Jolla arrives to India
 

It seems that finally Jolla is going to ship to India, through Snapdeal.com as announced some time ago, starting from Tuesday Sept. 23rd

http://www.snapdeal.com/offers/jolla

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the question that matters for the rest of us:

what will they price it at in india, and how will this effect the price in europe?

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Why should it affect the price in europe?

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because its not fair price to pay 349 EUR for a new battary.

I want to see a BIG price drop. 199 EUR would be great and I would consider it.

Thanks

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HK, India, parts of Europe. I'm sure there's a strategy there, but I wonder if the patent trolls (*cough*Microsoft*cough) have stopped this phone from entering more countries.

Their strategy is almost like the Nokia N9 release. Waiting on Mongolia and Azerbaijan announcements...

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Don't think patent trolls have anything to do with it.

Jolla just have a very weak piece of hardware, which no doubt costs them more than double (mayble triple?) what most phones with similar specs would cost to make, because; 1) it's not an off the shelf OEM design, and to some extent they designed it themselves so all the packaging is different; 2) because the hardware is such an unattractive proposition for buyers and Jolla know this, they can't place large orders (because they'd go unsold), so they get no discounts or economies of scale. Yet they need to make a profit on the hardware, because they have zero income otherwise (no paid apps, no licensing Sailfish to OEMs yet), so relative to its specs and build quality the price is set at an obscene level, which then in turn puts off most potential buyers (both casual/interested, dev and primary phone purchases). Basically, with the current phone, Jolla are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Situation is very different to the N9. Nokia had a decent piece of hardware (excellent looks) with an OS and UI that had received universal plaudits. It was a very attractive proposition. However, Elop & co needed to bury it, so hence the 'eccentric' availability, marketing and dumping it in minor markets, whilst not offering it in big markets where there was a lot of demand. Jolla on the other hand can't possibly get deals with carriers in any European (or North American) markets (beyond their native Finland), because the phone is so unattractive both spec wise and aesthetically (those bezels are so 2009) and Sailfish is still in a really basic state. So they're forced to try to enter markets where competition isn't too fierce and a small player might catch a break (Namibia, Kazakhstan etc), or gigantic markets where competition is overwhelming (India & China) but because of the vast number of consumers, they're bound to sell a few devices simply because they're a bit different.

The most positive thing for them currently is undoubtedly their deal with Hutchison Whampoa. It's extremely unlikely that 3 HK will sell many of the existing device, and I'm sure HW & Jolla are both more than aware of this ... however it shows some faith or good will on the part of a huge, global player, which stands them in good stead if future Jolla phones are an improvement, or more importantly, high quality Chinese OEMS (of which there are lots) license Sailfish and sell their devices.

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would you, as a european customer, feel more or less keen on the prospect of buying a jolla phone for £280 if you knew they had just introduced it into the indian market for the rupee equivalent of £140?

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Do we know price in India?

Basically all phones are more expensive in Europe than the rest of the world. Samsungs, apples, Sonys and so forth.

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I feel like that all the time. With two minor corrections: s/Indian/American and s/rupee/dollar. It p!$$es me off to see something on Amazon US for £120 whilst the same thing on Amazon UK is priced at £200. And of course Amazon US would not ship it to the UK.

One product more or less does not make such a big difference.

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Do you have a link to a new retail Jolla Phone on Amazon US? I doubt Amazon officially sells them in the states do to lack of FCC approval and worldwide 3G support.

Also I do agree with bluefoot to some extend. The Jolla Phone could be more solid build and less buggy at the hardware like battery shutdown that is a widely known issue and these things might be some of the reasons why Jolla can't be find in retail stores in central Europe outside Finland. However I choose to support Jolla because I like the Jolla phone and love the Sailfish OS and would like them to succeed.

Unlike Ubuntu Phone and Tizen they've actually had the courage to release a phone to the market.

I know the phone might be seen as overpriced by some, however I support an unique company with a special OS and a vision. Sometimes you can't look a the specs alone.

Also if you look at the latest presentation (http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/vi...s-forum-stage/) you can see the Marc Dillon has become more insightful from before only talking about the product and the vision to now also mention things like the disbelief in the press early on and more of the history so people can see that they ain't perfect, but they've come a long way and continues to fight.

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you know and i know that jollaphone is a deeply unattractive price already given the hardware it incorporates.

knowing that you will be paying a price greatly inflated from the current new market price won't help things.

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This.

Since Android and iPhone came onto the mobile phone landscape, consumers have fallen into the trap of a smartphone arms race - seeing who has the biggest screen, most CPU cores etc.

With Jolla (and the Nokia of old) it is not just about specs - it's about everyday use. Jolla is brilliant at this. And there is so much clever and smart design in the Sailfish OS. It is a joy to use.

For example, how do fancy, fast LTE modems on a phone help, when often I will need a good EDGE modem for everyday usage?

In my country, South Africa, I ended up paying R4500 (Rands) for my Jolla phone. Compare this to the price of a Samsung, Sony or iPhone, which cost at least R9500 to R11000!

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True but Jolla has stepped in the trap of assuming "average users don't need: ..fill in all features including Nokia users took for granted till 2012...and will be pleased with something square, flat and difficult to hold as long as we call it our design " set by those Androids and iPhones with merciless HW update cycles.

If my Jolla had a camera worthy of comparison to my Pureview 808 , had IR remote, FM radio Tx, HDMI, low power screen saver, a keyboard (optional official i2C other half would be ok) , offline maps & nave for life (cough..) by Nokia then I couldn't care less about the the bezels and the only dual core for years to come.

That's just a big IF, as I do realize it would have been costy and maybe a gamble for Jolla but I know I would have paid the extra 100 world credits easier in early 2013 for a more complete feature list than I would pay the 349 Euro for what it is now.

A more complete insta-classic release phone would have bought Jolla more time in terms of hardware upgrade hunger by its followers. Time they could use to perfect the OS.

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You have to remember that USA pricing is without sales tax whereas European pricing includes tax.

£120 in the USA is £166.67 if you remove the UK VAT from £200. Finnish VAT is even higher than the UK

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That's cool. I wonder if they ship to America. Jolla smartphone is one I'm definitely looking forward to landing on US soil, and at a reasonable price.

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Yep.. we get + 24% VAT in every item we buy :/.

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Price it below 13k INR, and sell a few units. Or else RIP. Personally I don't think Jolla will stand a chance against other players in Indian market. It is too damn competitive here and a new OS which nobody knows is not gonna make a mark. Sorry.

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Price is gonna be the dealbreaker

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Edit: stuff is randomly getting starred out in this post ... will try posting again

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Is price confirmed? 13k INR in dollar or eur? Is it subzedized or locked in anyway in India? By vendors or networks? How does the market work?

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Meizu will launch an Ubuntu pre-loaded version of the MX4 before the end of the year, and distribute the ROM to existing MX4 users. No-one knows how far Ubuntu Phone will come before November / December, but even if it is extremely ropey now, how many people looking for an 'indie' / real Linux phone are going to choose the Jolla over a superbly designed (and cheaper) Meizu with specs literally 3 years ahead of the Jolla?

Going with a low quality, low spec, completely bespoke phone was such a huge mistake on Jolla's part. They could have got any one of dozens of high quality Chinese flagship phones rebranded, or put in slightly different housing for less than the cost of what they have now, had a massively better product and sold WAY more.

Imagine if it was them either rebranding the MX4, or Meizu offering a Sailfish ROM instead of an Ubuntu one? Old Nokia diehards would go bananas and carriers would probably be much happier to overlook Sailfish's wrinkles.

Re: Tizen. I suspect that Samsung's Tizen smarwatch will ship more units than the Jolla will in the entire course of its lifetime. The two Tizen phones launched in Russia undoubtedly will.

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Hardware isn't everything. I know of another company that just started selling a phone with similar specs for a higher price, 1.4 GHz dual core ARM, 1 GB RAM, 4,7" screen, NFC but not for general use.

They call it the "iPhone 6".

Hardware specs are fine for comparing uninspired Android phones with one another, but not phones running different OS.

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Price is not confirmed yet :D But the thing is, people here are so much obsessed with Android and nobody knows what Sailfish is. And without advertisement, what is the point in launching something alienish in a competitive market?

13k INR = 213.150 US Dollars. You think it is too less? :D Well, you'll get a Xiaomi Mi3 for 13.9k INR ;) with better specs and probably a better hardware, and MIUI :o Xiaomi followed the flash sale thingy on Flipkart for 5-6 times and ~20,000 units sold off in mere seconds each time (less than 4 seconds). After that, they temporarily discontinued the sales to promote Redmi 1s (with specs similar to Moto G and price lower than Moto E) which was sold out like hot cakes too :cool:

Android, quad core, apps and price tag controls the market.

http://www.snapdeal.com/offers/jolla

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So how is any of this different from the European market?

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Seems like a bit of a disingenuous example. Jolla can't underspec and inflate the price of their products in an Apple-like way.

Besides, that 1.4Ghz dual core is ARMv8 and MASSIVELY more powerful than the one in the Jolla, and more than adequate for an OS which essentially lacks multitasking. Same goes for the RAM, which is at least LP DDR3 rather than ancient DDR2-800 in the Jolla. The 4.7" screen, whilst certainly not as good as some of its competitors is nevertheless a good quality Sharp/JDI 720 panel ... the one in the Jolla is a hopelessly cheap bottom of the range Taiwanese one. They do both share cheaper Chinese batteries, at least.

To state the obvious, Jolla can't rely on a gigantic cult like following (with almost no price sensitivity) built up over the course of 3 decades, and an incredibly tame press to overlook any deficiencies in hardware relative to the competition.

Anyway, the point is that you don't have to look at a spec sheet to realise the Jolla is low specced and poor quality. It looks cheap, feels cheap, the screen is very obviously low resolution and is the worst I've seen on any remotely expensive smartphone in terms of daylight/outdoor visibility in the last 3 or 4 years. The camera produces poor photos in ideal conditions and is practically useless in challenging or low light. The phone begins to slow down very noticeably when a few apps are open and media takes a while to load / buffer. Fit of the battery is poor and TOH provides no environmental seal at all.

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Love all the action in this thread given we don't have any info and price. :D intact, we don't know a ****.

While a price drop in India result in a price drop in Europe? How long could jolla go to get sales?

Jolla phone paid for itself yet?

Either way. Vote here:http://m.linuxjournal.com/content/re...ards-2014-poll

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As stated, unless a carrier places a big order (unlikely), I doubt they have much room for manoeuvre re: price. Price will probably continue to gradually fall, but it'll never be a value for money phone.

Re: the poll. LOL. They have Ubuntu for Android listed ... it ceased to exist, what, 12 months ago, or more than that?

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My issue really isn't with the price per se, it's with the fact that it will not work in the US any faster than 2G - the lack of radios being the problem.

For that price, I'd like to have 3G at least when I'm not in the office or home and therefore using wi-fi. The lack of specs folks are pointing to are also running extremely bloated OS's. Sailfish OS is very optimized. Jolla seems to be very proud of that fact and it shows, imho.

But as it goes, it's hard as Hell to launch anything in the US. Carriers have way too much power and control, folks are fickle and easily led and you'd have to pay top dollar just to be on a shelf that's near eye-level. Glad to see that this thread has some rather impressive and level-headed thinking - bluefoot, you're definitely the catalyst for that.

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Jolla price their phones at what people are prepared to pay for a unique phone. They don't need to be competitive with Android phones or iPhones. It's not a difficult concept to grasp surely?

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Has anyone actually thought it's very cool that jolla expand to India too?

Well done jolla and good luck.

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Jolla has just launched the phone in India, priced at roughly 210EUR or 16499INR they are providing first 90 customers with VIP box..

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/joll...1?MID=JollaBuy

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You do have some valid points there.

The number one problem is the camera quality. That is the single one thing I'd like to change if possible.

Also the point on TOH not having environmental protection, that is true also. Having a real sealed IP-something-specced construction like on Sony devices would be really good, but unfortunately realising that with a changeable TOH concept is difficult: at least that'd rule out the best thing about the TOH's, being able to print your own, with functionality like available from @kimmoli & @dirkvl!
(at least I think having a sealed construction in the TOH like is on back covers of Samsung Xcover toughphones would not be reachable using commercially available 3d printing technologies...?)

The display is not very bright, and not very usable in bright light. However the colours are nice and resolution is enough for my use.
(And I have not yet found any device to be good to use in brightly lit summer sun, except for old B&W LCD displays...)

Otherwice I disagree with your observations: My Jolla feels not cheap, but well made and sturdy.
Even as I think the metallic part is only thin shell over plastic, it looks and feels good and has good resistance to wear.
Also the design with alternating flat and rounded edges is pleasingly industrial and fresh when comapred to usual "soap-box-designs" of some large manufacturers :)

As for being slow to use&load, I have not noticed that.
I feel that my device is very quick to respond, very intuitive and fluid to use.
Also the current consumption of the device is low, the battery lasts very well in my use.

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Oh, that may have been true for the First Ones, but I'd argue that Jolla does indeed have to competitive with both in order to achieve the sales figures that they originally suggested they wanted.

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Indian consumers are very spec-conscious. It may be hard to convince them to buy it even at this lower price. The Android One phones released in India just last week have comparable specs and identical screen size and resolution to the Jolla and cost Rs 10000 (€127) less.

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A product is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. Your job as a salesperson is to convince the buyer it's worth it. When you can't do that your LAST resort is pricing.

One can only presume from the pricing and the pricing of comparable products that Jolla are happy with more profit and their sales strategy is working for them. It's almost Apple like rather than Nokia like.

They aren't some daft Silicon Valley startup burning through cash with no income. They aren't a massive ODM hoping to make profit with volume. They aren't an Asian Android forker with dubious ideas on copyright law, support and software updates.

These things may not matter to you and price may be the number one priority. It isn't mine. The question then is how many people can Jolla convince. If it's just 'The First Ones' then they're probably in trouble but that doesn't seem to be the case as the price is generally holding up.

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Actually, it's a first resort if your company isn't called Apple or Samsung. You know how many times it has happened that sales persons in stores are forcing phones from Apple or Samsung upon you? Search the Crackberry website to see how many times that has happened to Blackberry, webOS Nation how many times that has happened to Palm/HP and Windows Phone Central how many times that has happened to Nokia and HTC. (and it has happened here as well when my mum wanted a BB Z30 at the T-Mobile store, they laughed straight to her face)
Tip of the iceberg: it has happened A LOT of times. Now those brands actually have a well known name and they get patronized by sales persons. I can only imagine how Jolla would get totally ignored instead of patronized by sales persons because Jolla isn't a well known name yet. Which means they *have* to undercut the price so that they at least have a chance of getting nice advertisements out there.

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Of all the minor things that I read here on TMO, I still want to support Jolla and Sailfish OS to be succeed.
And if Jolla come to my country with similar pricing, I most likely will buy one.
But if the price is higher, I probably still want to buy one. :p

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I think it's great that Jolla are now available in a massive, massive market and that this phone is being priced reasonably. Hopefully, in the next few weeks, we see the price reduced further in the European markets.

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Valid points, No matter how good OS is, customer always wants to see something new,exclusive, latest and here Jolla missing so many things ; Screen, Camera etc.
Jolla should bring another decently priced model containing latest hardware then only they can survive in market like India.