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railroadmaster
2017-01-08, 00:18
http://liliputing.com/2017/01/gpd-pocket-will-7-inch-touchscreen-laptop-windows-ubuntu-support.html
It looks like GPD has its own answer to the Graalphone. The GPD pocket has a physical keyboard and 7" screen. The GPD pocket is still in development and not a final product. I personally want slightly deeper pitch keys and the trackpoint moved.
I have huge hands - this would not be comfortable to type on at all.
Feathers McGraw
2017-01-08, 01:54
Looks nice, and decent enough specs to be actually useful.
7" is a bit too big to put in a pocket though, and if you're going to put it in a bag you can probably fit a "proper" laptop in there...
railroadmaster
2017-01-08, 01:59
7" definitely can fit in a pocket I have regularly carried 4:3 7.85" and 16:10 8.0" tablets in a pocket as well as vanilla 7" tablets in a pocket. It more depends on the type of pocket.
7" definitely can fit in a pocket I have regularly carried 4:3 7.85" and 16:10 8.0" tablets in a pocket as well as vanilla 7" tablets in a pocket. It more depends on the type of pocket.
Definitely not any blazer pocket I have. It does fit some chinos and jeans back pockets; but I won't be able to sit down comfortably.
I'm still stuck with the full-keyboard size attempt. Pyra's keyboard is small, but it's to be held and used with your thumbs mostly. Same for the N900 - I loved the N810's keyboard.
This is just looks like an uncomfortable size for a keyboard. But I don't mind being wrong.
railroadmaster
2017-01-08, 02:14
I think the keyboard is for thumb typing, at least that is what I'd use for it.
I think the keyboard is for thumb typing, at least that is what I'd use for it.
https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/gpd-pocket_03.jpg
Um... did you not see that pic with the guy with his hands on the keyboard? It may be how you may use it, but it's not how it's intended to be used.
It looks like it could accommodate two medium or small sized hands somewhat.
With that said, we'll find out when/if it arrives. I hope GPD fixes their QA issues (many complaints can be found out there with a very simple search).
I wonder...it's an Intel Atom processor. What's the feasibility of a SFOS port? Jolla Tablet is intel, right>
I love these 7" netbooks. I still have 2 eeepc's (700). They were very well built and I still use them with puppy Linux.
Small keyboard, but these netbooks are not used for long typing sessions anyway.
I am wondering how the capacitive touch screen will work instead of using a mouse. Resistive seems to be more suited for desktop use, but maybe it works with unity and plugins for the browser.
I will definitely not pre-order, but once launched and it has a fully working Linux install and depending on the price I might buy one.
If it will be available with docking station I am even more interested...
I wonder...it's an Intel Atom processor. What's the feasibility of a SFOS port? Jolla Tablet is intel, right>
It surely can be ported, but not sure if it's useful on a small laptop. What makes me wonder that some articles advertise Ubuntu 16.04 support besides Cherry Trail. If that's true, would be interesting to see how they fix Cherry Trail issues in mainline kernel.
Feathers McGraw
2017-01-08, 11:56
7" definitely can fit in a pocket I have regularly carried 4:3 7.85" and 16:10 8.0" tablets in a pocket as well as vanilla 7" tablets in a pocket. It more depends on the type of pocket.
Are you wearing cargo trousers or something? I have a Nexus 7 (2013) and I doubt I could fit that in any of my pockets, including large coat pockets. And it's thin, this will undoubtedly be thicker too.
I could fit my daughter's 8" tablet including the protective case in my jacket pocket. It surprised me, it did not seem a particularly large pocket. I suggest you try it instead of merely assuming.
Feathers McGraw
2017-01-08, 12:11
I suggest you try it instead of merely assuming.
Who's assuming now? I have tried it! :p
And as the reward of $2M goal. We will upgrade the original 5V 2.5A changer to the PD 2.0 Quick change protocol.It's power will be 25W-30W. So you may only need one hour or a little more can full changed the battery.
While not as nice as maxing out on the RAM capability of the Atom CPU, that would be a nice addition. They are at $1,964,533 right now, so $2M isn't too far fetched.
982% of the campain target right now – hopefully, this won't have too many negative consequences. No one scales perfectly.
lancewex
2017-03-06, 14:56
https://i0.wp.com/liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/gpd-pocket_03.jpg
Um... did you not see that pic with the guy with his hands on the keyboard?
Not that it probably matters, but I don't think those are a guy's hands.
I'd like to know why some pictures the keyboard looks grey, and others black. I'd prefer the lighter color, but looks like there's no choice offered.
I'd like to know why some pictures the keyboard looks grey, and others black. I'd prefer the lighter color, but looks like there's no choice offered.
My guess is that the pictures that are not rendered are all non-working dummy devices with the screen content shopped in (the mac has some mirroring going on in the glas, the gpd does not).
If you look closely, you'll see that the grey ones aren't even labeled at all. Also, they announced updated keyboard layouts in a later update, so they likely just 3d printed some dummy caps and had only grey filament lying around. :)
They are showing the first(?) 'real-ish' prototype in the latest update and it's screen seems to be held together by adhesive tape on one of the pictures.
Edit: I've persuaded the server to give me a slightly bigger version of the prototype pictures (http://imgur.com/a/0rGrJ).
Not that it probably matters, but I don't think those are a guy's hands.
Good catch.
I'd love to know just how big/small are some of you guys hands truly are because this want for a smaller device and/or something that seemingly doesn't fit into your pockets seems to be... well, odd.
Most men's pockets are somewhat standard and I used to carry my Nexus 7 in my back pockets without issue. Weirded me out the first time I did it - just sorta didn't think about it and in it went.
Weirded me out the first time I did it - just sorta didn't think about it and in it went.
Buttstuff, eh?:D
Buttstuff, eh?:D
I'll have to admit... I totally lol'd in the office. Now... how to explain this one without being a HR violation.
theonelaw
2017-03-07, 02:10
Not that it probably matters, but I don't think those are a guy's hands.
My wife's fingernail polish is almost that color.
epninety
2017-03-07, 10:30
Now funded 1000% $2M and still a month to go :)
There was an update, containing images (and a video) of the january prototype.
Here are the high-resolution versions of the pictures, not downscaled by indiegogo:
http://i.imgur.com/wSaPS8l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OKifkSX.jpg
theonelaw
2017-03-11, 02:55
There was an update, containing images (and a video) of the january prototype.
Here are the high-resolution versions of the pictures, not downscaled by indiegogo:
http://i.imgur.com/wSaPS8l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OKifkSX.jpg
Thanks heaps,
that clarifies something critical:
If the devs for this device began
with the primary initiative of making it work under linux,
making it work under windows would be like falling out of bed.
The photo seems to indicate that they are concerned with
making it work under win,
then 'fix' things as necessary
to get a linux version working.
Which,
as some of us have learned (the hard way) over the years,
never works for much more than a few fingers of hardware.
Sadly,
GPD will never be of much use as a linux host.
Which,
as some of us have learned (the hard way) over the years,
never works for much more than a few fingers of hardware.
Sadly,
GPD will never be of much use as a linux host.
I can't disagree completely, and I don't expect (for example) battery life on linux to match that on windows, as it's often the case. Also, they might completely screw up the touch screen drivers (I don't know about other components needing a driver). On the other hand, GPD stated that the board is basically an updated version of the GPD Win board, which they had experience with for quite a while. Provided they do really care, I really hope they'll be able to cater for more than 4.4 kernels (which is the only thing they confirmed), even if it'd be with a NVIDIA-like wrapper thing around closed blob(s), as they mentioned in a comment:
We will try to achieve that.However we can't promise.Because we need to consider the cost and it also relate to the intellectual property....
Let's say I'm just choosing to be a bit more optimistic. I've backed this thing and don't intend to put Windows on there, so staying optimistic the only healthy thing to do.
They did an update with a new link.
Since everyone clicked it (and the page isn't exactly optimized for… anything, really), their server went down, so the update was removed.
Now, the server seems to be back: http://www.gpd.hk/pocket.asp
There's pretty much no new info on there, presented with pretty horrible typography in images with lots of text, but I felt like sharing anyway.
Feathers McGraw
2017-03-14, 07:42
presented with pretty horrible typography in images with lots of text
Wow, you weren't joking! Why on earth would they do that?
The text is pretty awful too, so cringey how they keep talking about "womens' delicate fingers"!
Wow, you weren't joking! Why on earth would they do that?
Well, I know programmers in web agencies who don't care the least about user interfaces/front end, because it's simply not their job and obviously not their passion. I reckon it doesn't get better with hardware people without years of web experience. They seem to have one designer who isn't experienced with western typo and even less with web design – you can "export to html" with some graphics programs, after all.
On a lighter note: Have we mentioned that they'll throw in a glossy screen protector for every backer? :p
"China" and "legible websites" usually don't go in the same sentence. At least the Chinglish is kept to a minimum!
Edit: "A fashionable woman takes out a 7-inch laptop from her shoulder bag, with a cup of coffee put aside. She is drinking coffee […]" How is she drinking the coffee?!
"China" and "legible websites" usually don't go in the same sentence. At least the Chinglish is kept to a minimum!
I see it as a positive. They are techies and do not waste resources on marketing. Unlike Turing, for example. It may not be a guarantee but it is at least a hint that they may actually deliver.
I see it as a positive. They are techies and do not waste resources on marketing. Unlike Turing, for example. It may not be a guarantee but it is at least a hint that they may actually deliver.
I'd be more reassured if the money that didn't go into marketing goes into quality products and process.
theonelaw
2017-03-15, 05:13
I'd be more reassured if the money that didn't go into marketing goes into quality products and process.
There do exist some amazing things
that lack any credible marketing effort
Not sure why that happens,
but occasionally there are some really nice products to be found
if the time spent browsing the tech fairs is diligent.
I'd be more reassured if the money that didn't go into marketing goes into quality products and process.
In the absence of the proof to the contrary, I keep an open mind.
Moreover, in case of GPD, there is already a previous quality product in existence proving that they can deliver..
In the absence of the proof to the contrary, I keep an open mind.
Moreover, in case of GPD, there is already a previous quality product in existence proving that they can deliver..
Wait, you took my comment in the absolutely wrong direction. Allow me to clarify and then let's see if you say the same thing - which, you very well may!
With that said, it's not about GPD in regards to their overall fit and finish. It's when people say that a company is a "techy" company and do not invest into proper marketing; I rarely see how that pays off in the long-term in regards to their fit, finish and quality. It doesn't mean that there aren't companies out there that do not produce quality equipment without the majority of their budget being used for marketing; I just find it more fitting whenever a company actually invests into the device more than the marketing.
And unfortunately, "techy" companies tend to not to do so well in that one regard. Counter examples do exist; but my experience with GPD has been minimal yet not entirely favorable.
My reassurance would come from a company that actually ensures that we receive a well designed, thought out product that's not too dependent on the stock and supply of an OEM/ODM that just wants to get a product out of the door as soon and as fast as possible.
They've made a video of the current prototype they call "T1".
As far as I can tell, there's no 3D printed placeholders anymore and it looks nice enough. The demonstrated 4k video does look a bit (only a bit) stuttery, but good enough for my taste. Also, they demonstrate opening a 50MB photoshop file, which is the website we had a bit of fun about. Still no linux demonstration included.
I can't wait tasting that chocolate keyboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49o4yco9cyY
I must say, from a communication standpoint, it's one of the best crowdfunding projects I've seen (even if it's really mostly a pre-ordering kind of deal). Almost every backer comment is answered, and while there's an obvious language barrier, they really seem to try their best at answering.
I must say, from a communication standpoint, it's one of the best crowdfunding projects I've seen (even if it's really mostly a pre-ordering kind of deal). Almost every backer comment is answered, and while there's an obvious language barrier, they really seem to try their best at answering.
That was the same for the GPD Win, but the shipping was horrible gone wrong :rolleyes: people who ordered from other webshops, got their GPD's earlier, then any backer out there...
That was the same for the GPD Win, but the shipping was horrible gone wrong :rolleyes: people who ordered from other webshops, got their GPD's earlier, then any backer out there...
So... like Jolla the First One, isn't it? :p
railroadmaster
2017-04-16, 20:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFiJb6TERw
It lives!
theonelaw
2017-04-17, 03:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFiJb6TERw
It lives!
Watching him slide that into his jeans pocket was worth the view.
Try that with your 8inch tablets, haha!
You know... I actually am excited to see this thing come together nicely. I was quite skeptical, but it looks like a solid piece of kit.
Although... I wouldn't buy the Win10 version. This looks like a serious contender for a "pocket" Linux device first.
Although... I wouldn't buy the Win10 version. This looks like a serious contender for a "pocket" Linux device first.
I sincerely hope they haven't bit more than they can chew with that one – answering requests for videos showing the ubuntu version before the campain ends (which it has) went from "we hope to be able to" to "soon™" and "well, we'll at least ship them at the same time as the others".
Some people in the comments seem to have discovered upstream support for the intel graphics, at least. But there was no answer exactly which components need new drivers, to begin with.
That said, I'd be okay with manually rotating the screen (xrandr) as people on the GPD Win have done and the accelerometer wouldn't be essential for me, as well. I'd guess most other components will be quite standard and supported anyways.
I'd be okay with manually rotating the screen
Wait, rotating the screen? Are we talking about the same device? The one that looks like a mini laptop? Why on earth would anyone want to rotate the screen on that? :confused:
Wait, rotating the screen? Are we talking about the same device? The one that looks like a mini laptop? Why on earth would anyone want to rotate the screen on that? :confused:
At least the screen on the GPD Win seems to be "natively portrait", I just guessed it's the same here. In that case you'd need to rotate it to use it like a regular laptop. But I can see how this would be confusing without this explanation. :D
At least the screen on the GPD Win seems to be "natively portrait"
Really?! :eek:
I have no reason to doubt that information and I am happy to believe you especially if you have used one of those but I find it rather unexpected, if not downright shocking. All the pics I have seen are in landscape. There is a fixed keyboard attached permanently too the device. On hinges, not a slider, hence no way to turn the screen to portrait without a keyboard sticking awkwardly to the side. And finally, although I believe that Windows can be used in portrait, it would not be my first choice. "Natively portrait" is not what I would expect.
I haven't used one myself, just watched some (maybe a few more than "some") YouTube videos. The reason seems to be that the cheaply available screens used for this are actually made for tablets, which are mostly(?) portrait by design, just like their smaller phone siblings.
I'll just leave this here.
Thanks for comment. The Ubuntu version haven't finished now. It should can be finished in the beginning of May. Once it is finished. We will show the details to you all soon.
With shipping target of june, there's not a lot of time left. Past estimations for updates/videos in this campaign were at most one week late, IIRC, so I'm again (actually still) hopeful. ;)
If they cannot have a working port-of-ubuntu for the device when it is shipping, what's the backup plan?
Are they going to ship the devices with windoze and ask for people to hack up the linux version by themselves?
If they cannot have a working port-of-ubuntu for the device when it is shipping, what's the backup plan?
Are they going to ship the devices with windoze and ask for people to hack up the linux version by themselves?
Perhaps do what other vendors have done. Install FreeDOS and ship on time. Then allow the users to install Linux once complete.
I guess they'd adopt standard Indiegogo procedure of refunding half the backer's money next year and the other one whenever. ;)
Joking aside, I really see these options:
- Delay all shipments (not likely, but possible and within the scope of what's promised from the start).
- Break a promise and deliver the linux after the windows one.
- Break a bigger promise and deliver with windows (isn't the OEM license free for this screen size?) while finishing the linux "firmware" as they call it to reinstall later.
- Break a huge promise and just abandon all linux efforts, effectively also killing their credibility for further campaigns.
Edit:
But I hope we'll never find out. ;)
They've confirmed a slight delay today with Linux development in the comments – but if things go according to plan, it might just be a one week delay (depending on how one interprets "beginning of may") to "within the next two weeks":
I am sorry, the full firmware of Ubuntu haven't confirmed now. It should can be finished within this two week. Once it is finished,we will share the video to your all soon.
Not at all unsurprising and no real cause for concern yet.
Aaand another info-bump:
I just confirmed with our technical team. For the Ubuntu firmware,they are doing the final debug work now. We will share the update news or demonstration video very soon. Thanks so much for your patience.
So still in line with the last estimation.
epninety
2017-06-01, 12:35
Dear Backers
We will start to ship the GPD Pocket in early or middle of June.
Demo video----the Ubuntu system for GPD Pocket
Recently, the Ubuntu drive has almost been finished except the power section.
https://youtu.be/8te-pw2Pql8
Things are starting to come together it seems :D
theonelaw
2017-06-01, 19:31
Things are starting to come together it seems :D
I just discovered this, old news for some,
but news to me: :eek:
http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/17445.html
So now 10 weeks later I'm happy to report that after spending a lot of my spare time on kernel fixes I've it mostly working, specifically I've fixed the following things:
1) Brightness control
2) Wifi no longer working with recent kernels
3) Suspend/resume not working
4) Power and volume up/down buttons not working
5) System not waking up when opening the lid
6) Not charging when the power cable gets plugged in after boot
7) Only drawing max 0.5A from the charger, charging slowly if at all
8) Battery monitoring
And Takashi Iwai and Adrian Plazas have fixed:
9) Headphone jack detection
Described more at, as usual, arch :rolleyes:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPD_Win
(How is it Arch always has the solutions already written up?)
And the place I should have seen it before:
http://forum.gpd.hk/t98-improved-linux-support-for-the-gpdwin
theonelaw
2017-06-07, 06:32
According to the date stamps visible here (http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5150527243),
the production line for the Pocket seems to have begun in earnest
(as in ready for publicity photo sessions)
today ?
As usually may be expected,
qc inspections, boxing, softwaring and a trainload of other events
comprise the timing between now
and when people will actually begin to experience the units.
More info on getting linux may be guessed at by reading
the adventures of linux on the GPD WIN (http://boards.dingoonity.org/gpd-windows-devices/)
Looking hackable.
thecursedfly
2017-06-15, 08:06
A pretty good review of an actual production unit, touching on Linux compatibility (spoiler: not working well yet for him, issue with screen rotation, waiting for news from GPD who is still working on their Ubuntu units): https://youtu.be/Bbl9CXGwMLE
thecursedfly
2017-06-22, 17:21
A few comments on this device since I own one for 4 days now (Win10 firmware).
In general
The metal build of the device feels great, and all in all externally it feels like great build quality.
The keyboard is fine, and I have no issues with keys sensibility; the layout is a bit strange and takes time to get used to; my main issues seem to be the split spacebar and differently sized/spaced keys, such as Caps-A, Fn-Ctrl, tab backspace and numbers.
The mouse knob is actually pretty good, no big issues with it myself; also, it has a touchscreen, which is also pretty useful; not missing a trackpad much; and I use a wireless mouse often anyway.
They only released the Windows 10 firmware (I think it's a Windows image with integrated drivers) for now; Ubuntu firmware to come soon.
Issues
It has a fair amount of hardware and software issues already identified by the b̶e̶t̶a̶ ̶t̶e̶s̶t̶e̶r̶s users:
1. battery partially or completely detached on some units (apparently due to shipping; still, pretty weak?)
2. hal sensor not properly attached on some units (devices not sleeping with lid closed) which can be "fixed" by shipping the device back under warranty or disabling the sensor and using the power button to put it to sleep
3. some audio drivers issue where the 3.5mm connected devices give a crackling sound; partially solved by manually updating the drivers
4. some video issue some people get; solved by autoupdating the drivers in Windows
5. the various ports of some/most USB C hubs cannot be used while charging (hubs with charge-in port; on mine, the usb key gets disconnected when charging)
6. some reports of overheating CPUs under heavy load, and thus underclocking
Screen and size
The 1920x1200 resolution is pretty unusable on a 7" screen for normal usage; I get headache trying to use Windows at 100% dimensions; at 175-200% scaling it's much better.
The screen is beautiful for movies/pictures, the device is fast enough for its intended use and I believe it's a great on-the-road computer that can fit in a pocket (well, depends on the pocket...) or man bag
Gaming
With a SNES emulator and a cheap ebay controller I had, I can foresee some nice gaming sessions while traveling; those old games look quite good on the 7" screen
Gothic III, Titan Quest and Hearthstone also run well on the Pocket
Some older games are afflicted by a split screen issue; the right ~half stays black, perhaps due to the portrait screen being software rotated in landscape mode.
There are a couple of helpful communities, one on facebook and one on reddit; probably more that I didn't find yet.
Despite the issues mentioned, I still think that it's a very nice device; not perfect, but I'll get a lot of use out of it when traveling.
Looking forward to see how Ubuntu runs on it.
thecursedfly
2017-06-26, 17:21
For those who have the device and want to play with Linux installs before GPD provides a working image, here are some resources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GPDPocket/comments/6idnia/linux_on_gpd_pocket/
https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin
A few comments on this device since I own one for 4 days now (Win10 firmware).
...
In general, how well does thumb typing work on the GPD Pocket?
And how is the battery life?
thecursedfly
2017-07-25, 23:46
In general, how well does thumb typing work on the GPD Pocket?
And how is the battery life?
I don't use thumb typing, I'm usually using the keyboard as on a normal laptop. Also, I don't type much for my use cases, especially while traveling (my main usage for the Pocket). The keyboard is mostly fine, but takes some time to get used and I keep making typing mistakes every now and then, much more than on my 17" home laptop. But I used it on and off for just 3-4 weeks. In general, same issues with some weird/small keys as described earlier.
Battery life is quite good in my opinion, but that depends very much on usage, how it is measured, external temperature, tweaks, etc...
I did not make any real measurements, but on my last trip I watched 3 episodes of a tv serie (so cpu intensive task for 3 hours) and still had battery left; I think that for normal office usage it can last several hours. I don't believe though that it can reach the 12 hours duration that I sometimes read on the internet (not sure it if was initially advertised like that by GPD); perhaps if left untouched...
I don't use thumb typing, I'm usually using the keyboard as on a normal laptop.
But could you use it with thumb typing, or is the device too big for that?
One more question: their IndieGoGo comments page is littered with various complaints and it looks to me like the device is not quite finished... is your device affected by any of the problems mentioned there?
To be honest, I really liked the Pocket, but looking at what GPD is doing to their backers on IGG, I think it's very distasteful... :( Especially that they shipped to retailers earlier than backers (like Jolla did).
theonelaw
2017-08-17, 08:30
Even worse,
GPD seem to be trying to do somethings,
but they have some very disturbing tendencies.
As much as I appreciate Kim dotcoms travails,
his mega download service sets off every alarm bell in the room.
It is a gaping malware funnel ready for being taken over by anything that belches past.
And this is where GPD seems to host their
Ubuntu image updates
I visited to download and installing someone else' browser
extension just to handle a single download is inexcusable.
And the icing on the cake is they archived it in .rar format.
This trainwreck continues,
but I wish they would do something properly once in a while.
Although the Pocket probably does have warts and whatnot,
it is still a very real device and probably can be very useful.
If I were not traveling I would already have one.
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-17, 09:55
And the icing on the cake is they archived it in .rar format.
Wow, haven't seen anyone do that in years!
As much as I appreciate Kim dotcoms travails,
his mega download service sets off every alarm bell in the room.
MEGA isn't fom Kim Dotcom anymore, for years already....
I visited to download and installing someone else' browser extension just to handle a single download is inexcusable.
You don't need any extension to download from MEGA.
And the icing on the cake is they archived it in .rar format.
Wow, haven't seen anyone do that in years!
I still use it everyday, and I still find the . rar extension like 90% on the web?... I don't know where you guys hang out... Probably under a Jolla rock or something... :D :rolleyes:
I still find the . rar extension like 90% on the web?
Same here.
Maybe they were talking about the very narrow specific case of using it for package management? .. a quick look at the last few posts ... no, it was about distributing Ubuntu images. No idea what is supposed to be wrong with that.
From what I understand Mega is one of the best ways to store your content if you really need an external cloudservice; it is fast, scalable and encrypted. No need to bash a nice service like that :D
Of the rar format, I agree it is very rar-e, nowdays I find gz or xz are the most common...
the rar format, I agree it is very rar-e, nowdays I find gz or xz are the most common...
You and I clearly live on different planets*). I find it exactly the opposite.
*) You could just as well have said, "Of the Windows OS, I agree it is very rare, nowadays I find Unix or Linux are the most common." That may be the case in the small bubble you live in, but not globally ;)
@pichlo, you nailed it spot on!
I have to confess I know pitifully little of the current developments in the windoseland. In a way it is orthogonal to my life, something happening in "the other bubble universes" :D
I still kind of doubt what @HtheB said about rar being 90% of the web; if it was that ubiquous surely I'd bump into it more often? (can't remember when I last saw one...)
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-17, 12:26
I still use it everyday, and I still find the . rar extension like 90% on the web?... I don't know where you guys hang out... Probably under a Jolla rock or something... :D :rolleyes:
What kind of things are you downloading that are in rar files? Genuinely curious - the last time I saw one was about 10 years ago. I've never come across anyone sending a rar file professionally either, pretty sure if you emailed one most corporate antivirus systems would have a meltdown.
Then again if you bought a winrar license I guess you'd want to get your money's worth! :p
Although the Pocket probably does have warts and whatnot,
it is still a very real device and probably can be very useful.
If I were not traveling I would already have one.
What do you mean, if you weren't traveling?
I thought the whole point of the Pocket is to offer something for people who are traveling, so that they can get some work done on the go.
What kind of things are you downloading that are in rar files?
Movie/TV-seires subtitles are archived as .rar on many subtitle portals. Which is nowadays a bit funny, as one subtitle file (.srt) is about 50kB. So no need to compress them... Yep the real reason is to archive some advertisements with the subtitle file. But anyway, I see .rar archives quite often in subtitle files.
And the icing on the cake is they archived it in .rar format.What is the problem you see with using .rar format ? Doesn't the command unrar come preinstalled with most linux flavors ?
I agree that is not common, a quick survey of my world shows for images distribution:
* zip : Raspberry pi (I wouldn't have though of this one...)
* xz : BeagleBone, Odroid
* iso : Fedora, Ubuntu
* tar.bz2 : custom Yocto images
But if it can be easily opened, where is the problem, and which format would you prefer ?
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-18, 08:12
Movie/TV-seires subtitles are archived as .rar on many subtitle portals.
That explains it then, I rarely have to look up subtitle files because most things are in English anyway, apart from a few scandinavian dramas like The Bridge (Bron/Broen), which I am a big fan of!
What is the problem you see with using .rar format ? Doesn't the command unrar come preinstalled with most linux flavors ?
Not a practical problem but an ideological one - it's not an open format and unrar is technically not free software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_(file_format)).
Also, although it's not a practical problem (we can unpack it) why would you choose to use it when there are better supported (open format) alternatives with similar capabilities?
That explains it then, I rarely have to look up subtitle files because most things are in English anyway, apart from a few scandinavian dramas like The Bridge (Bron/Broen), which I am a big fan of!
We have a similar taste of drama series! lovely!
Not a practical problem but an ideological one - it's not an open format and unrar is technically not free software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_(file_format)).
Also, although it's not a practical problem (we can unpack it) why would you choose to use it when there are better supported (open format) alternatives with similar capabilities?
You are correct there; the only way world becomes a better place piece by piece is when we act out what we know is good.
This relates to both the software we use and the way we act in "the real life" :D
Also, although it's not a practical problem (we can unpack it) why would you choose to use it when there are better supported (open format) alternatives with similar capabilities?
It depends on the target audience. If I am packaging for the small number of geeks, I use .gz. If for the rest of the world, then either .zip or .rar.
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-18, 09:49
If for the rest of the world, then either .zip or .rar.
Yeah it was .zip I was thinking of. Everyone knows what a zip is and it's good enough for most jobs, I think fewer people would know what a rar is.
Yeah it was .zip I was thinking of. Everyone knows what a zip is and it's good enough for most jobs, I think fewer people would know what a rar is.
I must really be in a different world than all of you now. Zip, RAR, then Tar, GZip are what's in my world now. Past tense, yeah I supported mostly Linux servers when I did IT, but that's not where I am now as an UX person.
I think we're all tainting what the actual public uses by our very limited exposure to what the majority uses because a lot of us don't use Windows or Macs here, whereas that's where I'm solidly grounded now.
In my experience, .zip is more popular in Western Europe and North America, .rar in Central and Eastern Europe (not surprising given its origins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Roshal)).
I, living in the former but coming from the latter, am exposed to both about equally. OTOH, I have virtually no exposure to .tgz and friends except for in this small community :)
Not sure about Asia and RoW. Anyone here to testify?
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-18, 18:41
I have virtually no exposure to .tgz and friends except for in this small community
Yeah it's quite a linuxy/unixy thing, probably partly because a zip does everything in one step so it's "easier" whereas with tar you have to choose which compression method you want on top etc (basic tar just joins files into an archive without compression).
Zip is easier for non-technical people on the receiving end too, e.g. unzip foo.zip vs tar -xf foo.tar.gz (command is even more complicated with older versions of tar).
Interesting that use varies by country - that's one of the nice things about this forum, we've got members from all over and it's not dominated by one group e.g. 90% Americans so you tend to get a broader spectrum of opinion.
I must really be in a different world than all of you now. Zip, RAR, then Tar, GZip are what's in my world now. Past tense, yeah I supported mostly Linux servers when I did IT, but that's not where I am now as an UX person.
I think we're all tainting what the actual public uses by our very limited exposure to what the majority uses because a lot of us don't use Windows or Macs here, whereas that's where I'm solidly grounded now.
I know what you mean, but not all of us have jobs in the tech sector! :p
I wonder what the split is?
ajalkane
2017-08-18, 18:53
From what I understand Mega is one of the best ways to store your content if you really need an external cloudservice; it is fast, scalable and encrypted. No need to bash a nice service like that :D
Exactly. I feel people have unjustified prejudices against MEGA as cloud storage. They provide open source clients to Windows/Mac/Linux, and everything they store are strongly encrypted. And you can verify it by checking the source yourself if you want to.
How many of the other popular cloud storage services that people use without blinking an eye can say that?
Not a practical problem but an ideological one - it's not an open format and unrar is technically not free software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_(file_format)).Indeed, interesting point I didn't though before.
Thanks for the answer.
Has someone already received his GPD Pocket, Ubuntu version?
I'm eagerly waiting for mine :)
epninety
2017-08-18, 22:01
Also still waiting :( ... and still quite eager :o
Is the ubuntu version available now? If so please provide a link!
epninety
2017-08-18, 23:24
Is the ubuntu version available now? If so please provide a link!
From the last couple of IGG updates
"And we are start to ship the Ubuntu version GPD Pocket now, and will keep report the tracking information.  Much appreciated for all your great support and patience for us."
"For all of Ubuntu user,We have published the Source Code of the Ubuntu system. here is the link blow:
https://github.com/253647445/Pocket-Ubuntu-kernel
Anyone who wants the Source code of the Ubuntu system,Just click into the above link to get it,"
Not sure how much use the git is, with no history it would seem a bit of a faff to figure out what they changed.
fishsoupisgood
2017-08-24, 07:39
I unpicked it here: https://github.com/gpd-pocket-hacker/linux
but it's not the kernel the device shipped with - the fan spins in S3 for example because the fan driver has no power management. I expect you'd do better with Hans de Goede's kernels as he is doing active development on the platform.
epninety
2017-08-25, 09:21
Finally got a tracking number from GPD :D:D:D
Cue several days of anxiously checking the tracking website, and trying to brace myself for the inevitable disappointment when it finally arrives (which may vary from 'its broken' to 'its almost perfect, but Chens qwerty device will be better', but is always present) :o
theonelaw
2017-08-26, 06:55
... brace myself for the inevitable disappointment when it finally arrives...
:o
Perhaps this should be its own thread,
but from those of us
who have down 'been there done that' disappointment road
may be able to cushion the blow.
(Not just me - I am certain there are other insights as well.)
No matter how useless it may seem when you get it unboxed,
always remember there will always be a few use cases for
such a device in the event it ends up far downstream from perfect.
Case 1 - usable obscurity
My Ubuntu phone, for instance:
Quite useful as being a giant combo
USB stick,
a micro-SD chip reader,
No one who picks it up has a single clue as to what to do with it.
Being "being dumb as a brick" it is safe from being
hacked by the dweebs who do that sort of thing,
since the front-end is so unreliable I can safely assume
the back-end is probably broken for doing things like
spying through the camera or the sporadically working microphone.
Now that updates have ceased,
I no longer worry about breakage by update.
It does take fotos, phone calls and texting
and for all that I still take it with me on trips.
Case 2 - torment someone with its unusability
After a couple of years of head-slamming an AIGO MID device
that would simply never work using linux,
I gave it to a relative who thought that because it would boot to a pretty screen that it would be useful.
I still get a laugh out of fantasizing how much time and electricity he may have put into trying to use it.
Case 3 - "Just for Laughs"®
leave it out somewhere in public and foto someone steal it,
then report it missing with full fotos of who did it.
I did this with an old Acer computer - on a barstool,
(but did not report it, it was an inside joke that turned out well)
- we all shared a laugh and a beer
over the culprit who never showed his face at the venue again.
Case 4 - dedicated wired-in-place server
I did this with one of my older tablets.
It now streams music, and runs a few server softwares
to provide local services for things like i2p and other things...
Since the battery was a nogo,
and the hardware was no longer something to brag about,
it became useful as a background device and does not need
the kind of inbuilt device drivers we are all looking for.
Simply pasting a Bluetooth or other dongle in place it works well.
This is a success story that took a couple of years to get to.
The bottom line is that once you abandon hope of using
such hardware as a mobile,
it has great potential for helping out from a fixed location.
Case 5 - the GPD device
is probably not that hopeless,
and the only limitation will be getting device drivers to work.
to put it all in perspective, unless it comes bricked,
there is almost no way it can be that bad.
...I sincerely hope
epninety
2017-08-26, 09:03
In case 1, my Ubuntu phone is now the workshop camera, as if it dies drowned in a bucket of old axle oil, who cares?
In case 2, maybe I should resurrect my OQO Model 01? Always wanted to think of a use for that.
In case 4, even my Toshiba Libretto 70 still finds occasional use. When the obsolete config software for some obsolete hardware drives the parallel port directly from DOS, no VM is going to help.
I don't think (hope!) the GPD is destined for any such fate any time soon!
epninety
2017-08-29, 11:29
GPD Pocket arrived this morning :D:D:D
Haven't had much chance to play yet, but checked out the hardware and everything appears to work as advertised.
Supplied USB-C adapter is cute but useless, as others have complained about on IGG.
Supplied mains charger is not uk or euro, so will be getting modded very shortly, and an amazon order looks likely.
Build quality seems great, keyboard is more 'roomy' than I expected, certainly more suited to two thumbs than ten fingers, but I like it.
Going to mod the charger, then try to put Mint on it with the modded kernels mentioned earlier.
DHL charged me 41 UKP for tax and handling fees.
Happy to answer questions if anyone wants to know anything specific
Feathers McGraw
2017-08-29, 11:38
Happy to answer questions if anyone wants to know anything specific
Photos highlighting anything you find interesting/noteworthy would be nice!
Photos highlighting anything you find interesting/noteworthy would be nice!
Especially close up shot of the hinges would be interesting to me!
Do they feel solid built?
Build quality seems great, keyboard is more 'roomy' than I expected, certainly more suited to two thumbs than ten fingers, but I like it.
Give it some time and practice, I have seen complaints by so many people that just received it, but you should be able to touchtype pretty fast on it after a bit of practice. At least a lot faster than thumbtyping.
How does it compare in build quality to other devices that you own and praise for their workmanship?
epninety
2017-08-29, 14:29
Especially close up shot of the hinges would be interesting to me!
Do they feel solid built?
Hard to show much of the hinges as there's not much to see.
It feels solid, you can open/shut the screen by one corner without feeling you are twisting the chassis.
Having a usb port directly under the power key seems 'odd' somehow, like there shouldn't really be enough space there for it there ;)
Modified the PSU in a thoroughly un-H&S way, and installed Mint lxde from the usb image I prepped yesterday. Install was quick and effortless, almost everything seems to work out of the box... only a couple of small tweaks required :-
1) lockscreen always comes up rotated 90. There must be some way to override that, but it's not really an issue.
2) Need to tweak the UI to get larger fonts and scrollbars - haven't had chance to look around much - I'm supposed to be working :o
3) I sit with a window behind me - the screen is way too shiny for this situation. A matte screen protector might be a good idea here.
Oh, and no sound out yet, though it thinks it working so probably wrongly configured. Suspect its the same issue with sound on my work Dell 5404 laptop - it does work when set up, but I haven't managed to make the config survive reboot. Never spent any time on it, I rarely need sound.
Oh, and no sound out yet, though it thinks it working so probably wrongly configured.
Curious about the sound crackling issue that has been reported. Especially if it is very annoying and makes watching video unpleasant.
Still haven't installed a Linux distro on mine, but planning to once I have seen some more positive reports.
BTW. Did you use https://www.reddit.com/r/GPDPocket/comments/6vy775/project_provide_ready_to_use_xubuntu_images ?
epninety
2017-08-29, 15:52
I used the scripts at https://github.com/cawilliamson/ansible-gpdpocket just in time for them to become out of date!
edit : Just re-installed using Mint Cinnamon from the link t-b sent. Install just as painless as before, sound works without needing me to fettle it, and the password prompt rotation is correct. Under System Settings->Preferences->General set the desktop scaling to 'Double (Hi-DPI)' and the desktop settings are near perfect. :D
epninety
2017-08-30, 09:09
Curious about the sound crackling issue that has been reported. Especially if it is very annoying and makes watching video unpleasant.
Crackling audio is definitely an issue, based on trying a couple of videos last night, and also the audio from my SDR receiver via its web interface.
I haven't noticed it on the built in system sounds, so not sure where it might arise from.
endsormeans
2017-08-30, 09:47
Try the headphone jack with either headphones or external speakers and see if the audio crackle thus disappears .
the onboard speakers may be the issue here...
If so..that is well...bearable...
and circumnavigate-able ....
Crackling audio is definitely an issue, based on trying a couple of videos last night, and also the audio from my SDR receiver via its web interface.
I haven't noticed it on the built in system sounds, so not sure where it might arise from.
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196351
epninety
2017-08-30, 21:07
How does it compare in build quality to other devices that you own and praise for their workmanship?
Sorry, I missed relying to this one yesterday, so now replying from the GPDPocket.
The metal case feels very solid, with no 'give' and no squeeks or groans. The lid shuts firmly with spring pressure, and is very close and parallel to the keyboard. Material finish is excellent, though I would have liked a black option.
The screen is bright and evenly illuminated. Minimum brightness available is higher than I would like (too high for night time in-car use for example). I could measure screen brightness if anyone wants real figures. Contrast and colour range seems ok./ It may be much better than 'ok' but it's not the sort of thing I take much notice of - I have certainly seen worse on low cost tablets.
The keyboard layout takes a little getting used to, like many small devices. The keys seem a little 'tippy' like they might jam if not hit in the centre, but they certainly do not ever stick. The spacebar sections feel soft if hit near the middle, for the same reason, but thats the worst I can say for it. I have a new Dell rugged laptop that cost around 10x the price, and the keyboard on that is certainly not 10x better, maybe 2x on a good day.
Putting a simple metal case on a small device will always tend to make it feel rugged, as it doesn't take much metal to make it very much more rigid, but this feels more like a cf-19 Toughbook than the typical budget laptop. It reminds me of a Fujitsu P7010 I used to own - if you've ever used one of those, I think thats high praise indeed.
(And through typing this and a little surfing, the case has remained only very slightly warm to the touch).
edit: Wifi range is not as good as some, marginally worse than my laptop or JollaC, but the difference is not large. I've not checked BT range but it certainly connected without an issue to the couple of devices I tried (inc the JollaC)
GPD Pocket arrived this morning :D:D:D
Haven't had much chance to play yet, but checked out the hardware and everything appears to work as advertised.
Supplied USB-C adapter is cute but useless, as others have complained about on IGG.
Supplied mains charger is not uk or euro, so will be getting modded very shortly, and an amazon order looks likely.
Build quality seems great, keyboard is more 'roomy' than I expected, certainly more suited to two thumbs than ten fingers, but I like it.
Going to mod the charger, then try to put Mint on it with the modded kernels mentioned earlier.
DHL charged me 41 UKP for tax and handling fees.
Happy to answer questions if anyone wants to know anything specific
Hey there, I got mine recently too, (Ubuntu version) It boots up ok but the screen is rotated 90 deg, did yours come like that? I tried adding a line to grub but didn't work. Any ideas?
Ta, J
Regarding the rotated screen, there is a parameter in the settings for that. I do not know if it's the proper way to do it (have to check if it stay after a reboot), it's my first linux machine :)
For the main charger, just bought a cheap adapter, like this one (https://www.amazon.fr/Adaptateurs-secteur-%C3%A9lectrique-Europe-France/dp/B00KFIY4G8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504156483&sr=1-1&keywords=adaptateur+chine+europe).
I like this small piece of tech, build quality is very good.
Regarding the rotated screen, there is a parameter in the settings for that. I do not know if it's the proper way to do it (have to check if it stay after a reboot), it's my first linux machine :)
For the main charger, just bought a cheap adapter, like this one (https://www.amazon.fr/Adaptateurs-secteur-%C3%A9lectrique-Europe-France/dp/B00KFIY4G8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504156483&sr=1-1&keywords=adaptateur+chine+europe).
I like this small piece of tech, build quality is very good.
Of course! Yep that seems to work! Doh
epninety
2017-08-31, 14:40
For the main charger, just bought a cheap adapter, like this one (https://www.amazon.fr/Adaptateurs-secteur-%C3%A9lectrique-Europe-France/dp/B00KFIY4G8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504156483&sr=1-1&keywords=adaptateur+chine+europe).
For UK residents, I bought this (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Charger-AC-100X-Huawei-devices/dp/B01M7NZZLQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504190133&sr=1-1&keywords=ac-100X) from Amazon, which arrived this morning. Claims to be genuine Microsoft manufacture, seems to be of decent quality (high quality feeling plastics and finish), and manages to charge the GPD while it is playing a 4mbit H264 stream in vlc. :)
Sadly the USB-C hub / lan adapter I bought isn't recognised at all in linux - nothing shows up in dmesg or lsusb. (CableMatter 201048). I can settle for regular USB-LAN but then I need to add a hub to use external storage for datalogging from Wireshark.
For UK residents, I bought this (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Charger-AC-100X-Huawei-devices/dp/B01M7NZZLQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1504190133&sr=1-1&keywords=ac-100X) from Amazon, which arrived this morning. Claims to be genuine Microsoft manufacture, seems to be of decent quality (high quality feeling plastics and finish), and manages to charge the GPD while it is playing a 4mbit H264 stream in vlc. :)
Nice - once you've tried to charged the device a few times it would be interesting to see how well it performs compared to the GPD charger.
It doesn't mention that is has usb pd (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/11/google-threatens-qualcomm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility/)(power delivery)
From what I have understood this is supported by the GPD pocket and would speed up charging significantly. I was thinking about buying an Anker powerport (https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Premium-Charger-PowerPort-Delivery/dp/B01D8C6ULO).
This link (https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin#charging-info) doesn't make it clear to me what is the best choice for a GPD Pocket though. The adapter provided with the GPD doesn't mention to have USB PD (only Quick Adapter).
This link mentions the GPD adapter is indeed USB PD 2.0
http://parallel-news.hol.es/2017/03/21/gpd-pocket-faq/
Charger compatible with 100-240V, PD 2.0 Quick charge protocol, 5V/3A or 9V/2A or 12V/2A output. Full charge of 7000mAh battery takes only 1.5 hour
[Edit] typo and added another link
epninety
2017-08-31, 15:51
It doesn't mention that is has usb pd (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/11/google-threatens-qualcomm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility/)(power delivery)
It doesn't, and it probably isn't (beyond being 5V/3A capable). It was cheap so I took a flyer on it. If it can charge the unit while in use, that's fast enough for me.
Competition instead of cooperation seems to have turned usb charging into a total cluster**** and I'm just not interested enough to delve into it. I will settle for something that gets the job done in reasonable time and doesn't feel like it might catch fire on the way :)
Edit : Also noted from your stockmind link that usb-c data isn't currently working, so maybe all is not lost for the lan adapter :)
railroadmaster
2017-09-30, 01:41
https://i.imgur.com/CFkdXX0.jpg
I have made huge progress getting Linux to run on my tablet, now it finally boots past terminal text.
I used the GPD Pocket Ubuntu build.
https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin
I have made huge progress getting Linux to run on my tablet, now it finally boots past terminal text.
I used the GPD Pocket Ubuntu build.
https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin
Which tablet is that?
epninety
2017-09-30, 10:51
I have made huge progress getting Linux to run on my tablet, now it finally boots past terminal text.
Encouraging to see linux boot on any tablet, but I'd also like to know which one that is..
Your post reminded me to check the git for the latest update and I see that USB-C data is now supported on the GPD Pocket distro.:):):)
Just checked and wireshark capture from wired lan via usb-C works a treat - this is one of my most common 'portable' uses, so a great step forward for me. Sadly the usb-lan adapter only works while external power is connected - anyone know if this is a restriction of the adapter or the GPD?
railroadmaster
2017-09-30, 15:01
https://scontent.frir1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22051246_484629605246518_3414985284325143805_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=ea92182eee2126a055eba94ba645c2fe&oe=5A43E0F0
https://scontent.frir1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22135380_484629395246539_5277082867116565767_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=49440899827450049c2bceabe2af9768&oe=5A4E26A0
https://scontent.frir1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22104547_484629078579904_6615720587161960020_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=62874a192bb1ef2b3ee25fc8060a7bc0&oe=5A826E8C
https://scontent.frir1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22051200_484633091912836_5694375933136686416_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=3c4d3c0a35d17f94550551eb9b56403a&oe=5A50BFE9
The main problem I am having is that the touchscreen is not acting as a touchscreen, it acts instead as a touch pad and uses it cause the mouse curser to hover. I can't tap things on screen.
theonelaw
2017-11-29, 13:32
I keep forgetting to return with an update on how this thing works.
I bought one from the official Aliexpress store:
https://gpdshop.aliexpress.com/store/1281164
and the first thing I did was let the win10 update,
reboot
then run gparted to erase every last bit of extra disk
to make room for a linux image.
I then loaded up the Xubuntu image from
https://apt.nexus511.net/
(I am not very happy about Ubuntu,
but Xubuntu is usable,
and Debian 9.2 still has a lot of issues hanging out the rear.)
I am one very satisfied customer.
It fits in my jeans pockets,
the keyboard is better than no keyboard
and more certainly better than any incarnation
of bluetooth or dongled wireless keyboards.
The wifi is the hopeless Broadcom,
but nevermind - it does work in close quarters.
It has no camera, GPS, or 3g/4g/LTE modem,
but that means I can encrypt
long before getting anywhere near the devil's playground.
Battery life under xubuntu is excellent, usually 7-8 hours
(I am not the best battery loadtester,
my usage is not video games or mining cryptocoins etc)
It does have some pointy places,
but once you recognize where they are
and how to avoid them all is well.
A few points:
get a better screen shield (the GD one is junk)
and
get someone to sew a jacket for carrying it.
Some people just use a sock, which is what I first considered,
but someone sewed me a nice slipover using microfibre fabric.
get a spare power brick make sure it has the quick charge spec
(I got a TOTU DK37T, QUALCOMM 3.0 quick-charge)
looks like this:
https://rozetka.com.ua/qualcomm_quick_charge_3/p16085294/
Although GPD has created an image that is said to be functional,
the real deal is the community around the device.
Some have created a variety of images
and the driver issue argues in favor of :
* Get the Win10 device (not the GPD Ubuntu)
* Shrink the Win10 partition - but keep it for driver updates
* Make a linux partition and install whatever you want.
There exist hardware glitches,
but the new kernels and a little hacking makes it work.
(with reference to: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1538905&postcount=210)
I then loaded up the Xubuntu image from
https://apt.nexus511.net/
(I am not very happy about Ubuntu,
but Xubuntu is usable,
and Debian 9.2 still has a lot of issues hanging out the rear.)So no mainline suppport yet. Thanks!
The wifi is the hopeless Broadcom,
but nevermind - it does work in close quarters.Yuck!
get a better screen shield (the GD one is junk)In terms of visibility or durability?
get a spare power brick make sure it has the quick charge specDoes that mean the original one is underpowered?
Some have created a variety of images
and the driver issue argues in favor of :
* Get the Win10 device (not the GPD Ubuntu)Ok thanks, I'm out again! There's no way I'm going to let a MS OS run on hardware that has my data on it.
I'm not even desperate enough to buy HW that boosts the MS sales counter by having a MS license preinstalled.
theonelaw
2017-11-29, 22:46
(with reference to: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1538905&postcount=210)
So no mainline suppport yet. Thanks!
Yuck!
Some might argue this is a good thing.
Not getting bogged down into the software means
the makers are free to focus on hardware.$ product,
but if they devoted more of their limited resources to software
they may not have enough left over to make functional hardware.
In terms of visibility or durability?
Just ugly and glossy.
Does that mean the original one is underpowered?
Not underpowered but if you lose it or break it,
better to have something on hand proven to work.
Hunting for something good takes time
Ok thanks, I'm out again! There's no way I'm going to let a MS OS run on hardware that has my data on it.
I'm not even desperate enough to buy HW that boosts the MS sales counter by having a MS license preinstalled.
I know - this is still not System76 or Purism league philosophy.
But it is available now, and can run linux very well
Some might argue this is a good thing.I know I'm not the center of the world and I usually try to see the good side of things that are not my cup of tea, but I'm really having a hard time here.
How can not mainlining the sources be a good thing? :confused:
Not getting bogged down into the software means
the makers are free to focus on hardware.$ product,
but if they devoted more of their limited resources to software
they may not have enough left over to make functional hardware.I'm sure if they just dumped the code somewhere under a Free license as it is someone would pick it up and mainline it.
It's so easy that not doing it can't even be attributed to lazyness.
I know - this is still not System76 or Purism league philosophy.I can't judge System76, but I'm not all that impressed by Purism in terms of philosophy.
Sure, they occasionally release a nice piece of HW, but I think they are making way too much fuss around it compared to what they actually deliver. In my eyes it's far beyond "good marketing".
But it is available now, and can run linux very wellThe same thing could be said about the N900 8 years ago, and look what we have now:
A device running hopelessly outdated software (in terms of security, not end-user features) that was basically broken right from the start (Maemo is, and has always been, dependency hell at its worst).
No other ~10 years old system I still run (and I run some) is in such a bad shape software-wise.
The only redeeming qualities that still make me use the N900 are 1. that it happens to be able to make phone calls, 2. that it fits into my pocket and 3. that there are no other devices fulfilling 1 and 2 while still giving me a GNU/Linux system of some sort without running an OS underneath it that is known for spying on me.
So no, with respect to the N900 story, a device running Linux on a non-mainlined kernel does not qualify as "running linux very well" in my book.
I sold mine to @Nokius. He said, that almost anything is mainline. He has Arch running on it
I just stumbled upon this apparent GPD Pocket ripoff [1] via the Pyra forums [2].
It seems to be basically the same device while sacrificing some computing power, battery space and probably a useful trackpoint for a 360° hinge, keyboard backlight and a µSD slot.
[1] https://www.geekbuying.com/item/One-Netbook-One-Mix-Yoga-Pocket-Laptop-Z8350-8GB-128GB-Silver-397048.html
[2] https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/gpd-pocket.79367/page-23
theonelaw
2018-05-09, 10:52
... sacrificing some computing power, battery space and probably a useful trackpoint ...
With no apparent support for linux firmwares etc.
Slogging through the syrupy universe of Microsoft
on an even weaker cpu must be some new form of masochism.
<squint>
Doing such on a pocket screen is raising that bar by quite a bit.
</squint>
It seems to be basically the same device while sacrificing some computing power, battery space and probably a useful trackpoint for a 360° hinge, keyboard backlight and a µSD slot.
The higher res screen (1920x1200), 2048 pressure point stylus (probably why they removed the trackpoint), µUSB slot and lower price would also be nice additions over the GPD Pocket, although I have to say that something smells fishy here...
The OneMix apparently has an Intel Atom x5-Z8350 processor. I ran a comparison (https://ark.intel.com/compare/93361,93362) between that and the x7-Z8750 of the GPD Pocket and noticed that the x5-Z8350 only supports up to 2GB RAM (they claim it has 8GB) and a maximum resolution of 1920x1080. Unless I'm missing something and have not properly understood the processor specs, the OneMix is probably vapourware.
I'm not desperate enough to sink money on a device from a company that has no history that I can find quickly on the Internet. That rules out the OneMix for me.
Halfway expect to see more of this form factor with lesser specs sooner than later.
The higher res screen (1920x1200), 2048 pressure point stylus (probably why they removed the trackpoint), µUSB slot and lower price would also be nice additions over the GPD Pocket, although I have to say that something smells fishy here...
The OneMix apparently has an Intel Atom x5-Z8350 processor. I ran a comparison (https://ark.intel.com/compare/93361,93362) between that and the x7-Z8750 of the GPD Pocket and noticed that the x5-Z8350 only supports up to 2GB RAM (they claim it has 8GB) and a maximum resolution of 1920x1080. Unless I'm missing something and have not properly understood the processor specs, the OneMix is probably vapourware.
Due to the Intel datasheet, 8GB LPDDR3 DRAM should be possible.
Source: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/atom-z8000-datasheet-vol-1.pdf (https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/atom-z8000-datasheet-vol-1.pdfhttp://)
8.2.1 System Memory Technology Supported
The system memory controller supports the following DDR3L-RS/LPD DR3 Data Transfer Rates, DRAM Device Technologies:
• DDR3L-RS/LPDDR3 Data Transfer Rates: 1600MT/s (12.8 GB/s per channel).
• LPDDR3 (1.2V DRAM VDDQ)
• DDR3L-RS (1.35V DRAM interface I/Os)
• DDR3L-RS DRAM Device Technology
— Standard 2 Gb technologies and addressing
— Read latency 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
— Write latency 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
• LPDDR3 DRAM Device Technology
— x64, 253 ball LPDDR3 DRAM package
— 8 GB (2 rank per channel) package density
— Standard 2 Gb, 4 Gb and 8 Gb DR AM technologies and addressing
— Read latency 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
— Write latency 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
• Supports Trunk Clock Gating
• ECC supports 64-bit data bus on DDR3L-RS single channel
• Supports early SR exit
• Supports slow power down
• Supports CA tri-state when not driving a valid command
The higher res screen (1920x1200)That's the same as in the GPD Pocket, isn't it?
2048 pressure point stylus (probably why they removed the trackpoint)I have no clue how that works. I'd guess it's probably a very tiny touchpad.
although I have to say that something smells fishy here...Indeed! I just wanted to bring this device up, in case someone knows more about it or its manufacturer.
maximum resolution of 1920x1080.That's via HDMI. I'm pretty sure that the internal display is conected via eDP, like in all modern laptops.
That's the same as in the GPD Pocket, isn't it?
You're right. For some reason the official GPD AliExpress store (https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Original-GPD-Pocket-7-Inch-Aluminum-Shell-Mini-Laptop-UMPC-Windows-10-System-CPU-x7/1281164_32814746257.html?spm=2114.12010608.0.0.544 f6004BUpZQO) lists it as 1920x1080 under "specification" towards the bottom of the page but shows 1920x1200 everywhere else.
That's via HDMI. I'm pretty sure that the internal display is conected via eDP, like in all modern laptops.
Unlike the x7-Z8750, the x5-Z8350 has an empty field for eDP on Intel's Product Specification which I linked to in my last post, so I assumed it wasn't supported. As druk13 already pointed out, Intel's Product Specification page for the x5-Z8350 seems to be lacklustre (the cynic in me thinks this is probably a marketing tactic to make the more expensive product look more attractive) and I would've been better off reading their datasheet.
thecursedfly
2018-05-16, 21:02
Hi,
I just want to mention that Fedora 28 KDE works fantastically on this device.
Few configurations needed to get the hardware good with stock kernel 4.16 after stock ISO installation:
- copy the touchscreen config file (https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin/blob/master/display/40-touch.conf) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-touch.conf to rotate it
- copy the xorg config file to rotate the login screen (https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin/blob/master/display/30-monitor.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-monitor.conf)
- run two scripts (alsa.sh and fix_wifi.sh here: https://github.com/e-minguez/gpd-pocket-fedora) to enable wifi and audio/mic
- in KDE Displays menu, rotate the screen and set scale factor to 1.7
I'm using it as my daily machine connected to an external screen and USB hub. Very snappy and incredible battery life (10 hours or so?!?).
Extra tip: install the ScrollAnywhere addon in Firefox, it makes it easy to browse the web with the touchscreen.
theonelaw
2018-05-17, 06:11
Hi,
I just want to mention that Fedora 28 KDE works fantastically on this device.
Few configurations needed to get the hardware good with stock kernel 4.16 after stock ISO installation:
- copy the touchscreen config file (https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin/blob/master/display/40-touch.conf) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-touch.conf to rotate it
- copy the xorg config file to rotate the login screen (https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin/blob/master/display/30-monitor.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-monitor.conf)
- run two scripts (alsa.sh and fix_wifi.sh here: https://github.com/e-minguez/gpd-pocket-fedora) to enable wifi and audio/mic
- in KDE Displays menu, rotate the screen and set scale factor to 1.7
I'm using it as my daily machine connected to an external screen and USB hub. Very snappy and incredible battery life (10 hours or so?!?).
Extra tip: install the ScrollAnywhere addon in Firefox, it makes it easy to browse the web with the touchscreen.
This triggered me to revisit trying MX on this
(using Ubuntu at the moment)
I had downloaded their latest 17.1 for a different project,
and I see it boots okay (screen is sideways, :rolleyes: of course)
I wonder if the fixes would work for this,
zero free time at the moment but maybe I can squeeze
some time to check later.
I just want to mention that Fedora 28 KDE works fantastically on this device.
You and I have very different ideas of the meaning of the word "fantastically".
Mine is admittedly a second-hand device and it is possible that the previous owner did not set it up optimally. It is also the Gnome version rather than KDE. Still, there were inexcusable glaring issues with it, such as the Settings application crashing with a kernel fault when I was trying to edit users, and then refusing to start again until I logged out completely and back in again. There was a pending OS update that fixed that but it did not fix other issues, such as...
Booting up and shutting down takes Bloody Ages™ (read: about three minutes), with absolutely zero feedback during the process, just a black screen, so you have no idea whether you pressed the button or WTF is going on.
There is no sound. No sound device is listed in Settings.
Closing the lid does not suspend the device and there is no setting to make it so. At least twice I had to finish what I was doing quickly so I just shut the lid and put the laptop in the bag, only to find it hot and with a dead battery when I took it out again after less than an hour.
The screen scale factor can be set only to 100%, where everything is so tiny that you need a magnifying glass to read the menus and 200%, where most dialog boxes do not fit on the screen. Nothing in between.
There is a noticeable lag in operation, in the order of seconds between e.g. tapping on an icon to start a new application and any visible reaction. Not at all what I would call "snappy".
No sensible package manager, like Debian's Synaptic, only a very high level "Software". That is a major issue for me. I tried to find one but no luck. There is "Gnome Packages" in the repo that is utterly useless. Whatever I do, it just presents an empty window, despite having sources set correctly.
Maybe you are used to "small things" like that but I expect things to work flawlessly and out of the box.
(using Ubuntu at the moment)
Can you confirm it works? Having suffered the above, I was tempted to install Ubuntu on it. I found an "official" Ubuntu ISO (16.04.1-desktop-amd_0809_2) and tried it live. It shows up sideways which does not inspire confidence to actually install it.
Disclaimer:
It's been a long time since I used Fedora, so what I'll write here will probbaly be outdated or very generic.
Booting up and shutting down takes Bloody Ages™ (read: about three minutes), with absolutely zero feedback during the process, just a black screen, so you have no idea whether you pressed the button or WTF is going on.Sounds like the common unexplicably dumb decision of Systemd devs to not show any messages by default.
Open /etc/systemd/system.conf and activate the entry for ShowStatus=yes (remove the # at the start)!
This should at least give you useful messages during boot and shutdown. Most likely there's some service that's not starting/stoping correctly and waiting for the default 90sec timeout.
Closing the lid does not suspend the device and there is no setting to make it so.Try opening /etc/systemd/logind.conf and activate: HandleLidSwitch=suspend
The screen scale factor can be set only to 100%, where everything is so tiny that you need a magnifying glass to read the menus and 200%, where most dialog boxes do not fit on the screen. Nothing in between.I think I remember that's a Gnome-specific problem. So nothing the GPD Pocket can be blamed for.
btw: In Xfce you can set finer PPI values.
No sensible package manager, like Debian's Synaptic, only a very high level "Software". That is a major issue for me. I tried to find one but no luck. There is "Gnome Packages" in the repo that is utterly useless. Whatever I do, it just presents an empty window, despite having sources set correctly.Under Fedora there's always yum, which pretty much works like apt in Debian.
Having suffered the above, I was tempted to install Ubuntu on it. I found an "official" Ubuntu ISO (16.04.1-desktop-amd_0809_2) and tried it live. It shows up sideways which does not inspire confidence to actually install it.Well, there's a portrait display (it says so in its EDID) build into the device in landscape direction, because all the good displays of that size are in portrait mode (smartphone displays). The OS knows nothing about the display being built-in "the wrong way".
So at some point you have to rotate it in software. This is nothing a generic install medium should do by default. This can neither be blamed on GPD nor on Ubuntu.
theonelaw
2018-05-17, 08:42
You and I have very different ideas of the meaning of the word "fantastically".
Mine is admittedly a second-hand device and it is possible that the previous owner did not set it up optimally. It is also the Gnome version rather than KDE. Still, there were inexcusable glaring issues with it, such as the Settings application crashing with a kernel fault when I was trying to edit users, and then refusing to start again until I logged out completely and back in again. There was a pending OS update that fixed that but it did not fix other issues, such as...
Booting up and shutting down takes Bloody Ages™ (read: about three minutes), with absolutely zero feedback during the process, just a black screen, so you have no idea whether you pressed the button or WTF is going on.
There is no sound. No sound device is listed in Settings.
Closing the lid does not suspend the device and there is no setting to make it so. At least twice I had to finish what I was doing quickly so I just shut the lid and put the laptop in the bag, only to find it hot and with a dead battery when I took it out again after less than an hour.
The screen scale factor can be set only to 100%, where everything is so tiny that you need a magnifying glass to read the menus and 200%, where most dialog boxes do not fit on the screen. Nothing in between.
There is a noticeable lag in operation, in the order of seconds between e.g. tapping on an icon to start a new application and any visible reaction. Not at all what I would call "snappy".
No sensible package manager, like Debian's Synaptic, only a very high level "Software". That is a major issue for me. I tried to find one but no luck. There is "Gnome Packages" in the repo that is utterly useless. Whatever I do, it just presents an empty window, despite having sources set correctly.
Maybe you are used to "small things" like that but I expect things to work flawlessly and out of the box.
Can you confirm it works? Having suffered the above, I was tempted to install Ubuntu on it. I found an "official" Ubuntu ISO (16.04.1-desktop-amd_0809_2) and tried it live. It shows up sideways which does not inspire confidence to actually install it.
WoW! - you got the exact wrong iso, :eek:.
I loaded a xubuntu iso from https://apt.nexus511.net/
and it works fantastic. (+ some minor tweaks)
There are other newer efforts which may deserve a check.
(I loathe ubuntu - but xubuntu is okay, for my preference)
sound really can work
lid really can sleep the machine
you may need to scale the desktop settings depending which iso
(My updates no longer work so I am looking to upgrade OS,
which is why I was checking into MX-17.1)
This device takes a small effort to get linux on it,
but it is bread and butter for my commutes and meetings.
So at some point you have to rotate it in software. This is nothing a generic install medium should do by default. This can neither be blamed on GPD nor on Ubuntu.
I know the reasons behind that. But when I am given something that calls itself an official ISO image for a specific device, I expect it to be tuned for that device and work on that device out of the box!
Regarding your other points, thanks for that. I know about yum and I suspected there were some tweaks one could do in a system file here or there but we live in the 21st century and I would really expect a nice GUI for such basic things. There is for example no excuse whatsoever for not presenting some progress bar or at least a rotating clock, galloping horse or whatever during startup or shutdown.
we live in the 21st century and I would really expect a nice GUI for such basic things.A Systemd dev would probably tell you now, that having such a GUI would be pointless, since on a properly configured system there's no time to see it anyway, and that the fact that you'd have the time means your system is not configured properly, which is not their fault. :p
There is for example no excuse whatsoever for not presenting some progress bar or at least a rotating clock, galloping horse or whatever during startup or shutdown.My last post offered you scrolling text. ;)
My last post offered you scrolling text. ;)
I know, and agree it is better. I was referring to the default option: if scrolling text is switched off, then present something else instead.
thecursedfly
2018-05-17, 14:51
You and I have very different ideas of the meaning of the word "fantastically".
Mine is admittedly a second-hand device and it is possible that the previous owner did not set it up optimally. It is also the Gnome version rather than KDE. Still, there were inexcusable glaring issues with it, such as the Settings application crashing with a kernel fault when I was trying to edit users, and then refusing to start again until I logged out completely and back in again. There was a pending OS update that fixed that but it did not fix other issues, such as...
Booting up and shutting down takes Bloody Ages™ (read: about three minutes), with absolutely zero feedback during the process, just a black screen, so you have no idea whether you pressed the button or WTF is going on.
There is no sound. No sound device is listed in Settings.
Closing the lid does not suspend the device and there is no setting to make it so. At least twice I had to finish what I was doing quickly so I just shut the lid and put the laptop in the bag, only to find it hot and with a dead battery when I took it out again after less than an hour.
The screen scale factor can be set only to 100%, where everything is so tiny that you need a magnifying glass to read the menus and 200%, where most dialog boxes do not fit on the screen. Nothing in between.
There is a noticeable lag in operation, in the order of seconds between e.g. tapping on an icon to start a new application and any visible reaction. Not at all what I would call "snappy".
No sensible package manager, like Debian's Synaptic, only a very high level "Software". That is a major issue for me. I tried to find one but no luck. There is "Gnome Packages" in the repo that is utterly useless. Whatever I do, it just presents an empty window, despite having sources set correctly.
Maybe you are used to "small things" like that but I expect things to work flawlessly and out of the box.
Can you confirm it works? Having suffered the above, I was tempted to install Ubuntu on it. I found an "official" Ubuntu ISO (16.04.1-desktop-amd_0809_2) and tried it live. It shows up sideways which does not inspire confidence to actually install it.
Honestly, I don't understand why you replied to me when we have completely different setups.
I was referring to the official Fedora 28 KDE (from here: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/download/index.html ). So it's beyond me why you compare it with Gnome, and don't even know how it was installed as you got it like that from somebody else.
With the few instructions I included in my post, you should easily be able to get to my same setup which works great (I have 0 issues I know of).
To address some of your points:
In KDE you can set scale factors between 1 and 2 (I find 1.7 optimal, as it seems to be detected as a 1280x800 screen by websites)
dnfdragora and Discover do a pretty good job for installing software (Discover is receiving a lot of attention by the devs lately)
sound and mic work for me
closing the lid does whatever I configure it to do in the GUI settings (by default suspend)
screen rotation is remembered and you have to set it up only once in the beginning
booting up and shutting down is fast (I think you are getting the 90 sec delay due to some application not closing properly; I think you can see the underlying message by pressing the Up or Down key while you wait but not sure, I noticed that casually in one occasion)
nothing is crashing for me
and finally I have 0 lag between operations, everything is actually snappy.
So if you have all these issues you speak of, perhaps you could try to install Fedora 28 KDE from scratch and see if you get the same as me. Note that for the few configurations I mentioned in my post you need to download some files on a USB key (or at least the wifi fix).
Honestly, I don't understand why you replied to me when we have completely different setups.
"I have a red Ford Fiesta and it is absolutely fantastic!"
"Really? I also have one and have a dozen issues with it. Admittedly mine is blue."
"Honestly, I don't understand why you replied to me when we have completely different setups."
:D
Either way, big thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. Between you, sulu and theonelaw, I can sort this out.
I just want to mention that Fedora 28 KDE works fantastically on this device.
You and I have very different ideas of the meaning of the word "fantastically".Honestly, I don't understand why you replied to me when we have completely different setups.
"I have a red Ford Fiesta and it is absolutely fantastic!"
"Really? I also have one and have a dozen issues with it. Admittedly mine is blue."
"Honestly, I don't understand why you replied to me when we have completely different setups."
:D
That just illustrates that you have had different experiences with a particular product, regardless of its setup. In the case of the GPD Pocket, your setup is directly relevant to your experience with it. It doesn't necessarily mean you both have very different ideas of the meaning of the word "fantastically" or that Fedora 28 KDE does not work fantastically. ;)
booting up and shutting down is fast (I think you are getting the 90 sec delay due to some application not closing properly; I think you can see the underlying message by pressing the Up or Down key while you wait but not sure, I noticed that casually in one occasion)
This is the reason. By default systemd has 90s timeout when it sends SIGHUP to applications in shutdown, if somebody misbehaves and the timeout runs out, it will send SIGKILL to the raemining processes and wait another 90 seconds before forcing shutdown. Provided the stuck process is in D state it will not get the signal and the second timeout will also run thru; 90s+90s equals pretty close to 3 minutes....
In systemd-stable v238 the timeout has been made configurable, see commit e73c54b8 (https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable/commit/e73c54b838885237438f776b930e3624f8cb57f7)
What you could do is enable persistent journal (if not already enabled in your system) and check what's the offending process.
That just illustrates that you have had different experiences with a particular product, <snip>
Yes, the product being "Fedora 28 on GPD Pocket". Or even "Linux on GPD Pocket".
With "KDE" or "Gnome" making the same difference as the colour in my Fiesta example.
Some people, especially those in the DIY community, often tend to forget that software is also a product. You are used to half-finished product that you need to spend hours setting up, tweaking and configuring to suit your needs. You may even like it that way. I agree it is nice to have that option but you should not have to do that. Things should work straight out of the box. In my case they did not.
You may be pleased to hear that they do now and that I can happily and proudly agree that Linux on GPD Pocket works "fantastically".
It took me more than a day to get to that stage, having tried no fewer than four different images. Every single one of them had some issues, none of them worked right away. You may say that it is part of normal setup, I say it's inexcusable.
In case anyone cares, I have eventually settled on Xubuntu 18.04, having started from a 17.04 image (https://gpd-iso.dandinoo.com/xubuntu/2017-09-04/) linked from the Nexus511 site (https://apt.nexus511.net/). Be warned, 17.04 is no longer supported and repo links are dead. But with some manual tweaks and two OS updates later, I have a perfectly working system. Yaay! :)
Sorry about the noise and big thanks to all who came to the rescue, especially theonelaw (https://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=44285), sulu (https://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=50500) and thecursedfly (https://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=23867).
Did you also try stockmind respin? https://github.com/stockmind/gpd-pocket-ubuntu-respin
Recent prepared ISO's are available (I've downloaded one a few months ago and upgraded fine to 18.04)
https://gpdpocket.cre.ovh/
It looks like the GPD Pocket 2 in on the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T09kJ8EyCU
It looks like the GPD Pocket 2 in on the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T09kJ8EyCU
I actually could see me purchasing this one.
It looks like the GPD Pocket 2 in on the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T09kJ8EyCULooks like they took a step sideways. :confused:
+ µSD
+ 2nd USB A port
o still no exchangable storage (M.2?)
o still no keyboard backlight
o not sure about the new keyboard layout
- no more trackpoint :eek: (I'll wait for version 3 then)
- no more dedicated HDMI (not much of a problem, but seeing how much empty space is wasted on the right edge to make it look thin, including an HDMI port and a bunch of other ports would have been a piece of cake)
- fan outlet looks pointless (it's blowing right against the display hinge)
WTF the Tab key...
The Tab key is weird thing indeed. On the current Pocket too.
theonelaw
2018-06-04, 02:17
Looks like they took a step sideways. :confused:
+ µSD
+ 2nd USB A port
o still no exchangable storage (M.2?)
o still no keyboard backlight
o not sure about the new keyboard layout
- no more trackpoint :eek: (I'll wait for version 3 then)
- no more dedicated HDMI (not much of a problem, but seeing how much empty space is wasted on the right edge to make it look thin, including an HDMI port and a bunch of other ports would have been a piece of cake)
- fan outlet looks pointless (it's blowing right against the display hinge)
Version 1 runs Xubuntu just short of excellently,
but the new specs seem to indicate a blunder in the making.
I suspect there is some industrial "rule of thumb"
about the second version of a really good product is either
seriously flawed or boringly improved.
There is always that tendency to change things 'that just work'
for things that 'seem cool' just for the sake of looking progressive.
This suggests the cosmetic issues will be accompanied by
other more frustrating internal problems
only discovered after product launch.
fortunately, they may inspire competition who may
do better, quickly.
I suspect there is some industrial "rule of thumb"
about the second version of a really good product is either
seriously flawed or boringly improved.You mean, industrial designers are the same kind of people that make movie sequels? ;)
railroadmaster
2018-06-04, 09:48
It's Stupid that they are removing the nub. If they want to improve the pointing device, use the Touch Pad design from Fujitsu and Viliv devices.
https://gigaom.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2010/02/uh900_front.jpeg
http://www.cartft.com/carpcimages/Viliv/Viliv_N5_1.jpg
krutznikov
2018-06-04, 11:00
Glad I bought the first GPD Pocket!
Trackpoint is required IMO (touch features get lost sometimes after suspending Ubuntu/Gnome) and the screen is still small for some tasks, HDMI can be useful. And of course, the tab key!
I use Stockmind's ISO, that's true pretty much everything is working except HDMI sound output (and probably some USB-C features at this point).
ATOM processor could be faster but well... I'm able to use Android inside Virtualbox which is great for those closed messaging apps (kernel 4.14, virtualbox-5.2.4 from zesty with dkms 5.2.4-dfsg-2 from cosmic).
railroadmaster
2018-06-09, 02:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pke87TKdOUg
They took my idea! The GPD Pocket 2 will have a touchpad!
Jedibeeftrix
2018-06-09, 13:24
someone needs to make one using the 15W Ryzen 3 2200g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pke87TKdOUg
They took my idea! The GPD Pocket 2 will have a touchpad!
Great. Now, let’s see what else folks will complain about next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pke87TKdOUg
They took my idea! The GPD Pocket 2 will have a touchpad!Currently I have no sound, so maybe this is answered in the video:
Is this a tiny touchpad or a pointing stick? It seems to be a touchpad. If so, how does it work at this size? I mean, there's not a lot of space to move a finger around. :confused:
Great. Now, let’s see what else folks will complain about next.Maybe that they're missing a left-hander version?
I mean, I'm a right-hander and I've always been puzzled about standard game controllers having the steering element (d-pad, nub) on the left side where more precision is required than for action buttons.
I've even gone so far trying to use my Game Boy upside down.
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