[Council] By-Laws for Hildonfoundation
SD69 have updated bylaws document in order to publish it for community feedback. It is published here in full, for community members review, feedback and final acceptance.
This issue is blocker for several actions, including: - Elections for next Council/Board of Directors, we'd like to use one single voting for both elections and Bylaws approval - Legal entity, that will took place after elections. It is by all means not a final document, and only a suggestion from the current Council for establising a legal entity to continue the Maemo society. Therefore the feedback after review is necessary from community members and a final acceptance of the community is needed in order to establish a legal entity to be responsible for carrying out the Maemo.org infrastructure. RevisedHildonFoundationBylaws.docx Link: Original article. |
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Link to mailing list discussion. Please review it, as not every one will post his opinion in this thread.
I have also uploaded document in PDF version. |
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Well it looks ok to me but as I have no skills in this matter I may be wrong.
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It's a shame the document is in a proprietary format. It doesn't really follow the TMO/open source spirit.
Elop, is that you? Are you trying to infiltrate TMO now? EDIT: Sorry, just noticed that the document format has already been pointed out on the mailing list. |
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So can we please stop bickering about the container format now, and focus on the content? Realistically, we're not looking for someone to edit the document and send it back to us. Getting a hundred marked up copies of the document mailed to us with random changes and no discussion on what needs to be addressed or why those changes are important would be impossible to manage, and would leave the community out of the discussion. The important part is the discussion, not the edit-ability of the document. Said another way: It would be far more helpful if you opened it, read it, and made comments on the content instead of the container. The (open source) tools are easily available to do so... |
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After reading through it a few times, it seems fine, but I want to read it a few more times...
The Board shall have the authority to create community positions, such as but not limited to a Community Council and an Executive Director, and to appoint any community member in good standing to such positions or to allow for a vote of community members to fill such positions. I'm not a fan of this.... The board should be allowed to pick temporary community council members, but, it should not have the right to pick community council members and executive directors for long term. |
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This is a body representing all iterations of Maemo, up to and including Harmattan right, so why not a name that is more representative of that? II. Mission Quote:
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I see no need for the board to be able to appoint positions free of authorisation by the community, perhaps the council can explain why this is crucial? VII. Amendments Quote:
Also I see no mention of how many people are allowed to be on the Board for each 1yr term... VIII. Applicable Law Quote:
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I'm not sure if we should try to proceed under the name of maemo in any event since the reputation among the general public (not the informed and more knowledgeable community here) is that it is an old, obsolete and outdated software. |
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"The Maemo® operating system and Hildon user interface was originally developed by Nokia Corporation and used in several commercially available devices, including the N900 and the N9." It's true that the Swipe UI is very much closed but assuming that Harmattan is a derivative of Maemo, we could mention the device to clarify that the Harmattan iteration is also covered by the Hildon Foundation. |
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Different shades of that name could then be used to delineate the different iterations of Maemo? Then we can start naming all the infrastructure around that too... We can always move back to Maemo should Nokia allow us to use/license it, assuming the community prefers it to the newly adopted name. |
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N.B. we've not had the councils response to everything raised here (some have been addressed).
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We need to devise a name that embodies them all (can create secondary names to clearly delineate them if needed). Quote:
We could have one going for a short period, once a consensus is met* the council could then move to secure it. *& we know the name isn't already used in a problematic manner |
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IMO Maemo Community/Foundation would be better than Hildon Foundation...It would be more inclusive as well...
Hildon Foundation, I don't know why, just seems the same old elitist bunch of people doing their stuff...Just an honest opinion no attacks please... Edit: So would any name with Harmattan in it feel like; the new timers here to stage a coup... Edit 2: Just saw that Maemo is registered by Nokia from earlier posts...Sorry will think of another name and post back...(Maybe Meltemi Foundation since it was killed but no "fanatic" fan-following :p)... |
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I think that Aeolos foundation is an appropriate name. He was the king of all winds.
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I'm throwing in the following suggestion: "calima foundation"
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Or if you want to continue using names from finnish mythology in tradition of Maemo (Maaemo - mother earth), theres plenty of possible names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish...ds_and_spirits Might give some ideas. |
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I am a bit worried about the part "V. Meetings" as it does not in any way specify the type and place of the meetings, meaning if the meeting of the Board is to be physical or virtual.
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Please, this is not a thread to debate about the name. The domain maemo.org will be transferred by Nokia to the new legal entity, so the name is just a mere question of not using a trademark.
The important thing is the content of the document. |
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We need a name for the NFP entity that Maemo.org's changing to: add your suggestions! As you want to keep on topic, please see my last post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...21#post1260021 |
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Sorry folks - had both threads opened and posted on the wrong one. Too much coffee, combined with old age. |
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Please, use this thread to discuss about the content of the document not about fancy names.
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As mentioned previously, discuss naming scheme here:
We need a name for the NFP entity that Maemo.org's changing to: add your suggestions! This thread is for discussing the content of the by-laws document. |
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woody adding on from your post; shouldnt the power to change by-laws only lie with the community and not 75% board + 67% community?
Correct me if i'm wrong here... |
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Understand, Maemo is not itself a legal entity, but rather a loose trademark "club" operating under the ownership of Nokia. Because of that, we could make any rules or rule changes we wanted without limitation, so long as Nokia was willing to continue providing the legal and financial umbrella for the community. When forming a legal entity, one must follow the rules around establishing and maintaining those. This is, in fact, one of the many reasons we desire keeping Council separate from the Board, and have not suggested that one should replace the other. |
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I get it...its a necessary evil in other words...
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Few other things I've raised dont seem to have been addressed yet, but mostly addressed. Thanks for that, if any further questions will get back to your 1st thing Mon! |
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I'd like to see where it says it must be: 75% board or 75% board "+" 67% community consensus, not merely 67% community consensus. Quote:
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In addition, the initial Board has to formally accept by the Bylaws at its first meeting and abide by them forever after. It is unworkable that they should not participate in the amendment of the Bylaws. The law does not even recognize a "community council" - it is our own creation. If you want to suggest to increase or decrease the percentages of either the Board or the Community Council, then that can be considered and changed. Quote:
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Please find attached the latest revision of the bylaws. This has taken a lot of input from TMO, the mailing list, and private mailings to/between the Council into consideration.
We would really like to hear comments and get more input on this, as this is likely very close to the final cut of this document. (And yes, they're gzipped because the forum has a rather oddly-small size limit on PDF and doc files, and doesn't allow odt files at all...) |
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One clarification seeked with regards to:
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Can there be an addition that a Director may be replaced by the Board if the Director has deemed to conducted him/herself in a manner not in-line with the expected behaviour of a Board of Director including displaying flagrant lack of respect towards the Community who may call for a referrendum for the B.o.D to replace the said Director. |
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Oh and one more addition:
The Treasurer should at all times be a non-discharged bankrupt and not have any legal proceedings against him/her in any Country. Any legal proceedings especially those involving breaches of trust would lead to an automatic ejection from the B.o.D without requiring a vote from the B.o.D or a referendum from the Community. Withholding of any such information from the B.o.D would be considered a criminal breach of trust and proceedings may be taken out against said person. |
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I know I'm being picky here but I would like to put all this out before anyone cries foul:
With regards to the Membership section: If a member is expelled from the Foundation, he is given the right to have his appeal heard by the next elected Foundation Council and the next Foundation Council will be given powers to restate the said member. However, rejection by the next Foundation Council would mean no further appeals would be entertained. The Foundation Council's decision is hence final and binding. The above clause is so that if one Foundation Council abuses its power the next one is allowed to set things right. I don't forsee two consecutive Foundation Councils' abusing their powers to step on the rights of a member. Even then, a Community referendum can always be called in the most unlikliest of scenarios... |
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