Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

Yeah, I kinda thought open source would be more... you know... open.

(Here's where someone points me to the unusable Fremantle source...)

I was intrigued by the Mer reference the other day... http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed It sounds waaaaay more interesting and useful than Paymantle.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

Who said anything about the desktop market? I ran winmo devices for about 3 years before I moved to maemo, partially in a desire to move away from the MS way of doing things. And yes, you do get OS upgrades for winmo, my Motorola Q9 has been upgraded (officially) from winmo 5 to 6, then to 6.1

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

fpp,

if i had a 770 in my hands I would do my best to get liqbase working on it.
I simply cannot fly blind and do not know what problems need overcoming.
(though I do have a runlog someone sent me, but its still not quite the same)

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

at least they shouldn't close the bugs. if they wanna put freematle and be done, ok. but only close them when there is ACTUALLY a Freemantle.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

Open doesn't have anything to do with officially supporting certain hardware. What open does do is enable the community to step up and provide that support.

Same place as the Diablo sources.

Paymantle . . . clever. Mer is actually using a lot of the current Fremantle sources.

My own vision is to use Mer as a base for a Fremantle backport to OMAP2 hardware, and why would that even be possible? Because of Nokia's openness.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

We know that there will be OpenGL acceleration in Fremantle. We also know that we have no drivers for our graphics hardware (PowerVR).

If we want a backport, the community really needs to be working on an optimized software OpenGL renderer for our devices, in order to be ready for the community backport that will be required next spring. I know we could squeeze better performance out of the Mesa software renderer, it just requires some low-level programmer types to get in there and make it happen.

I've said it before; the liqbase speed hacks would probably really help us here.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

Apple supports their OS on their hardware for quite a long time, you know. Leopard works on old PPC Macs from around 2002 (and can be hacked on to older ones). I don't know what kinda shaft you're talking about...

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

All this talk about the community back-porting fremantle doesn't help with the fact that nokia/maemo are closing bugs raised against chinook/diablo as fixed, when they are only fixed in firmware that won't be available on the hardware of the reporter.

"We've fixed the problem with your car, you just need to buy a new car to get the fix"

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

yes qole, we need something.
but neither I nor qwerty could get a fully buildable opengl stack together to start hacking from.
I managed to get the binaries up and running, but that really doesn't help.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"
 

Having to use Mac OS in the first place isn't being shafted enough? The way Jobs treats the fan-boys (who lap it up) looks like a good, hard shafting to me.