Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

Hopes and dreams we had years ago long dashed.
Let us move this topic to the OLD area at the bottom of TMO and add a sticky that the Neo900 is permanently vaporware rather than at the top of a stack of Meamo/Meego device evolution.
Cheers to everyone who was excited for the project but there is nowhere to go with this topic except historical analysis.
I am not sure what has happened to the pre-pay option on the Neo900 website but I don't want to see anyone else loose their money into a black hole either.
(edit)The buyable objects have been removed from the Neo900 website's store connected to the donate and prepay buttons.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

Now, that is quite unfair.

The site clearly states
So no chance for anybody to throw money away.
And to be realistic: even if ... ah forget it

Why opening a new thread to be so pessimistic and bear a grudge?

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

Well...
I tried to think of any deliberate negative implied in biketools statement...there isn't any ..nor grudge ..

He just said it straight.
There is a concern if we have links here to a page that still accepts donations / investment into a project that didn't make it off the ground and whose principal project manager stated publicly that the project is dead.
That is an issue.
And one we should be addressing if we offer links to functioning donations / investments..

Valid argument.

And the issue of putting the neo900 subforums and threads in archive since it claims something it never delivered or will ever deliver...
For archival research purposes...
Is extremely balanced.

I would have insisted it be flushed.
At the least a new sub forum created for all the wasted time effort and money and dump them all in there... To serve as a constant reminder and warning ...

So ...wish it had come to fruition.
But It didn't
Wish all the money I put toward one weren't flushed away...
But it was.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

But it is not the case here. Why complaining and fighting against an issue which not exists. :confused:
You are taking action if somebody created vapourware and stealing money from people. I am wondering why people spend money to a project, when they think like this about it. Have you ever trust the people behind the project and the project itself? Do you really understand the evolution of the project and the resulting outcome. Think about it I, **** happens, the file is closed, life goes on.

To move it to the archive is another story and it is worth to think about it. But starting a thread for it...

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

If we look at http://neo900.org/ we can see no mention of the project entering any permanent freeze(end) status. The only notification we have is at TMO. In any case we can believe Joerg and sympathise with his health and resulting financial problems, but the zombie website still has a donate-now button with unknown functionality. If Joerg hasn't updated or deleted the website I have every doubt he would try to collect from the sponsor account. The last post on the Neo900 site's news feed in 2018 leaves only hope for the continuation of the project, "Thanks for helping keep our project alive PIA! PIA would also like to thank Neo900 supporters for staying strong with the project so long"
(edit)I did poke around the website a bit, and while there are buttons to donate or prepay for a Neo900 there is not any buy-able objects available in the store. I would consider leaving such site up myself were I former lead of such an agressive project as a living CV and proof of great small team accomplishments to show prospective employers.

GDC was behind the OpenMoko a phone which while never terribly functional as a phone was pretty cool as the first(AFAIK) phone designed bottom-up for a FOSS OS and userspace. I have a GTA-02 which still works and I am thankful to Joerg and associates for the work he did on the moko series as well as some sweet tweaks and feature hacks toward improving the N900 experience(USB hostmode and H-E-N especially) not to mention his regular presence on TMO.

But appreciation of our friends and allies aside the presence in the top device slot of talk.maemo.org for the Neo900 project, one which is no longer a project with any realistic hope of reaching production, and even if someone else obtained the Gerber files it would be a 10 year old design with long EOLed components thet even GDC had to scramble to obtain.

I know that there are some useful side and on-topic discussions in the Neo900 threads which we need to keep web-searchable into the future. I mean no disrespect but stacking Neo900 at the top of Maemo devices discussion is misleading to newcomers and is a space possibly better suited to discussing the future of Maemo devices, maybe those compatible with a Maemo-Leste port.

I restate my support for moving the Neo900 topic to Old and placing a prominent sticky at the top of that subforum(perhaps also some version of 'never entered production' note next to the TMO main link) respectfully explaining with quotes from Joerg that the project has reached it's end without producing a production ready device and that announcement's date.

(edit)The pessimism is warranted, the project is announced dead by joerg_rw there is nothing to be optomistic about at this point, I have no grudge with Joerg, rather I appreciate his work and use USBmode on my N900 frequently with thoughts of thanks to him as well as the other good he has done for us in the past on this forum. But in the real world the Neo900 project is dead with no devices in the wild, there is no reason for a Maemo tech discussion forum to, after the end of a cool nearly realized dream, to project an ultimately unfulfilled fantasy as factual.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

As sailfish has its own section on the devices page, how about 2 more. One for Leste compatible, and one at the bottom for unreleased/other devices. We could then add a small section, even if only one post describing the product, for the other Maemo 5 device wise details I can't remember. It wasn't a Nokia.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

There is resources still available, so it is not dead, it is only in deepfreeze:
http://neo900.org/resources

But site should say more clearly that you can take project and continue or start from scratch again.

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Even so assuming Joerg collected his full list of EOL parts and connectors(I think he once said he actually did) he could only someday do a small run of cool for year 2012-13 $600-1000 phones. It makes sense to freeze a project and never go back at this point, they are only really collector toys. I say this as an everyday N900 user too.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

Appreciate seeing this thread - first I'm hearing of the Neo900 project being stopped.

I haven't had time to come on TMO for... approximately five years now?

I had already inferred that the Neo900 wasn't happening given the way the updates gradually became less substantial and then stopped, but didn't actually know.

So yeah, some sort of blatantly visible indication would be nice.

No need to interpret it as anything personal to the people involved, just proactively countering how what's already out there might mislead.

Re: Move Dead Neo900 project topic to OLD
 

Good to read you again @MentalistTraceur, has been a long while :)

And yes, I plus one your opinion.
Some admin (maybe @JoergRW himself) could just add that to the first post.
And done.