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eefo 2011-06-13 14:44

The future of Mobile technology
 
OMG :O
just OMG , saw this video on facebook , thought to share this OMG video :P


http://vimeo.com/24428205

viic 2011-06-13 14:51

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i should write only:
OMG
but the message was too short

eefo 2011-06-13 14:52

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who cares about the message when the video is tooo awesome :P

kanishou 2011-06-13 15:36

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Funny, I was just thinking about that a lot (future mobile technology), and was imagining pretty much the same things.

I believe that our "phones" of the future are going to be true multi-purpose devices (even more so than they already are), with form factors based on convenience rather than technical necessity.

Especially with NFC, so many things become possible: Your phone/multi-card-thingy can entirely replace your wallet by being your ID, your cash, and your credit card. The key to everything, up to your bicycle lock. Your bus pass. Your airplane or concert ticket. Almost everything will be "touchable" to receive interactive information. Authentication shouldn't require more than your fingerprint. Anything captured or heard can be translated on the fly.

There is no need for physical buttons, as gestures, touch, and voice are perfectly suitable substitutes.

Essentially, I believe that future devices will be more and more designed to remove distractions and clutter from daily life, and shift our attention away from the gadgets and back towards actual life. We are already well on our way there, but not everyone is seeing it yet.

The iPhone certainly made the biggest step into that direction, but if you ask me, the new MeeGo device is going to be the closest yet to that reality. Of course this is just the beginning, and this is why I love technology. I find such visions so much more exciting than squabbling over software development ideologies or remote administration of servers via SSH.

So whether it will be Apple, Microsoft, or Open Source technology that will get us there... I really couldn't care less. Let's just make it happen!

Texrat 2011-06-13 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1028290)
There is no need for physical buttons, as gestures, touch, and voice are perfectly suitable substitutes.

Some of us still want buttons. We want the tactile feel of something solid for some uses, something that should not wear out as fast as touchscreens tend to.

Of course, smart cell phone manufacturers will enable a peripheral ecosystem around their devices. Slide-on game controller sleeves for example.

9000 2011-06-13 15:43

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In the end she left that mobile device at home and enjoy her walk under sunset. The message is so subtle: this damn device is hard to use and no fun.

kanishou 2011-06-13 16:10

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Or: There are more important things in life than gadgets.

danramos 2011-06-13 22:46

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I miss my D-pad. *sniff*

jperez2009 2011-06-13 23:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1028522)
I miss my D-pad. *sniff*

I couldn't agree more. I miss my N810...

Sopwith 2011-06-13 23:10

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All this talk about "intuitive" and "gestures" is baloney. Buttons are discrete and achieve a pre-determined outcome. They are predictable and reliable. Making devices more "humanized" means making them less reliable as well.

Sometimes I wish humans had buttons.

ericsson 2011-06-13 23:14

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I guess there is no place for me in the future. I want a solid device with HW qwerty.

Radicalz38 2011-06-14 01:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 1028535)
All this talk about "intuitive" and "gestures" is baloney. Buttons are discrete and achieve a pre-determined outcome. They are predictable and reliable. Making devices more "humanized" means making them less reliable as well.

Sometimes I wish humans had buttons.

Humans do have buttons. Belly button that is :D

Sopwith 2011-06-14 03:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Radicalz38 (Post 1028602)
Humans do have buttons. Belly button that is :D

I can think of a few more buttons that I like to push... the results are VERY variable though, depending on the owner of the buttons (and her mood). :D

GeraldKo 2011-06-14 03:47

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I just don't have the patience for a nearly content-free, soft-porn ad like this!

Hurrian 2011-06-14 04:16

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Unless tactile tech advances, there is no way the touchpad on the back is going to fly.

Also, it still isn't seamless - you still need to reach out and grab the thing. It's tiny too, so misplacing it is a real problem.

Anyone here watched the anime Dennou Coil? Basically, what was featured were glasses that you could interface with using your mind. Screw buttons, when I can use gestures and thoughts to communicate!

danramos 2011-06-14 09:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 1028625)
I just don't have the patience for a nearly content-free, soft-porn ad like this!

Senator Anthony Wiener is all over the news lately! :P

Kangal 2011-06-14 09:38

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I rather have a SnakEye3 like on MGS4!

It should be like a smartphone, only that its also a really cool eye patch/glasses/Ironman helmet thingy which can also double up as a saiyan scouter.

vvaz 2011-06-14 09:53

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Bleh, cute but hard to use with one hand - and more specifically one thumb.

Check for example scene of street when she looks on the map for first time. She has here trolley and have to leave it unattended to grab device in two hands to use maps.

Temporal 2011-06-14 09:57

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Not enough. Needs a scanner to detect what the things I put it on are made of and zoom level I want (particles? Molecules? Everyday Names? Look for pathogens? etc...). And I'm being serious.

AND there's one little thing: Some of the things shown in the video (like the 20 min thingy) could be achieved, in my mind in 2 ways:
1)Everything in the world would have to have some kind of pattern to be easily recognized by the phone, otherwise anytime I put it on some numbers it would start clocking;
OR
Some chip put in the brain charged by the chemistry in the body(just like the cells) that can only send (not receive) commands to make any phone not need this worldly "patternization" of things.



But with the last, IF allowed input, we would not need a phone then, depending on how powerful the implant may be.

kanishou 2011-06-14 10:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vvaz (Post 1028768)
Bleh, cute but hard to use with one hand - and more specifically one thumb.

Check for example scene of street when she looks on the map for first time. She has here trolley and have to leave it unattended to grab device in two hands to use maps.

Use your imagination. :) I see this as a vision, not a prototype. Many of the use cases indeed look cumbersome compared to current methods, but I don't think that was the point of the video at all.

The vision is that mobile devices integrate into our lives, rather than taking us away from it. That doesn't mean we have to give up one-handed use. Or zero-handed for that matter. :P

RobbieThe1st 2011-06-14 10:18

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I dunno... I think the most interesting part of the video was at 00:36 - the Fanuc CNC control(It's 3 axis, and if those numbers are to be believed, that's one *huge* machine it's controlling).

What I kept seeing throughout the video was the device being slow. Watch it again if you don't believe me: She touches it, and it takes a good second or two to respond. That's SLOW. If that's the concept, I don't want to see what the real device is.

Also, the other thing is that the fonts were all too big, and it didn't seem practical at all - Take the 'rental car' scene for example: The two women stuck the two devices together to get more screen space. Erm... a pinch gesture and some scrolling should have taken care of that in about.. .5 seconds. But instead, you use someone else's device to get more space. *sigh*.


I dunno... I refuse to give up my keyboard, and I don't *want* a toy device. I want a full computer in the palm of my hand, and all that entails. who *cares* if it looks "cool" or blends in?

Texrat 2011-06-14 17:38

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yup, those Fanucs can get big!

BigBadGuber! 2011-06-14 17:53

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PERSONALIZED PHONE/COMPUTER

NOKIA should start a personalized store where you can design and construct your own device from the colors to the RAMs. Now that will be a cool thing.

geneven 2011-06-14 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1028748)
Senator Anthony Wiener is all over the news lately! :P

a) Not Senator

b) Weiner

wmarone 2011-06-14 18:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1028290)
So whether it will be Apple, Microsoft, or Open Source technology that will get us there... I really couldn't care less. Let's just make it happen!

You should care, because only one of those puts capability into YOUR hands, while all the others strive very hard to lock you in a box and take capability away from you.

It'll happen, of this I have no doubt. But I don't want it to happen in such a way that the end result is extremely restrictive and designed in ways centered entirely around what brings in the most money.

danramos 2011-06-14 20:36

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1029104)
a) Not Senator

b) Weiner

Representative Anthony Weiner, Democrat from New York. :) Although I made genuine errors, I'm impressed that someone paid attention enough to notice I had mistyped Rep. Anthony Weiner's last name. Also, now I have to wonder if this thread will show up somewhere in a Google search because Anthony Weiner's name is being mentioned repeatedly. heh

momcilo 2011-06-14 21:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1028292)
Some of us still want buttons. We want the tactile feel of something solid for some uses, something that should not wear out as fast as touchscreens tend to.

Of course, smart cell phone manufacturers will enable a peripheral ecosystem around their devices. Slide-on game controller sleeves for example.

This reminded me of entry scene in Odyssey 2001: A Space Odyssey

danramos 2011-06-14 21:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1029229)
This reminded me of entry scene in Odyssey 2001: A Space Odyssey

Er... you mean: 2001: A Space Odyssey

No need to be redundant. i.e. Automated Teller Machine (ATM) machine or, the biggest mortal sin of all, Windows Phone 7 phone.

momcilo 2011-06-14 21:21

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1029233)
Er... you mean: 2001: A Space Odyssey

No need to be redundant. i.e. Automated Teller Machine (ATM) machine or, the biggest mortal sin of all, Windows Phone 7 phone.

My error, I was typing when I got interrupted... You've seen the result, but please don't fix it for me (ya) :D

Hootenholler 2011-06-14 21:22

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1029233)
No need to be redundant. i.e. Automated Teller Machine (ATM) machine or, the biggest mortal sin of all, Windows Phone 7 phone.

The one that always bugs me is when people say "PIN Number"

As for the "concept" phone... pish.

ericsson 2011-06-14 21:24

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Originally Posted by Hootenholler (Post 1029241)
The one that always bugs me is when people say "PIN Number"

As for the "concept" phone... pish.

PIN Number PIN Number PIN Number PIN Number


Bugger :D

danramos 2011-06-14 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1029239)
My error, I was typing when I got interrupted... You've seen the result, but please don't fix it for me (ya) :D

You should have invested in a HAL9000 grammar and spell checker. I hear they're flawless, perfect in every way and cannot possibly have any errors.

Sopwith 2011-06-14 22:42

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Another common redundant expression: CD disk.

danramos 2011-06-14 22:46

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Is this to be the future of mobile technology? Is it to be that history repeats itself? Redudant redundancies? Well, at least this time around Microsoft doesn't have all the cards stacked against everyone else like they did during the PC desktop/laptop era. This is finally turning into the kind of evolution we SHOULD have had, instead of the sad, depressing, crying shame we ended up with during the Windows/Intel era. Perhaps it's not history repeating itself, then, so much as a history do-over?

ericsson 2011-06-14 23:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1029279)
Is this to be the future of mobile technology? Is it to be that history repeats itself? Redudant redundancies? Well, at least this time around Microsoft doesn't have all the cards stacked against everyone else like they did during the PC desktop/laptop era. This is finally turning into the kind of evolution we SHOULD have had, instead of the sad, depressing, crying shame we ended up with during the Windows/Intel era. Perhaps it's not history repeating itself, then, so much as a history do-over?

It is not Microsoft fault that no one was/is able to make anything better. Besides, I have had smartphones for ages already, and right now I cannot find a worthy replacement for my aging N900 even though the shops have zillions of different smartphones. I guess good old Microsoft/Nokia will come to rescue eventually, at least I hope so.

danramos 2011-06-15 05:48

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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1029293)
It is not Microsoft fault that no one was/is able to make anything better. Besides, I have had smartphones for ages already, and right now I cannot find a worthy replacement for my aging N900 even though the shops have zillions of different smartphones. I guess good old Microsoft/Nokia will come to rescue eventually, at least I hope so.

I believe that nobody mastered coercion and software racketeering quite like Microsoft, alright! I think most people would agree that it certainly wasn't because the SOFTWARE was better. As I recall, everybody has had ample opportunity to meet General Protection Fault at one point or another in their lives. Sometimes many times in the same day.

Myesss. I'm sure Nokia will work FAMOUSLY with Microsoft. Famously. :P heheh

Temporal 2011-06-15 05:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1029293)
It is not Microsoft fault that no one was/is able to make anything better. (...)

Would you mind to tell me what do you know/remember about cases like ICQ vs MSN or Netscape vs Internet Explorer?

ericsson 2011-06-15 07:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Temporal (Post 1029394)
Would you mind to tell me what do you know/remember about cases like ICQ vs MSN or Netscape vs Internet Explorer?

My first computer was the Commodore 64 (still have it), yes I am ancient :D What happened was the IBM PC being cloned and DOS being the only OS available. There were lots of other alternatives for personal computers, the Amiga for instance, but none could not compete with the clones. The fact that MS DOS was the OS was more of an coincident than anything else. The cloning of the IBM PC created an ecosystem of hardware manufactorers, and it was that ecosystem that killed off all competition, Microsoft was merely on for the ride.

I remember the first Internet Explorer. It was better than Netscape, but lacked functionality. In general Netscape sucked, slow and fluffy, it is only in recent days that Firefox has become good.

It is a long time yet before the mobile industry reach a similar state, it probably never will. The dynamics of the mobile industry will also affect the PC industry and change it drastically. This has already been going on for some time now but it will take time. This dynamic is the only reason closed systems like Apple can survive and why Android never will be the only one. The mobile industry is way to large and mobile computers are too personal, design and looks is a major factor - fashion comes into the equation.

kanishou 2011-06-15 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1029391)
I believe that nobody mastered coercion and software racketeering quite like Microsoft, alright! I think most people would agree that it certainly wasn't because the SOFTWARE was better. As I recall, everybody has had ample opportunity to meet General Protection Fault at one point or another in their lives. Sometimes many times in the same day.

Myesss. I'm sure Nokia will work FAMOUSLY with Microsoft. Famously. :P heheh

Microsoft was there at the right time, with the right piece of software. It was good enough and put Microsoft into a good position, which they occasionally have abused (or at least gone to the limits of what can be considered ethical).

However, the Microsoft of today has excellent software teams and is also making an effort to avoid PR disasters like those which happened before. They are a company like everyone else, they make mistakes, they learn, they change.

The anti-Microsoft stance expressed by some may be understandable to some extend, but often borders on the childish.

If there is a "big bully" in today's market, then it's Apple. And Google is to the mobile market what Microsoft was to the PC market: Cheap, good enough, and spreading incredibly fast. We cannot allow a single operating system to become as pervasive as Windows was on the PC, and that is why Windows Phone 7 is not the bad guy in this race. Yes Android may technically be Open Source, but we know very well that it is still tightly controlled by Google.

Competition is good and healthy, even if it is proprietary and comes from Microsoft.

danramos 2011-06-15 23:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1029481)
Microsoft was there at the right time, with the right piece of software. It was good enough and put Microsoft into a good position, which they occasionally have abused (or at least gone to the limits of what can be considered ethical).

However, the Microsoft of today has excellent software teams and is also making an effort to avoid PR disasters like those which happened before. They are a company like everyone else, they make mistakes, they learn, they change.

The anti-Microsoft stance expressed by some may be understandable to some extend, but often borders on the childish.

If there is a "big bully" in today's market, then it's Apple. And Google is to the mobile market what Microsoft was to the PC market: Cheap, good enough, and spreading incredibly fast. We cannot allow a single operating system to become as pervasive as Windows was on the PC, and that is why Windows Phone 7 is not the bad guy in this race. Yes Android may technically be Open Source, but we know very well that it is still tightly controlled by Google.

Competition is good and healthy, even if it is proprietary and comes from Microsoft.

I can't agree Microsoft has excellent software teams while their management and business decisions ruin them or hold them back from doing their best every time. But, I can certainly agree with your premise that competition is a positive outcomes whether it's proprietary or open, even when it comes from Microsoft--however, the point I've been making is that competition hasn't always been allowed to occur through their coercive and subversive methods (often kept secret through NDA's made even with vendors).

For the record: I still have my Commodore 64, too. And a Commodore 64c. And an Atari 400, an Atari 800XL, Atari 1200XL, Amiga 500, Atari 1040STe, IBM green-screen terminal, etc.etc. Does that lend me MORE credence, somehow? :P


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