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Maemish 2020-09-12 17:18

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Appmanager stopped working. All repos green but no apps to download. I wonder if trying to get more repos by adding them extracted from the script for building a developing environment and then removing some api key as was in the script and then not completing the instructuion is the reason.

No, just disabled and enabled repos and now I have the apps again. Must have been related to using bleachbit.

clort 2020-09-12 20:26

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzup_ (Post 1568970)
How do you right click?

In this case, tapping finger on right side of screen

In others using barrier keyboard + mouse sharing.

Thanks for explanation of dorian.

Maemish 2020-09-12 22:47

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
VLC player works and streaming from youtube works. Now would just need an easy way to get the urls of videos. Minitube doesn't show any info and smtube can't find urls even though the search works and it shows the image and other info of the video. Would be nice to have a youtube search which would just give text info of found videos plus by clicking some icon it would copy the url to clipboard. That would be fast way to get urls to either for youtube-dl to download or for streaming with a player.

And some apps I can't get to open otherwise than with sudo from xterm. Not the best way to launch a browser for example.

I made a devel upgrade. For a while I lost the audio. I thought that maybe I fried the speakers when I tried to make the telegram call. But then I booted to fremantle and Nokia welcome showed the speakers work and after booted back to Leste the audio was back.

I have keyboard layout set to finnish but it doesn't work in apps. Virtual keyboard works in xterm but I don't know how else I could make certain special characters like : or ;. So if I have needed to write https: for url I have written that with virtual keyboard in xterm, copied that and then pasted to app. Should make a note where are all the characters from where I could copy them when needed. Or is there an easier way? I use what I know and have.

Dillo didn't open any webpage or resolved DNS unless I opened it with sudo. I hoped that it would have been a fast tools to get youtube urls but it opened youtube as a blank page.

clort 2020-09-13 07:13

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569250)
Would be nice to have a youtube search ...

Dillo...

for youtube, i enjoyed using mps-youtube - a console client for searching youtube. it could launch mplayer, mpv backends. unfortunately the quota for the youtube api has been exceeded. to use it you'll need your own key. if you do have a key, it requires python3-pafy and youtube-dl as dependencies.

Dillo can load sites for me (that don't require javascript). With some fltk hacking it could have a thumb-friendly UI:
https://user-images.githubuserconten...2539068a62.png

Maemish 2020-09-13 14:19

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Installed enlightenment desktop and rebooted device. Got into a nice login screen. I had made a normal user plus the sudo user. Sudo user (default leste install user) did not accept the password. The normal user I had created accepted. The desktop tried to open and I saw the enlightenment wellcome window on the desktop but only for half a second, then was thrown back to lgin screen. Too bad. I would have wanted to try it. Now I need to install the whole system again but it was already such a mess that I thought it doesn't really matter if I have to start from scratch.

Wizzup_ 2020-10-05 23:53

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Maemish -- sorry for not responding earlier - been quite busy. Looks like you've had a lot of fun with the system.

That said. A new update post is imminent (hopefully this week). Just in the last few days we got most of the clock-ui finished. Qalendar is also mostly usable, and even syncevolution now works.

I synced my Fremantle N900 Calendar <-> Radicale Server <-> Calendar Leste Droid 4. No problem. :cool:

Maemish 2020-10-06 13:31

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
I just washed my N900 and it is closed circuit now. Lost a lot of pictures and also notes and stuff. I think my next N900 on use will be with Leste with calls and sms.


Edit: Managed to get my N900 to boot up and charge. There is now on staying red light and camera is not working but I may be able to save pictures and stuff. I took the device into parts and put the all soaked wet parts to a bag with rice and left there for a day. First it tried to boot up but crashed couple of times but at last it booted.

Edit: Now writing with N900 again. Sound works and sim but camera not. Maybe it will someday again.

peterleinchen 2020-10-07 06:40

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569543)
I just washed my N900 ....

Was it that dirty at all? :rolleyes:

Maemish 2020-10-07 07:28

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Well it wasn't dirty before soaking it in water but now it has become a permanent red light district. Maybe that is why the camera doesn't work: no photographing aloud. Can it be some Nokia policy leftover in the system?

clort 2020-10-13 00:39

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
What is the purple status led signifying during shutdown? I hadn't noticed this before.

clort 2020-10-13 01:09

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569550)
Well it wasn't dirty before soaking it in water but now it has become a permanent red light district. Maybe that is why the camera doesn't work: no photographing aloud. Can it be some Nokia policy leftover in the system?

I have a n900 here where mainboard refuses to boot - shows charging though. Maybe the camera can be swapped out if you want one. I still think droid4 is the Path of Now and Forever though.

Maemish 2020-10-13 05:26

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Have you tried to reflash it?

Maemish 2020-10-14 14:00

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Yesterday watched Apple launch event. New iPhone 12 mini got me. Oh I want it. Almost decided to buy one. Then I started to think what would happen if I would buy it. I would be taking photographs all the time and if I take them I want to show them and would like to create new accounts to facebook and instagram and I would start to shoot videos again everywhere and would make music to them with nanostudio and garage band and would install apps apps apps apps and use them all all the time.

So I gave up the idea and decided to wait for Leste. Not thinking it will make N900 as good as iPhone or to be able to do all the same as iPhone, but to keep me on the right path: opensource, sustainability, becoming smart instead of stop using brains. I love how the iPhone lets me to just pour out all the creativity inside me but I have understood that it is like using curse words all the time. It makes me to just be creative and social virtually, but in my experience that is living a half life, half alive, and losing a lot.

But it sure looked good.

Wizzup_ 2020-10-14 17:30

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clort (Post 1569693)
What is the purple status led signifying during shutdown? I hadn't noticed this before.

I believe this the "shut down" LED pattern. We now support software led patterns on the Droid 4.

On the N900, I think the pattern is white. Uvos didn't port the patterns and their colours 1:1 for led-sw, but we'll correct that soon.

If you feel like doing it - please give it a go. It should be matter to tweaking one of the mce.ini's and activating the patterns to test: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Activate_LEDs

xman 2020-10-14 18:22

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Yes Shutdown is white on n900.

Maemish, it's will power not the device necessarily. You should embrace your creativity. The new iphone sure have some cool potential, but they do come at a cost.

1. freedom or locking
2. Eventual will obsoleted even if the hardware is still good.
3. They will invade your privacy at every turn.
4. They can remove remotely things from your phone if they want.

play with sunvox if you want to mess with music on the n900 it's awesome.

cheers

x

https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/dev...%20(Maemo).jpg

https://youtu.be/E54uAhMBA1A

Maemish 2020-10-14 19:59

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Wow! Thank you!

nikos523 2020-10-14 20:52

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569707)
becoming smart instead of stop using brains

Actually you will have an enormous amount of time to train your brain, simply because you won’t be spending it fixing problems from 10 years ago.
That’s the other side of the coin!

jellyroll 2020-10-15 01:35

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
A Blackberry keyboard smartphone is a much better alternative than a iPhone. Some BB devices are business use friendly especially when it comes to email handling. Someone created a very useful https://github.com/IanusInferus/BBK2KeyExtension key extension for the BB Key2.

Maemish 2020-10-15 01:51

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
To be able to use a 10 years old phone today is just an awesome achievement and I honor folks on this forum who have made it possible. And that the work continues blows ones mind. I spent many years with iPhone and loved it and what I could do with it. It is just too much for me. I just bought iPhones to my kids plus macbook and ipad and to wife an iPad pro. To myself 50 broken N900 devices. They do not understand me but I don't mind or blame them. But Maemo Leste on N900. It to be ready is my dream. Or my real dream is a system made with assembly on N900. Enough ram for many years.

nonsuch 2020-10-15 10:06

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569707)
New iPhone 12 mini got me. Oh I want it.
(...common sense kicks in...)
But it sure looked good.

Let me join the choir:
It is only insignificantly smaller than the Xperia devices supported by SailfishOS
I wonder how huge the not-mini iPhone 12 must be, to justify calling this one "mini".

nonsuch 2020-10-15 10:07

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1569712)
play with sunvox if you want to mess with music on the n900 it's awesome.

+1 for sunvox. It must be coded completely in assembler or something because it's so fast, so feature-rich, and produces pretty good sound quality afaict.
Easy to use, also.

So there's a build for maemo?

robthebold 2020-10-15 13:01

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsuch (Post 1569721)
+1 for sunvox. It must be coded completely in assembler or something because it's so fast, so feature-rich, and produces pretty good sound quality afaict.
Easy to use, also.

So there's a build for maemo?

Not only is there a maemo build, there's a build for PalmOS!

nonsuch 2020-10-16 09:40

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
^ are they under "Old versions" on the page you linked?

marmistrz 2020-10-16 11:44

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
How can I disable MAC address randomization for wlan0?

robthebold 2020-10-16 15:26

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsuch (Post 1569728)
^ are they under "Old versions" on the page you linked?

Sunvox for Maemo is in the first download (for linux, windows, macos, wince). Everything in the one zip file in the "sunvox" directory.

The "old versions" archive is just the palm and meego as advertised in the file name. "Old versions" because it stops at v. 1.8 while the big zip is 1.9, IIRC.

nikos523 2020-10-16 18:51

Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569717)
To be able to use a 10 years old phone today is just an awesome achievement


Is that an achievement for n900 though?
I still have an iPhone 3GS (almost 12 years old) and I can still use older versions of apps, iMessage, Apple Music, iCloud, modern browser etc etc. Ancient as F but still works without any extra work..

xman 2020-10-16 20:36

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
nikos, don't let any of that software get uninstalled, since you may not be able to reinstall them.

clort 2020-10-17 06:51

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Can't let you maemo+N900 guys have all the fun!
Grab your socks, leste runs sunvox out of the box! ♫♫
https://abload.de/img/sunvox_droid4_lestezpkhw.jpg

http://0x0.st/iDKq.webm
just run the linux_arm_armhf_raspberry_pi binaries. apparently it's not open-source...

nikos523 2020-10-17 07:31

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1569744)
nikos, donb't let any of that software get uninstalled, since you may not beable to reinstall them.


I don’t mess with old devices either way. I had to re flash my N9 2 years ago and I lost a day trying to install and set up everything back.. I don’t want to go through all that hustle again!!

Maemish 2020-10-17 15:36

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Only a day setting up? Lucky guy! It taked easily couple of days setting up my N900 cause I don't do backups. Just a day? I envy you. So easily managed.

xman 2020-10-17 20:55

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
clort, Awesome!! Thanks for sharing.

Nikos, well iOS that out dated won't let you get to store to reinstall stuff. So unless you have a back via itunes there wont be days of fixing ... since it wont get fix (as far as I though). I'm sure someone more crafty then me could make it happen some how, its not what apple want :(.

Maemish, duuuuude .... get with the back up program. At least start doing some rsync backups :).

x

nikos523 2020-10-17 22:36

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xman (Post 1569758)
clort, Awesome!! Thanks for sharing.

Nikos, well iOS that out dated won't let you get to store to reinstall stuff. So unless you have a back via itunes there wont be days of fixing ... since it wont get fix (as far as I though). I'm sure someone more crafty then me could make it happen some how, its not what apple want :(.

Maemish, duuuuude .... get with the back up program. At least start doing some rsync backups :).

x


If you don’t have jailbreak, you can download some older app versions from App Store if you had them installed before (even if I didn’t, I download them on my 11 pro Max and then they appear on purchase history). But in general, you don’t mess with installed apps just in case!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1569751)
Only a day setting up? Lucky guy! It taked easily couple of days setting up my N900 cause I don't do backups. Just a day? I envy you. So easily managed.



Well, still have all my backups from 2011 so finding my stuff is not the hard part. It just gets super annoying when you wait endlessly to install apps. Also the random errors and issues that will occur for sure.
To be honest the worse part for me is that in the end, after this painful and time consuming procedure, i still end up with a device that is stuck 10 years behind and i can’t use as a smartphone.
It really gets under my skin.

nonsuch 2020-10-18 12:07

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1569739)
Sunvox for Maemo is in the first download (for linux, windows, macos, wince). Everything in the one zip file in the "sunvox" directory.

Ah, I see.
Thanks for clarifying.
It's this link.
Yes, there appears to be no source code available for current versions (just spent 5min searching).
Still, sunvox is great. has proper documentation, a forum even...

Sorry for OT, back on topic now.

xman 2020-10-18 18:20

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsuch (Post 1569767)
Ah, I see.
Thanks for clarifying.
It's this link.
Yes, there appears to be no source code available for current versions (just spent 5min searching).
Still, sunvox is great. has proper documentation, a forum even...

Sorry for OT, back on topic now.

It used to be open source before vers 1.4 it looks like. Here is the early engine https://github.com/bohwaz/sunvox

and also this link to Community-maintained mirror of SunVox distribution, https://github.com/warmplace/sunvox

2 sec search :P

x

Maemish 2020-10-20 06:07

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Can't wait for update. Should reflash my N900 and would so much like to change to Leste but I know it is not yet ready for that. Just waiting for calls and sms, telegram and browsers already work so then I am ready to change.

teroyk 2020-10-23 13:16

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Is this still latest version for Raspberry Pi 2:
http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/raspi2/
?
It is 1 year and 7 months old.

sicelo 2020-10-23 14:14

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by teroyk (Post 1569861)
Is this still latest version for Raspberry Pi 2:
http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/raspi2/
?
It is 1 year and 7 months old.

https://phoenix.maemo.org/view/Images/

Grab the latest ones for your particular raspi

teroyk 2020-10-25 12:12

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sicelo (Post 1569862)
https://phoenix.maemo.org/view/Images/
Grab the latest ones for your particular raspi

It only has versions to raspi3 and raspi4 :(

Wizzup_ 2020-11-01 22:33

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by teroyk (Post 1569861)
Is this still latest version for Raspberry Pi 2:
http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/raspi2/
?
It is 1 year and 7 months old.

Please give this a try, it is untested though: https://phoenix.maemo.org/view/Images/

biketool 2020-11-02 14:16

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 
On the pinephone just install the image to a SD card or Jumpdrive and mount the EMMC to install or do we need to add uboot somewhere.
I will check the hash and try again for a SD boot.
On second try same thing so I am going to let it sit for a while and assmue it is unpacking itself onto the SD. All I get is the RGB LED and a black screen.
I have not yet made a serial cable so cant read console from boot.
This will be the first time I boot Maemo-7!
(edit)
Sadly that image is not booting...
I will check the link in a few weeks and try again with the next build.
What is cool is I can carry around a few SD cards to boot OSs, reminds me of when I used to have several disc sleds and ports on my tower back in the 90s.


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