Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

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My eyes hurt.

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

As a N900&N9 user I have never felt "lack of useful apps". On the contrary - predominant majority of Maemo 5&6 apps are USEFULL, when it is just the opposite with iOS&Android. The only thing lacking in app availability for Maemo 5&6 are apps build for big companies/services like BMW, Eurosport, Philips, Unicredit etc. They all do it just for iOS&Android.
But the community we are in is doing great job in filling those gaps!

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Also there are several projects doing that, both commercial and community.
Commercial projects have been demoed and work, but will never be release because such project is really light on copyright/patent grounds. On contrary to what you are saying, it is really a "sue me" bait. Plus you wouldn't be able to access the android market "legally" (amazon market maybe, depends on amazon).
Community projects are still in developpment, because of lack of ressources. As they don't make money and won't be incorporated into commercial products, they are much less of a legal target. It will come at some point, but probably not this year..

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...And no one sees to be seriously interested in Android ''apps" for simple reason - we have real programs, so we don't need "apps".

At the very beginning, I was planning to use Nitroid for access to Android things. Before I ever started to proceed, I realized, that there is no single thing in Android world, that interest me, and for what we don't have better and FOSS alternative.

If You lack programs, just install Easy Debian, it now comes with purely squeeze-based image.

/Estel

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what a load of BS - your head up your *** much ?

here is a hint - even the tech savy use iPhones and Android (Linus uses Android, and how many IT professionals use Android/Apple compared to N900?) - why ? are they all idiots and somehow YOU are the genius ? or maybe just PERHAPS they are doing it for a reason ?

The willingness to pull the wool over your own eyes astounds me - but then again cults exist everywhere, even in the FOSS world.

No wonder FOSS keeps getting its *** kicked in the mobile world - with a user base like you, who needs enemies ?

Disclaimer - FOSS is good, but to deny there are benefits to other platforms just shows how... bah nvm - its like talking to a wall.

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...what are the benefits of Android to YOU then? Please elaborate.

(And you can quote me: yes, i think most people are somewhat inept sheep with no interest into delving deeper technically, that use what their colleagues/friends/marketing overlords use/suggest/promote. Flashy over substantial. Simplicity for the Masses. "App" buckets for such remotely controlled, pure consumers.)

EDIT: Btw, I would not necessarily call someone an IT "Professional" if he/she sports an iDevice. Seen too many over the last 10 yrs; flashy but unsubstantial.

EDIT 2: ...the more i read the word "APP(s)" i want to vomit, or strangle someone on the streets.

EDIT 3: Did you never wonder why most people to some degree strictly adhere to what they are presented with in real life each and every week, instead of trying to (at least partly) "roll their own", which should fit them much better and their personal lifestyle?

Because, "they" are lazy*, uninterested ("it's too complicated", "it works for my friends/colleagues too", "it's not worth the effort, when i can have what's available"), because they like living a template life that to a huuuge degree is shaped by marketing, well-known multi-national corporations, their government, the people they associate with, etc. People often do even look alike in clothing, hairstyle, and other stuff like their silly body modifications! They even listen to similar/the same music or like the same kind of (popular) movies!

OMFG - we, that we really know what's all "out there", that we like to research, to compare, to evaluate, to learn, to decide by ourself, and that we "do it our way", we must be total socially inept, crazy f*ckers according to you!

People are (proven) copycats by nature. Most people could be even exchanged to some degree. Just _one_ reason why people choose too what other people have chosen, for electronics and other stuff in life.

* (we all are, to some degree - i, f.e., am way too lazy to order my receipts, papers, bills etc. - a relatively paperless home & office should be a true heaven for me!)

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Just to get some things straight:
What he had in mind was to write a good terminal emulator for his x86 computer to access his university's UNIX servers. When he realized that he had in fact written an operating system, which happened to be somehow Minix-compatible he released it. One of the reasons was that in his opinion Minix was too expensive for students. See: Linux is obsolete [1]
Afaik he never had in mind to write an OS because the ones that were out there were bloaty or buggy and if Minix or BSD had been Free back then he would have never started Linux (as a kernel).

The one who was frustrated with existing OSes (even before Linus thought about Linux) because they were restrictive (and therefore in his view buggy) was Richard Stallman. This is why he started the GNU project which unfortunately never made it to write a working kernel (HURD - it works today but still lacks lots of functionality which one would expect from a modern kernel), mainly because their standards were too high. Linux came in as a stopgap because it was a Free and WORKING kernel while BSD was still blocked due to AT&T's intervention which has probably set Free Software and Unix back for five years or so.

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp....47530d082cd95d

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1) If you like Android THAT MUCH, then make the jump you won't regret it.
Android has become much much better than what it was before, 2.1 ,or even earlier to v1.5

2) One solution to your problem would be to port Dalvik to Maemo 5/6. This has been done with a really great performance by myriad's Alien Dalvik but they are not selling it to individuals and no-one is buying. So unless they opensource it, or someone hacks into their mainframe and leaks the build, you will never* see an Android VM running on ARM-Linux .

3) The other option is to get an android device with unlocked bootloader and root, and join in the development of Qtdroid, Android-Lighthouse, Necessitas. This brings the power of KDE / Qt to Android. Which means with a custom kernel...you can run actual linux programs inconjunction with Android. The only problem is some applications need light tweeking to get working (mostly due to the package management rpm/deb).

4) Last resort is to get an Android device. With unlocked bloader and root, get it to Dual Boot.
And use Android most of the time. When you get bored/want linux ... then chroot (a very light) Ubuntu build. It will run all your Debian files, however there are inconsistencies, laaag and sometimes even hangs!

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

1) If you like Android THAT MUCH, then make the jump you won't regret it.
Android has become much much better than what it was before, 2.1 ,or even earlier to v1.5

2) One solution to your problem would be to port Dalvik to Maemo 5/6. This has been done with a really great performance by myriad's Alien Dalvik but they are not selling it to individuals and no-one is buying. So unless they opensource it, or someone hacks into their mainframe and leaks the build, you will never* see an Android VM running on ARM-Linux .

3) The other option is to get an android device with unlocked bootloader and root, and join in the development of Qtdroid, Android-Lighthouse, Necessitas. This brings the power of KDE / Qt to Android. Which means with a custom kernel...you can run actual linux programs inconjunction with Android. The only problem is some applications need light tweeking to get working (mostly due to the package management rpm/deb).

4) Last resort is to get an Android device. With unlocked bloader and root, get it to Dual Boot.
And use Android most of the time. When you get bored/want linux ... then chroot (a very light) Ubuntu build. It will run all your Debian files, however there are inconsistencies, laaag and sometimes even hangs!

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

Thanks for understanding. I think that we are also social beings as much as we are individuals. We can use a phone that suits us and gives us all freedom but if that is not letting us use Whatsapp to talk to family members and friends abroad or not letting us use fring to make cheap international phone calls or some other important uses. Thats why I want to contribute ideas for seeking solutions for the platform's shortcomings...

Not everyone who owns a phone knows everything about it.
I live in Canada and everyone who buys a BlackBerry, buy it only because all their friends are on BlackBerry.
All kinds of apps were available before iPhone. But, the reason why iPhone was successful because it made it available very easily.
Because people who are specialized in the service industry don't need to be versatile in computer tech to be able to download apps from random websites and setup PC Suites and figure out how to install the app in their phones...
They'd rather pay $0.99 to get it from a strictly controlled store and don't worry about spywares or its quality or performance.

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I am with basic android since I sold N900. I wanted to buy an economical Pentaband phone. Galaxy Nexus is expensive and not very good looking to me.
I wanted to treat myself with a good looking phone and thats why I was looking at N9...
Also I don't like Google 's push to integrate all google services and shove it down my throat with one account. Soon that I can realise, I am pretty sure, they will allow only one account for all their apps on Android. I don't want them to track my video viewing habits because they still remember it even after I clear history. This is just plain BIG Brotherhood...
I think Android's UI is not elegant. I want it simple like N9 and the the software to be intrmixable like N900.

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

Sorry. I didn't put enough effort to have correct info on it. I will see to it I don't do it in future.

Re: Solving the most important problem for Maemo/Harmattan: App Availability. Here is a solution.
 

LET'S MAKE SUPER HAPPY FUN TIME FULL ANDROIDS VM ON N9!!!


JUST LIKE LINUS DID WHEN HE MAKE FULL WINDOWS VM ON LINUX!!!



What the HELL didn't anyone think of this before? Thank you, yaavarumKaeleer. You are truly a visionary and have saved all of Meego land.

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Anyway, the current comunity effort seems to be here

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idea is not bad but truly tell you ,android sucks till tail .Its like garbage,you cant find anything like mplayer there in android . It would be better if you could just talk about Qt components which bring harmattan and fremantle more close,work on them.Android is not any solution ,Between we already have got android running on N900 so it doesnt worth any more than that .Though i will vote for bringing maemo and harmattan more close .

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[off topic]Just referring back to the post-Maemo strategy thread, the Hurd is the pure FOSS option you presented, and Linux is the get everything working using closed binary blobs and gradually replace them option I advocated ;)[/off topic]

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Do you think that the lack of apps is solved by basically co-opting your adversary ecosystem and making it stronger? Then why should anyone else choose you, the hybrid, instead of the real Android?

Without Nokia being involved, there's no hope, no real hope, for MeeGo Harmattan. While they keep a skunkworks team developing Maemo7 Meltemi and some of that work gets shipped out as Harmattan code, we're OK. e.g., Dropbox integration - either Nokia does it or Dropbox does it, Harmattan is not a mainstream platform with > 10 million users, Nokia isn't paying Dropbox, Nokia had to do it or be laughed at. It could do it for Meltemi, they did it now, it will be tested on the N9 and the code will certainly migrate for the most part to Meltemi. Same thing with DLNA "AirPlay" (HDMI cables are so yesterday!).

Next up: Kindle and Adobe Reader support, please, why do even Linux phones with a nuisance like Aegis still get shafted without clients for DRMd formats. That's what it takes for a system to be taken seriously.

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True! :D
In fact Hurd is quite useable these days, unfortunately it's 20 years late. But I seriously consider to switch to Debian/kFreeBSD. The only thing that stops me is VirtualBox (OSE of course).

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Um Myriad did think of this and it was demonstrated on n900 a year or so ago, problem is their targeted market (manufacturers like nokia) are the one target that wouldn't want it, if they did they would have just used Android in the first place.

He is a visionary by steve Job's standard though, if you're really claiming that he actually came up with it, well came up with it first at least.

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Actually, linux started as a hobby, much like many maemo apps do nowadays. Generally, proyects that start as a hobby do quite well, since it's in the authors geniune interest to make it work properly, and his main goal isn't to make money out of it.

My eyes bled as I read this.


On a more serious side:
1) You don't need to pay a license to virtualize android, IF you can get somewone to write a VM for you, it's totally legal to use android on it, and to download [free] apps onto it.

2) The N900's hardware can't run a virtual machine. It'd run out of battery in a few hours.

3) If there's no android VM for ubuntu, or even windows (which have far larger userbases, how do you expect to get support for one on maemo?

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It's sarcasm folks. I thought the electric font and broken engrish would have given that away.... :rolleyes:

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haha I'll assume that's also sarcasm.

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Oh boy! Anyone tried this under OpenJDK under maemo? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPMR_udvAM

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Hi authors and admins. Im a new N9 user. I have a very big prob regarding my phone. I cant download from other sites. Only from Ovi Store. Everytime i try to donwload (eg. games from zedge.net) it says FAILED, file not supported. PLEASE HELP. What will I do :(

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Why would you think this? You can run any X86 version of Android in VMware no problem in Ubuntu or Red Hat.

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As for windows programs, in a nut shell this cannot be done. There have been a few attempts with emulation but the hard ware has been very troublesome (Arm vs x86 and all that) due to compatibility. Also there are many Linux variants that DO run fine on Arm Linux,you might want to try GIMP or Open Office for example perhaps? Very few phones if any will run those as full programs, okay Adobe has their "mobile Photoshop" but that is nothing more than a re-badged Kodak EasyShare photo edit suit program.

For the rest of your Android rant, you appear to be asking for APL or Alien Dalvik... This had been discussed many times before, and yet we still have the same out come. This community is a fan/developer based forum who do mot have the funds to perform such tasks. Yes it would be nice, but as a whole there is no funding for the licencing of such a project and starting from scratch will take a very long time. Like I said, this had been talked about in detail before.

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