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larux 2011-05-11 17:44

The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Wow! You should really check this! It seems that "santaclaus" is finally coming: wirelessgoodness.com/2011/05/11/nokias-n9-meego-smartphone-hits-the-fcc/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

EDIT: Added smileys: :D:D:D:D:D:D

azkay 2011-05-11 17:56

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Looks like ill be sticking with my N900 for awhile, then.

I think the N9 looks ugly.

tomchiverton 2011-05-11 18:04

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
You know what ? I might just buy this. Even as a dead-end end-of-line product, the geek in me *wants*.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....fsn97c2106.jpg

richwhite 2011-05-11 18:08

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
It's going to be a tough call for me for sure. I was intending on getting a WP7 Nokia, use the N900 with my work SIM and divert calls to the WP7, so that i have all the benefits of the N900 and a primary phone on top. This confuses the issue no end... i don't really want another unsupported OS but i do want it too. Have to see how good it is hardware wise and what Nokia have to say about supporting it and what people think of it.

ETA: looks like Elop was full of crap when he said MeeGo wasn't far enough along - odds are this will be out before WP7 devices. I know it's not actual MeeGo, but damn, it is a high end OS that presumably can be upgraded to full MeeGo when the time is right

droitwichgas 2011-05-11 18:09

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Have Nokia serously just dusted off a 12 month old device as there first meego phone, which looks just like the E7 anyway? Lets hope the hardware insdie has been updated or otherwise sellig the rumoured 92K units maybe difficult for Nokia.

tomchiverton 2011-05-11 18:13

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 1004332)
Have to see how good it is hardware wise and what Nokia have to say about supporting it and what people think of it.

I expect the design will be awesome - Nokia have always been good there. Why MIcrosoft would let Nokia carry on producing and supporting a non-Microsoft operating system I have no idea.
I can only assume there is a legal reason for producing a MeeGo phone, maybe something between Nokia and Intel. But Nokia have dumped everything else (even QT (to a company noone has ever heard of) and Nokia Maps (to replace Bing maps in Windows mobile) ) like a hot potato.

stickymick 2011-05-11 18:13

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 1004332)
i don't really want another unsupported OS but i do want it too.t

Don't forget, MeeGo is not solely a Nokia venture. We could still have access to updates etc from Intel for example.

Looks like an all metal case to me. Keypad looks a little out of the norm too with the Ctrl key where it is.

Hope they do it in black. Might consider it then.

tomchiverton 2011-05-11 18:19

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
It looks a lot like the E7 hardware to me: http://www.nokia.co.uk/search?wsid=1...0&GO.x=0&qt=e7
which is perfectly fine.

wmarone 2011-05-11 18:21

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1004336)
Don't forget, MeeGo is not solely a Nokia venture. We could still have access to updates etc from Intel for example.

Don't forget that this is not MeeGo. It's Harmattan, which is Maemo with the MeeGo APIs. However they will be porting the MeeGo DE to the device, which could be used as a very good basis for a community supported platform (especially if the MeeGo project has rights to rebuild/redistribute any non-open bits.)

But any buy would happen ONLY if the above were true AND it significantly exceeded the N900's capabilities.

richwhite 2011-05-11 18:24

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1004336)
Don't forget, MeeGo is not solely a Nokia venture. We could still have access to updates etc from Intel for example.

.

Yes i've wondered about that, so it could be interesting to see how this unfolds. Maybe hear next week?
But as this isn't a true MeeGo phone but is Harmattan, maybe it won't receive the updates. Have to see. If it can do what the N900 can do but with updated hardware and can receive MeeGo updates from Intel, i will want it.

evan 2011-05-11 18:25

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
checking those fcc papers, they mention the bl-4d 1200mah battery, while those pics of last summer mentioned an unknown 1320mah bv-4d battery.

wmarone 2011-05-11 18:28

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Though the FCC listing is interesting, as it gives us a date we can actually see things:

Exhibit Type File Type File Size Description Submission Date Permanent
Confidential Short-Term Confidential Date Available
External Photos Adobe Acrobat PDF 537150 external photos 05/10/2011 No Yes 06/24/2011
Internal Photos Adobe Acrobat PDF 1720041 internal photos 05/10/2011 No Yes 06/24/2011

mrsellout 2011-05-11 18:28

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
The FCC papers mention the BL-4D battery used in the N8, E7, N97 and E5. But this is a downgrade in terms of capacity from 1320mAh on the n900's BL-5J to 1200mAH. I hope they managed to hone the power consumption on this device.

richwhite 2011-05-11 18:30

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1004347)
The FCC papers mention the BL-4D battery used in the N8, E7, N97 and E5. But this is a downgrade in terms of capacity from 1320mAh on the n900's BL-5J to 1200mAH. I hope they managed to hone the power consumption on this device.

Well the N8 has far superior battery life to the N900 and N97 and even 5800

jessi3k3 2011-05-11 18:47

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 1004333)
Have Nokia serously just dusted off a 12 month old device as there first meego phone, which looks just like the E7 anyway? Lets hope the hardware insdie has been updated or otherwise sellig the rumoured 92K units maybe difficult for Nokia.

This is exactly how I feel. We're talking about perhaps early 2010-late 2009 hardware in mid 2011. (From the maemo summit in 09, the hardware may have already been finalized after that) The hardware will be outdated upon release, but at the state at which technology improves, what hardware isnt already outdated?

zehjotkah 2011-05-11 19:00

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jessi3k3 (Post 1004359)
This is exactly how I feel. We're talking about perhaps early 2010-late 2009 hardware in mid 2011. (From the maemo summit in 09, the hardware may have already been finalized after that) The hardware will be outdated upon release, but at the state at which technology improves, what hardware isnt already outdated?

wait with judging until you see the hardware.

Cthulhu 2011-05-11 19:08

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
At one time there were rumors that the N9 had been cancelled, so hopefully they ditched the 2009/2010 internal HW and updated it to current standards and kept the slick casing/external HW. That design with a powerful dual-core CPU, a likewise powerful GPU and plenty of memory would be sweet.

I just can't make up my mind wether I want to give Nokia any money at all out of fear that it goes towards their M$ winblows fail 7 endeavours. Buying their Harmattan/MeeGo phone might send them a signal about customer preferences, though.

cfh11 2011-05-11 19:12

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
the following will be necessary for me to consider buying:

1) HW keyboard
2) qHD display
3) A modern processor (pref. dual core) and GPU with plenty of RAM
4) Screen size of at least 4"

tomchiverton 2011-05-11 19:41

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Who cares about how many cores or a discrete GPU ? If it runs smooth and can drive a HDMI display without looking stupid, it's good.

1 and 2 would be a given for the N9 I guess.

As to giving Nokia money... yeah, I worry it'll end up funding MS crap, but otoh if I buy a nice Linux device from them and then never any MS stuff, that does indeed send a message.

cheve 2011-05-11 19:54

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 1004372)
the following will be necessary for me to consider buying:

1) HW keyboard
2) qHD display
3) A modern processor (pref. dual core) and GPU with plenty of RAM
4) Screen size of at least 4"

plus official USB host mode support; otherwise, for my use case, it would be almost no difference than my current N900

RWFarley 2011-05-11 19:59

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1004347)
The FCC papers mention the BL-4D battery used in the N8, E7, N97 and E5. But this is a downgrade in terms of capacity from 1320mAh on the n900's BL-5J to 1200mAH. I hope they managed to hone the power consumption on this device.

So long as it's user swappable I'm still in the game. I have 3 batteries and if I'm not at work, I'll always use at least two....

richwhite 2011-05-11 20:01

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
I would be surprised if this had lower media specs than the N8, which would be HDMI, usb OTG, fm transmitter, outstanding camera, HD recording and so on. I don't care if it's dual core this or that, sure it'll be compared to the SG2 but Nokia excel at having lower processors because the OSs actually run well - if it doesn't need 1.2GHz to run, i'll be pleased with the extra battery life.

I'd like to be as open as Maemo 5 but more mainstream consumer friendly too. Sadly, though, i can't see this getting too much promotion from Nokia

Stonik 2011-05-11 20:02

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
From mynokiablog.org:

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/up...02-600x584.jpg
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/11/no...rom-last-year/

And also:

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/up...50-600x291.jpg
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/11/ru...g-this-summer/

RWFarley 2011-05-11 20:05

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 1004372)
the following will be necessary for me to consider buying:

1) HW keyboard
2) qHD display
3) A modern processor (pref. dual core) and GPU with plenty of RAM
4) Screen size of at least 4"

Hear hear! Add a Compass and my check list is almost complete!

wmarone 2011-05-11 20:16

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tomchiverton (Post 1004403)
Who cares about how many cores or a discrete GPU ? If it runs smooth and can drive a HDMI display without looking stupid, it's good.

Lots of people care about those, and now that the market has a number available then releasing old hardware just makes you look bad.

With luck, they've reused the chassis but updated the guts. I hope so, OMAP3 will be a joke otherwise.

jah25 2011-05-11 20:20

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Woohoo, finally! I'm most likely buyin if it's out by July.

tissot 2011-05-11 20:23

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 1004426)
Lots of people care about those, and now that the market has a number available then releasing old hardware just makes you look bad.

With luck, they've reused the chassis but updated the guts. I hope so, OMAP3 will be a joke otherwise.

I'm very surprised that RM-680 is still coming out. FCC talks about RM-680_3. that version was running on the mailing lists about the time the pic of RM-680 leaked. TI workforce where everywhere on the mailing lists just like on the previous versions of RM-680.

Dsmobile from MR forums is saying that he is still certain that we wont see RM-680, but the qwertyless, Lankku.

larux 2011-05-11 20:26

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Found hints abt keyboard:

Quote:

The device has internal antennas for both cellular and WLAN use. The cellular antenna is located
at the bottom in the back section of the keypad slide. The WLAN antenna is located at the top in
the back section of the keypad slide
GOOD! Keyboard is #1 factor besides community why I still use this excellent piece of technology called N900

:D:D:D

IsaacDFP 2011-05-11 20:33

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
One of all, wow, you guys are fast, lol, i just heard about the news and came here.
Secondly, I am confused... what is the (rumored) difference between the N9 (which I thought was originally no longer in existence) and the N950 (which was officially "mentioned") ?
And I believe no matter how good the OS optimization is, it must have a minimum of 64GB storage, dual-core, a great gpu and lots of ram. Because knowing the community, we are gonna abuse this device, lol. I, for one, will research so much into making it run multiple OSes.

charbar 2011-05-11 20:44

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
seems so easy to jump on any flaws already!

im just glad something is actually brewing and we're hearing more about an actual device as opposed to rumors. here's to hoping its indeed a meego device

droitwichgas 2011-05-11 20:44

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1004435)
One of all, wow, you guys are fast, lol, i just heard about the news and came here.
Secondly, I am confused... what is the (rumored) difference between the N9 (which I thought was originally no longer in existence) and the N950 (which was officially "mentioned") ?
And I believe no matter how good the OS optimization is, it must have a minimum of 64GB storage, dual-core, a great gpu and lots of ram. Because knowing the community, we are gonna abuse this device, lol. I, for one, will research so much into making it run multiple OSes.

Sounds like the N9 & the N950 are one and the same device now.

As far as your spec is concerned think about this logically is Elop going to allow the Nokia meego device be far superior to anything running M$ in a few moths time, that would be a marketing disaster for nokia & M$?

Looking on the bright side for any N900 users the nearer the spec to our phones the better as we should then be able to run Meego OS apps etc made for the new device

richwhite 2011-05-11 20:48

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 1004446)
Sounds like the N9 & the N950 are one and the same device now.

As far as your spec is concerned think about this logically is Elop going to allow the Nokia meego device be far superior to anything running M$ in a few moths time, that would be a marketing disaster for nokia & M$?

Looking on the bright side for any N900 users the nearer the spec to our phones the better as we should then be able to run Meego OS apps etc made for the new device

Elop will still want to make returns on the device though, and there is no reason why the above specs cannot be included for a WP7 device i.e. those specs don't have to be superior to WP7 at all

mikecomputing 2011-05-11 20:51

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tomchiverton (Post 1004335)
I expect the design will be awesome - Nokia have always been good there. Why MIcrosoft would let Nokia carry on producing and supporting a non-Microsoft operating system I have no idea.
I can only assume there is a legal reason for producing a MeeGo phone, maybe something between Nokia and Intel. But Nokia have dumped everything else (even QT (to a company noone has ever heard of) and Nokia Maps (to replace Bing maps in Windows mobile) ) like a hot potato.


Wrong OviMaps will MERGE with Microsoft. Thats one of the reason Microsoft was soo desperate. Microsoft needs that.


Sold QT what the hell are you talking about? Link please?

BigBadGuber! 2011-05-11 20:53

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
This phone will be the stuff of legends!

mikecomputing 2011-05-11 21:02

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 1004339)
Don't forget that this is not MeeGo. It's Harmattan, which is Maemo with the MeeGo APIs. However they will be porting the MeeGo DE to the device, which could be used as a very good basis for a community supported platform (especially if the MeeGo project has rights to rebuild/redistribute any non-open bits.)

But any buy would happen ONLY if the above were true AND it significantly exceeded the N900's capabilities.

I am sure most of the libs and UI in harmattan willl be released for Meego.

Except those "apps" that is not allowed to be opensourced. But I dont see them as "Harmattan core" anyway.

I am expecting a Nokia:s "Qt-components for Meego" in the GIT repository in about two weeks from now. And that means Harmattan in the most is already merged too meego IF intel(and the community) allows them too add it to Meego 1.3.

mikecomputing 2011-05-11 21:05

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 1004342)
Yes i've wondered about that, so it could be interesting to see how this unfolds. Maybe hear next week?
But as this isn't a true MeeGo phone but is Harmattan, maybe it won't receive the updates. Have to see. If it can do what the N900 can do but with updated hardware and can receive MeeGo updates from Intel, i will want it.

Intel is for sure not intrested to support that one. Remember Intel is a HW manufactor and if this rumors are true Nxx is ARM based so why would Intel bother support Nxx?

droitwichgas 2011-05-11 21:15

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 1004450)
Elop will still want to make returns on the device though, and there is no reason why the above specs cannot be included for a WP7 device i.e. those specs don't have to be superior to WP7 at all

Not sure Elop does want to make a return, if he does why do it so low key, I sense he is just doing it because it is part of the Intel agreement or Nokia insis he does in case they fall out with him & M$.

Assuming Meego os is an improvement on maemo os then I can see it being a far superior os to WP7 running on similar hardware. If not we may as well just by a WP7 device anyway as no doubt it will have far greater support.

larux 2011-05-11 21:15

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/n...ontent=Twitter

Quote:

Last we heard, the Nokia N9 rode Stephen Elop's burning platform into the sunset, never to be seen again. Today, there's a FCC filing that begs to differ. Wireless Goodness spotted that RM-680 in the always-helpful government database, where it claims support for six cellular frequencies as well as Bluetooth and 2.4GHz 802.11 b/g/n WiFi -- enough to appear on most any GSM carrier, to say nothing of AT&T and T-Mobile. Will the MeeGo-packing QWERTY-sliding hardware that Eldar Murtazin called "near perfect" appear in the US or Canada one day? We don't think it's terribly likely, but if it comes with a dash of Windows Phone 7 on board, we can't promise not to jump for joy. See the full list of bands after the break.
:D:D
King is back!

MINKIN2 2011-05-11 21:21

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larux (Post 1004433)
Found hints abt keyboard:



GOOD! Keyboard is #1 factor besides community why I still use this excellent piece of technology called N900

:D:D:D

+1 for keyboard hints. Looking at their Test 1 sheet, they have tested and passed the device in all manner of postitions, even in Flipped/Open state...
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApp...tml?id=1462095

mikecomputing 2011-05-11 21:23

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 1004426)
Lots of people care about those, and now that the market has a number available then releasing old hardware just makes you look bad.

With luck, they've reused the chassis but updated the guts. I hope so, OMAP3 will be a joke otherwise.

Yes for the masses and idiots that buys "newest coolest specs" and Androids because of dualcore it "may look bad"

But fact is this handset can be more optimized for the CPU/GPU than new hardware with DualCore and so on. Are we even sure Android is optimized for those DualCores comming atm?

Personally I am perfecly fine with a small upgrade of the CPU/GPU.

As long as it has it has good HWkey, bigger screen and better batterytime and the MeegoHarmattan runs smothly like in the case of N900.

I mean N900 still can compete with some crap Androids released today.


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