time at the same price point.

I think a more likely scenario over the next year would be for Jolla to collaborate with the likes of Meizu, Xiaomi or one of the Indian mobile companies to have them make a device that runs Sailfish. China and India are huge markets and the Jolla senior leadership have been clear they want a piece of that pie. The best way for Jolla to make that kind of break through would be by partnering with a local manufacturer.

[juiceme]

I don't know if it's true but I've been told that Nokia's bureaucracy went so far that if you wanted your PC moved from the left side of the desk to the right, you were not allolwed to do it yourself, you had to raise an IT department ticket to do it for you. Such a company deserves to die. Sorry, Nokia.

Really! :)
If such company does exist I sure agree with you, there's no hope whatsoever in that kind of envirnment! :D

[JulmaHerra]

People need to forget about Nokia and Jolla joining forces. First of all, other than a brand, Nokia have nothing that Jolla need.

Ahem.... how about pile of cash, HERE maps, boatload of patents... ;)

There is much that could contribute to Jolla and Sailfish. Otherwise, such merger doesn't really make sense. Nokia is not willing to build another device manufacturing operation anymore and if they want to use Sailfish for something, they can do it without acquisition.

The second thing that makes collaboration difficult is the fact that Nokia and Jolla have now become competitors. Both are selling a very similarly specced tablet at around the same time at the same price point.

Not directly. Jolla designs and creates devices. Nokia just licenses it's brand and lets the other manufacturers compete while collecting some profit without operational risk. For Nokia it doesn't really matter even if some manufacturer wanted to create Nokia branded device using Sailfish OS.

I think a more likely scenario over the next year would be for Jolla to collaborate with the likes of Meizu, Xiaomi or one of the Indian mobile companies to have them make a device that runs Sailfish.

Most likely yes. In addition to perhaps some smaller players who simply need a device without NSA-enabled OS.

[ste-phan]

Ahem.... how about pile of cash, HERE maps, boatload of patents... ;)


Interesting surely. All could flow to Jolla in a one way no strings attached direction as part of a favorable Here partner contract.

As far as patents go: if it could be only so simple as incentive "not to sue". Like with marihuana for own use. Or just provide them for free.
It would leave the job of exposing Jolla's infringement of Nokia patents and to start crying "unfair" about it to a third party.

If they were to merge, what about Microsoft starting to sue Nokia and Jolla after discovering their WP os platform is still on fire?


Really! :)
If such company does exist I sure agree with you, there's no hope whatsoever in that kind of envirnment! :D


Agree and likewise there's no hope for a company where only those employee's are left that don't dare to move their PC from the left to the right side of the desk and back as they please.

Kinda explains how Elop could get an audience that would not scold him gathered for his "leaked to blogosphere" internal Lumia video the days after N9 came out.

Hopefully the smart frogs have jumped the kooking pot in time and or now brooding eggs at Jolla!

[strongm]

Nokia is a cheap brand now without pureview.


To be honest, PureView had become a brand name rather than a specific technology. Microsoft may own that brand name (and one suspects inevitably dilute it ), but that doesn't necessarily stop Nokia producing advanced mobile camera tech.

[ste-phan]

To be honest, PureView had become a brand name rather than a specific technology. Microsoft may own that brand name (and one suspects inevitably dilute it ), but that doesn't necessarily stop Nokia producing advanced mobile camera tech.

That's what we hope when we see a black box labeled: Nokia up to something.

Pureview became a brand-name (set of imaging experience enhancing tech blah marketingblah) under MS rule to quickly explain the setbacks in quality and lack of mega large sensor in the first "Pureview" enabled Lumia's.

The core Pureview feature (pixel oversampling) might still be out of Nokia's reach and in the progress of becoming irrelevant in Microsofts morgue of unwanted irritating tech that stand in our way to shape the world.
It took years to develop it, it was a great idea but since 2012 nothing significant has been done with the technology.

Soon also the 1020 Lumia may become a last vintage Pureview camera phone.
Maybe Nokia will revive it after 2016?

Edit: Pureview Whitepaper version 2 (MS apologetic version) https://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf :mad:

[pagis]

It is important that Jolla stays independent, one of the core assets of Jolla is this community.

Nokia did some good things in the past, but at the end they behaved like a typical corporation, the N900 and N9 abandoning are good examples.

[NokiaFanatic]

Soon also the 1020 Lumia may become a last vintage Pureview camera phone.
Maybe Nokia will revive it after 2016?

Another thing people need to forget about - Pureview the brand, and the underlying technology.

Microsoft own the Pureview brand, all the technology and most of the expertise. I believe that Apple were able to scoop up a few employees who did not want to transfer to Microsoft.

It is impossible for Nokia to revive over 10 years of knowledge and expertise in imaging! Sorry, but those are the facts!

[juiceme]

Agree and likewise there's no hope for a company where only those employee's are left that don't dare to move their PC from the left to the right side of the desk and back as they please.

Kinda explains how Elop could get an audience that would not scold him gathered for his "leaked to blogosphere" internal Lumia video the days after N9 came out.

Hopefully the smart frogs have jumped the kooking pot in time and or now brooding eggs at Jolla!

mmh, I was actually being sarcastic here.
There exist no such company as @pichlo described, and never did AFAIK.

[pichlo]

There exist no such company as @pichlo described, and never did AFAIK.

Hence my, "I don't know if it's true" :)

Besides, how can you be so sure? Maybe Nokia is/was not such a company, but how do you know there isn't one somewhere?

[Tigerroast]

Jolla can offer something different while still reaching mainstream sales channels and not being super niche or small quantity like the Openpandora, [...]

Not to be the one to nitpick, but reaching the mainstream and being niche are exactly what the Jolla doesn't do (at this time) and is, respectively.

Is there a significant number of people here that would rather see Jolla make another Samsung Soapbox than chart out their own blue ocean (you know, to "be unlike")? Sure. I can't blame them; it would be nice to be one of the people that helped a grassroots project that's like the big boys' go to the moon alongside the big boys. However, that's a tad dangerous; you don't see the Ouya trying to compete with Nintendo or Sony consoles (for one reason or another).

Do they have the potential to possibly reach the mainstream? Sure. Do they have a sure shot at it? With their (current) culture, absolutely not. People are interested in marked-up, Foxconn-made phones that have the power to replace their computer, yet they still choose to use their computer. People like that aren't interested in "being unlike." Rather, it's much the opposite. They don't care that their OS is open-source and backed by a company who won't sell their info to an iron-fisted cyber-security government agency. They don't care about TOH. Seeing as though people are more inclined to go with what's familiar, I can't see that ever changing.

The Jolla and Open Pandora are apples and oranges, and putting them in the same sentence to contrast them is grossly unfair to both devices. The Jolla is a really niche device in the world of smartphones. The Open Pandora is a niche device in of itself; I've never heard of something before it that developed a niche within a niche, then expand on that niche.

Unless Jolla makes an Apple Candybar for their next device, starts pulling a Canonical on its (rather small) userbase, and starts getting into a million partnerships to put their device (with mainstream appeal) into as many shops as possible, Jolla will always be a humble, independant company with a cool device and a supportive community. All things considered, that's, IMNSHO, for the better.

[kapu2]

I don't understand why people think Nokia are interested in Jolla in the first place. Because Nokia created the N9 and swipe UI, which Jolla (sort of) continued? The company that produced that OS and product no longer exists. Nokia sold its mobile phones division and its mobile phone division employees. Not to mention, those employees then went on to work on Windows Phone. The employees who were unhappy with the switch from Symbian/Maemo left the company. So I ask, who in this company is still around from the Meego/Maemo days? I can give you a list of people who are not, because they are now part of Jolla.

This isn't 2011. It's nearly 2015. Nokia of today is producing Android software and branding hardware running that software. They are not about to swoop in and make more products akin to the ones they abandoned. It would be great if people could quit dreaming this will happen.

[benny1967]

One of these days, Jolla will buy Nokia (or whats left of it) to gain access to a patent or two... :D :D :p

[ste-phan]

mmh, I was actually being sarcastic here.
There exist no such company as @pichlo described, and never did AFAIK.

Sarcasm is the only way to discuss about this painful subject. I was using the same method to refer to those Nokia employees siting on their *** waiting for Elop to pull the chair from under it and make them kill their babies.

Respect to those few that have opened their mouth to speak out during those burning platform (how dared he use that metaphor while there was this terrible corp greed induced disaster by BP still ongoing) and internal Lumia speech to "leak" notes but now I can only hope that the fighters went to Jolla and won't quit till its 2010 again.

About Pureview ore equivalent gone forever: I really would like to know: was it not said that Nokia could make phones if they wanted after 2016?

I'd rather see them make smartcamera's that can call but if it means they have to start from scratch all over I think they are going to be late to the game indeed.
Might be that they had their next in line concepts at hand waiting for new lens / sensor / CPU options tech to arrive.

One of the lead Pureviewers went to Apple indeed so we may soon (in 3 years) see the iCam rise again.

[Paspie]

Nokia is the sick man of the mobile industry now, I don't see how buying Jolla would help them.

The two should be competitors imo. :)

[hhbbap]

I don't know if it's true but I've been told that Nokia's bureaucracy went so far that if you wanted your PC moved from the left side of the desk to the right, you were not allolwed to do it yourself, you had to raise an IT department ticket to do it for you. Such a company deserves to die. Sorry, Nokia.
Unless Nokia used self made experimental liquid cooling PCs.
:cool:

[abyzthomas]

Nokia is the sick man of the mobile industry now, I don't see how buying Jolla would help them.

The two should be competitors imo. :)

Nokia got sick because it went to bed with "Lumia". Should have used protection.

[crossimp]

I've seen a Nokia N1 tablet for 2015 release....presuming Microsoft deal does not hinder Nokia here too, would this not be a sensible place to concentrate their efforts..I've seen a Jolla tablet too, but that runs sailfish not android, nokia could use bigger screen and increased power and hardware specs of a tablet and make sailfish or it's follow up OS a real winner (obviously it would run any app from anyone via emulators or natively without question).... something you can do on a full blown computer too.....

[kureyon]

Hence my, "I don't know if it's true" :)

Besides, how can you be so sure? Maybe Nokia is/was not such a company, but how do you know there isn't one somewhere?

I wouldn't be surprised if there are such companies out there. With all these "health" and "safety" regulations if an employee moved a computer by themselves and broke their back they might sue the company for damages.

[Kangal]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are such companies out there. With all these "health" and "safety" regulations if an employee moved a computer by themselves and broke their back they might sue the company for damages.


That's why you finish off the employee then and there. Dump the body. Erase the files.

Play it safe people.

[m4r0v3r]

Jolla is still sleek, like the beginnings of Maemo OS, then Nokia actually took and interest and the bureaucracy ruined it. I'd rather Jolla stay and I hate this term but "Agile"