Game advices for N900
 

I have had N900 for couple of years now but haven't played games with it. Is there anyone really into games that would like to guide a bit?

I'm mainly trying to find Super Mario kind of games, where you jump and collect and bump on some creatures, flying in tunnels games, driving a car, shooting games (like the dug shooting game I found in HAM) without blood, or games like Rambo, Bruce Lee, Who Dares Wins and Commando.

So I don't need good graphics and don't like long story kind of games. Just something simple to play with while on a bus or a train, something with easy keyboard control.

I know there are free dos games a lot, so dosbox could be possible, but I haven't played with any emulators with linux so I have hesitated to start (what to download and where and how to install etc.).

If anyone like to help I would appreciate. if not I may succeed on this by myself but it will be in the future some day when I have enough brain capacity to try to learn new stuff again.

Yours,
Maemish.

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if you can still find the deb-ified webos games they give you a modern mobile phone game experience, at least the ones which do not require multitouch; though I think there was a workaround even for htat.
Muppen64 lets you play lower power Nintendo64 roms I had Mario64 run great and is well suited especially if you find a game-gripper attachment somewhere; if you search thingiverse I even gave a feeble attempt to 3D design & print a FOSS game gripper like thing.
Mupen64 does almost all of the work for you except finding or extracting the rom files from old game carts.
There is a NES emulator if you want to play super maro brothers.

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I remember there was SCUMMVM emulator for N900.

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I am NOT really into games..but Angry Birds on N900 is good.

All those games are classic C64 games,
There is Frodo C64 emulator on Nokia 9500(symbianS80 phone), but I wondering what happened for Frodo C64 on Maemo:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5764

Those games was also available for MSX and there is even two emulators for Maemo:
- fMSX: you can easily install it with Application Manager.
I have tested only with programming MSX-Basic.
- OpenMSX: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83502
I haven't tested it yet.

There is also Atari ST emulator:
http://eerott.mbnet.fi/hatari/hatari-n900.shtml
and even .deb packed games for it:
http://eerott.mbnet.fi/hatari/games.shtml
I have written instructions for application use (not for games) instructions might help also monochrome (ST High) game users:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100121
list for some monochrome games:
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=4791

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@Teroyk: checked the Hatari page. There is very good documentation how to set it up and make gmaes playable. It is just that I am lacking (still after using linux over ten years) some basic knowledge of making directories and extracting files to right places etc. so even though the instruction are good I don't have enough knowledge to be able to follow them without getting too much anxiety and stress (which I have to avoid at the moment).

I have now watched many "100 dos games in ten mnutes" youtube videos and made lists of what seems good. Maybe I try to hunt those down and then try to get them running on dosbox.

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Maybe is better hunt those real N900 games:
http://www.my-maemo.com/software/cat...ldAuto_35.html

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It is included in the ovi repository. Hence you could find it on archive.org

bounce_1.0.1_armel.deb

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Tried to download games from Aapo's site but could not. The most awesome would be to find a pinball for N900. Or couple different. That I could play ages.

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I really liked brainparty and also had a lot of fun with offscreen app Airport. Atleast it's something called like that.

As mentioned earlier, Angry birds and level pack 1-4 was good aswell.
Dont forget: Frogatto, see my sig.

And last but not least, my hidden gem: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vexed/

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I played Angry Birds (Rio, and 1,2,3,4 if I remember well), Assassins Creed, and Monopoly on my n900. And bounce of course :) I even managed to install Quake 3 Arena and Starcraft but these were limited in function and story... So not the same as on PC... :D I played mahjong a lot and sometimes chess and marbles...

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@mr_pingu: your hidden gem was a gem. Thanks!

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Frogatto seems a great game but I haven't been able to start to play with it. How to use up and down keys? They are needed to open doors and all sorts of things. I have pressed them with FN and tried also with CTRL and SHIFT but game does nt seem to recognize. Or is there some combination or other keys to use with N900?

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Anyone know any pinball for N900? If I get Frogatto to work, have the pingos puzzle game, get some starfighter shooting game and would get a good pinball that would be enough for me for a long time or even to the end of time.

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I recall someone saying win95 pinball working using dosbox. Before you ask, System Shock 1(for win95) will run but when I tried it was something like 4 frames per minute and that with overclock.

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and OP wants super mario type of games. well, there's super tux, and it runs well on N900

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Would it be hard to Maemo programmers to compile Linux Pinball to Maemo?
http://linball.sourceforge.net/

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There's loads of stuff i have played over the years, the ones i still have kicking around on my device are.
100boxes, Angry Birds, colorflood, de-lite fight2048,freecell4maemo, neverputt, papertoss, qthello,tapankaikki, thembloodyducks, unnethack and wok

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Thanks for hints. Installed a bunch to try them out. Lacking pinball is bad and if anyone know how to play Frogatto with N900 I could use tips for using up and down arrows.

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Do you have a N900 with two arrow keys instead of four?
At my N900 with 4 arrow keys, it is just pressing up.


If you only have two, you might want to load internatinal keymap first but I don't know if this solves the problem... Haven't really run into this before..

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Now I'm jealous. FOUR ARROW KEYS!!! You... you... So I need to load international keymap, and then I need to change every time to that if I want to be able to play. I think I will pass that game and hope that I won't run on the same problem with other games. Any finns here who have played Frogatto or someone who has only two arrow keys? I feel so poor now with my N900. It must be so much better with international keyboard. And the phone is made by a finnish company. Finns, always bowing to bigger stages and showing the backside to homeland.

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Don't forger Numptyphysics. A great game, very calm and fascinating imho.

About Frogatto's key problem, I don't remember, can't you remap the keys usage somewhere in the game?

Edit: more details about Numptyphysics:

The goal is to send an object to a certain place.
It is a physics game in the mean that there is gravity, inertia, mass. levers...
So, you make a drawing (sketch type style with the stylus or the finger) and when done, it becomes an object with physical properties. The more lines you made, the more heavy it is. Then, it will begin to fall to project other objects in cascade to finally push the one you have to move. Iirc, there was a level with accelerometers use. You can also build levels.
Try it!

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I have never remapped keys. So it should probably be done in the game system file to give exception rules for just these two arrow keys. But I don't know at all how to do it. It would probably be the best choice.

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Repo version hasn't been updated but the official site still has a build https://www.scummvm.org/frs/scummvm/...aemo_armel.deb

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Installing Frogatto...
...Ok

You said once you mess a lot. Do mess more! :cool:

It's much simpler than remapping into a file or something:
-Run the game
-Hit the upper right square button -> a new box appears
-Hit the bottom left button into the new box -> another new box
-Hit the arrow you want to remap, then the key you want to use to replace the arrow.
Here you are.

Uninstalling Frogatto...
IMHtaste, the most satisfying game is to [try to] script, tweak, program (level "hello world" for me), or even create dirs, links... command line is objectivly;) an extasy!

and Numptyphisics! Did you try it?

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Thank you very many. Missed that box.

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Whoa, I had completely forgotten Tapan Kaikki. We played (some version of) it a lot as a children with my sister, with divided display on computer. What a great fun it was :)

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Came to my mind that what about getting pinball on ED side. Tried to install: libc6 errror. Checked from the source page and for armel it requires the libc6 from 2.4 kernel.There ends my knowledge who to backport something in a working way. Otherwise there I could get my pinball from.

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As Sicelio said
Super Tux is the same as The Original Super Mario Brothers except you are a penguin rather then a plumber. Good side scrolling action. Probably made specifically for the N900. Watch out for ice cubes and other things (octopus? I don't rememer having not played it for about a decade). It was in the standard Maemo repositories. It kept me entertained for a summer.

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The game i propose fits non of your described demands but still i need to recommend it being the last game i am left to still play even after years.

Nethack.

On N900 you can play locally on the precompiled Unnethack variant but it is pretty dated.
My recommendation would be to start with the vanilla version before testing any variant since development is still active (3.7 released today!) and the Wiki is most detailed.

Easiest approach is to connect to alt.org via telnet from any terminal and explore stuff from there on.

An even better curated server is hardfought.org.
They offer to play any variant and always the most updated vanilla version via ssh.

The game has the steepest learning curve you can imagine and uses most possible combination of your standard Keyboard to control.
So any Hardware Keyboard Phone is a perfect fit for mobile nethack fun.

Your character is a simple @ symbol which you steer around the random generated ascii dungeons via "hjkl" and "yubn" for diagonal steps.
Your ultimate goal is to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor from the up to 52 levels deep dungeon and escape with it to the level -5 heavenly Astral Plane.
There you offer it to your deity and thus ascend to Demigood hood, winning the Game.

Since it is was created in 1984 there are now many perfect players with awesome skills winning the game in less than two hours realtime.
But i can not imagine any human brain mastering nethack unspoiled. It is just too complex.
Playing intensly in 2017, i managed to ascend my first game after years of casually failing. Recently had my 7th ascencion only.

Why should you even start this waste of time?
For me it is continuity and simplicity.

Since any game is a waste of time anyway, why not try one where you have long lasting stats on a public server where you can see long run improvements and can pick up your save game from any machine with a terminal?
My wife had countless mini games on her phone with meaningless achievements and short term pleasure.
Every time i fail, i learn for the next game :D

Speaking of fail, nethack is a "Perma-Death" turn based Dungeon and Dragons themed "Rogue like" type of game.
Rogue being the name of the first game with attributes like:
You can save and restore a game anytime and like chess, you have all the time in the world to plan every single turn before you execute it.
But if you die, you are dead and the game is lost.

The saying is, most games want you to win for you to have short live fun (financial exploitation is quite easy), Nethack only wants your death.

Writing this lines i again realize how much i love nethack and if you have any question, please ask.
I am more than happy to help.

For starters here is my fleshed out config for public servers for you to copy and have some nice IBM 850 character set eyecandy and the ncurses interface with always visible inventory and last messages.
For N900 a different config might be needed but this one scales perfectly on Pro1 and 2K Laptop.

(y/z is adapted to qwertz in above config, for qwerty change OPTIONS=number_pad:-1 to 0)

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I think I downloaded the unnethack from HAM, opened it and when faced with this black and with arcaid screen with movable @ symbol and not understanding how to get it to move out from the first box (was there a cat too that moved) I gave up like a totally not my thing.

And now you tell me it would be a very good game. Well if you wan't to guide me to get at least it running and some hints what it is about, I would appreciate. But it will be a pain. Endsormeans have helped me couple of times and it isn't easy. Juiceme has made some instructions I was able to follow. Justmemory gave good instructions for installing Kali on chroot but have never managed to make it work.

So maybe instructions discussion with pm cause it will start with "what is this ssh and how to use it?" question. Think of a person who knows how to copy text to terminal but not much else. Never used 'make' command for instance. My palette of commands is ls, ls -a, cd, cd .., apt-get with purge, clean, autoclean, remove, autoremove, install with -f and fix missing, and dpkg -i, groupadd (just to get rid of an error in ED image), chown with some parameters if I google them to get rights for either sdcard or user/program in ED.

I have never really learned a lot. I search solutions from net and copy and try different scripts to be able to move on. Don't understand at all what are all the system folders in linux. The information has never stuck in my mind. Over 10 years wasted time with linux not really learning. If I would have first read even a one book about stuff or go to some course, I would have benefitted of these years and could be one helping others. But because I found solutions by copying scripts that is wha I know how to do. So sad.

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I can upload somewhere also two games from Bada - Settlers and angry birds. But I don't have Bada games launcher :/

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Alex Kid in Mircale World runs on MasterGear emulator on mameo.

But i would not try it without a controller (or GameGripper) and at least 4 arrow keys..

Tower Toppler is a native nebulous clown.

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Not at all.
Do not play yourself down.
It is all about asking the right questions, either to get something out of any search engine, or to get competent people to not ignore you ;)

For the movement in nethack, it is awesome gain to learn since it helps you to use Vim Editor.
In Vim you have separate modes for most things. So in any other than edit mode where you type with characters, you can move the curser with h =left, j = down, k = up, l = right.
Those where chosen because when you place you right hand fingers in standard position for 10 finger typing they lay on hjkl. From that finger position the index finger reaches left up to z (diagonally left up) and left down to b (diagonally left down) and right down to n (diagonally right down). The middle finger resting on j can also reach u (diagonally right up).
This method to navigate a cursor was widely used before cursor arrow keys and Numpads messed up the experience by having much longer ways for the fingers and even the hand when moving away from the char section.

Imo Nethack is the best way to learn that type of control and get it into muscle memory.

The 89 commands you can e.g. use to manipulate the various items that come across your path have shortcuts on the keyboard.
But you can execute every command by typing # followed by the command name if you do not remember the shortcut.

This excessive use of controls and shortcuts is another beauty of nethack.
Other games try to soothe your brain with beautiful animations and physics emulation. But even in complex modern games the actual amount of actions you can do with given ingame elements is rather limited.

But you already had unnethack running and asked how to get a game rolling.
It is not very fruitful to ask me via dm, since the best thing you can actually learn from nethack is problem solving skills. The cool thing is, those are the same skills you need to get into any computer thingy in depth ;)
And it is so simple, yet a little tedious at first.
Just type everything you have a question about into the nethack wiki. You will get an explanation.

0. Select a character to start a game.
I advise to pick Valkyrie or Barbarian first as they have the highest initial hit/health points.
Male or female, chaotic, neutral or lawful by random since you will learn the impact only muuuch later until you died a lot and started all over anyway :p

1. Get used to the controls first by navigating through the rooms and paths that are randomly generated once a level is created.
If you hold shift when moving in any direction, you will move until you reach any obstacle. This will speed up things considerably.
The underscore key _ gives a navigate mode. In there you can much like in vim only move the curser over the screen and press . at the place where you want to travel to. Your @ will move there even around corners automagically until you encounter an obstacle.
If doors are locked, #kick them open with ctrl+d.
A stairway down is marked with >. Stand on it and press shift+> to move down a level.

The new level is randomly created when you first step into it and will never exist the same way in another game. Some levels have a fixed layout to do quests (like medusas, the mines town, the castle etc) but those only start after lvl 5.

2. Find food.
One of the challenges in early game is to not starve, so just running around looking for % symbols for food and collecting it is a valid strategy. a food ration gives nutrition for ~500 turns.
You can eat corpses of killed monsters too which is advised but also dangerous because of various side effects. Also eat those corpses within ~40 turns since they will rot and give you food poison.

3. Slay monsters.
To level up experience and get food or random death drop items or the inventory they had, you need to kill monsters.
For that just step into them, you will hit them with your #wield ed weapon.
Since you have a pet cat or dog with a nice AI it is advised to let it kill the more difficult monsters for you. It is a special challenge to keep it at your side and feed it with corpse so it will do so more reliably.

4. Item identifying.
The hardest part of nethack is that every item is randomized in its appearance at game start.
Regardless you learned that a potion of healing gives 10-20 points precious health points back by quaffing it, it will apear as pink, yellow, golden, smoky etc. potion randomly.
The danger is, the green unidentified potion you #quaff to test id it could as well be a potion of polymorph, turning you randomly into e.g a dragon or newt for 500 turns.

That should do for the first hours of dying.
If you really tried, just hook me up with detailed questions if the wiki does not help.

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Wow, thanks. It just seems like there is a danger here. I may get hooked on that game. I asked for these Mario kind jumping and Rambo kind shooting games just because I can play randomly and not get hooked. They do not interest me enough but are just some easy access away from this reality.Nethack sees it is another reality and it may force you to stay there because it makes you to use your brains and challenges them.

But thanks for everybody of your tips and instructions. I think I now have enough for now: SuperTux and Frogatti, some puzzle games from mr_pingu, installed some other random games to try. And now nethack as something tempting but not yet daring to enter in.

Still pinball is what I miss the most. And the other is the old game where you move on the bottom of the screen a plate/line and use it to bump a ball to a coloured wall and try to get rid of that wall and sometimes you can get many ball goi around destroing that wall. I think I played it with my friends C64/128 but can't remember the name. That and pinball are games to play on a train or bus or bed at home.

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And Numptyphysics, Nobody?
It,s kind of kind of pinball thouh... haem...ok.

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Just installed Numpty and tried. Awesome! Thanks. So far Vexed, pool and Numpty are top three for me.

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@Maemish

I am a huge pinball fan (real and virtual) and even own a virtual pinball cabinet. I think you should forget about installing a homebrew version. They are just not that much fun and are usually pretty demanding as well.
My advise would be to install picodrive emulator and get the psycho pinball rom. That is imho one of the best virtual pinball games on any console.

It has good physics, pretty accurate aiming (so you need skill not luck), very nice table lay-outs and fun ruleset and even nudging. Psycho table gives access to 3 other tables. Really fun.
Works fine on the N900, just played a decent game without sound (score 44.660.270). Not a lot of glitches or frameskips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6XmzC_SHU0

Genesis has 100's of games so you can check the library for other types of games as well.

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My mum used to be working in the place they make and program these money making machines. Every year they had a family day when we were able to go the factory, play all the games for free and race with electric cars they have in amusement parks. Untill I was 8 I had my own jukebox in my room. But then we moved from a flat to our own big house and funny, my mother said we don't anymore have room to that dust collector jukebox. And when her working place moved they sold all kinds of games and jukeboxes and pinball machines and old computers in a minimum price for workers - and my mom didn't tell me cause "they just collect dust". I have to say I was sometime on a really bad mood after that. I could have got jukeboxes, pinball machines, all coins games and old computers.

When I was working in that factory for summer (cutting with a pedal cutter led wires shorter - working like a machine) they had these poker games there. One man asked if I wanted to play and gave me handfulls 5mark coins which they used for testing. I started to play and was like whaaat? The poker game had only hearts and then you could have also straight or full house or 4 aces. So to start doubling from hearts and fullhouse with a maximum bet you started from 250marks. And the sound of the machine raising for double was insane because of the amounts. The highest double I made was 5 or 7 thousand.

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I installed Picodrive, downloaded the psycho pinball and - now I have a pinball! But I have also a problem. Was I aloud to do what I just did in under less than a minute? So am I really aloud to use these roms which I can just download from there? If I am aloud and these other emulators works as well as Picodive - I think I need a bigger sdcard.

I have never been so much into gaming. As a kid yes when I visited my friend, but I didin't have a pc. I bought gameboy when I was 16 I think and played tetris with it. Played so much that got problems: had in college a math exam, looked the paper and thought this is easy. If I turn that clause that way and drop it there then that other clause fits there and... I had being doing that for some time in my mind before understood that I have to calculate, not just turn and drop these.

But yes, haven't really think too much of gaming ever and later started to think it is waste of time. I valued only things that matter and drove my self in a situation where I have been for years: no right for resting or focusing something not worth it. Well I ended up in a panic state some weeks ago and it took three weeks to tget over it. Now I'm fine again, actually better than ever: I don't have stress, I'm not anymore in a rush, and if I close my eyes there is empty instead of stressing videos going on and different projects and tasks urging my attention. And now at last I can value games. I can play games without guilt of doing something pointless and I like this state of mind a lot.

But because I'm a bit moral person I have to deal with that legal side before jumping for joy and diving into the games. Any opinions or advices and the most important side: facts?