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I found the most recent pre-built image (June 2020) doesn't work on the pinephone convergence edition (with larger RAM). On my device I get the red LED of nothingness.

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Download u-boot and flash it to the disk. Use the 624 for the highest speed.

Furthermore, there is a newer image available now. There is a u-boot included with the leste files, but I don't know what speed it is or if it includes support for the 3GB.

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Just flash to sd. It's only configured to boot that way. I know the fstab is set up just to read /dev/mmcblk0p2 as / . There may be other stuff you need to change to get it to work from emmc. I'll look into it later today.

EDIT: Definitely need to change more than just fstab.

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Performance has improved a lot since the last pinephone image. I get the feeling it would benefit a lot from the megi's latest 5.9 kernel with the 60hz patches, but I have no idea how to install it.

I guess Megi should be putting out a new multi-image within the next couple weeks, and that should include it if I don't have it figured out by then.

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No on-screen keyboard in any browser. :-(

I guess the Pinephone is the only leste phone without a hardware keyboard, for now ...

[EDIT] Xephyr + Firefox + Onboard should work, eh?

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What does U-boot do on pinephone?
I had backupmenu on my N900 and never did U-boot.

As for keyboard I think the majority of us will be getting the hardware keyboard once it is available, unless 2020 really is The Year of the Jackpot.(Heinlein)

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The on screen keyboard worked for me. But I was using the multi-boot. Will eventually move to a few sdcard for testing my choice OSs.

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New update!

https://maemo-leste.github.io/maemo-...mber-2020.html

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Wow!!! Respect!!! I hope that when the sms and calls are ready I will have many N900 devices ready and working for new users. I got info that most of the usb fixes have been done. After I get them back and put devices together I start to hunt down missing keyboards, keyboard frames and backcovers. Then there would be about 40-50 devices.


I have read that people are struggling with N900 phones because carriers drop down 3G support and they say they become unusable. I do not understand about these things and have just thought that 3G phone can not use 4G network. But then there are this kind of articles which suggest that you can use 4g netwotk with a 3g sim but it just does not support the 4g speed https://maccablo.com/convert-3g-phone-to-4g-phone/


Am I right that this is not working with N900 but that you need a usb 4G receiver to be able to connect to 4g network?



Are these fake news or true?

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One of my N900 broke the USB connector. Where did you sent yours for repair? I still have some parts of another N900 if you need

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I sent it to forum member trzyzet who has been doing it. He started a thread here about fixing them. He took a quite big workload when he promised to fix my N900s. About 40 I think. I still need about 20 backcovers, keypads and keypadframes. Then there are some which boot and I can use them but can't change the code because I do not know how to reset the lockcode. That part I could give to someone else to do. I think there is under 10 N900 like that. But I believe in the end I may have 35 fully working N900s to share with community.



I would love to be able to bring more developers to the community with them to make Maemo great again, sorry, the greatest again. Maemo Leste - the greatest linux opensource mobile Os in the world! They could even be a reward if people make working and good apps and neccessary apps for N900. Like an app developing competition once in two or three months and users will vote which app will win and also give feed back of the apps in competition so developers can tweak them and try next month again. Would that sound a good idea or something similar?


I think I need to keep myself few because I broke like 5 N900s in 2 years: one soaked in water, one fixed by baking but ripped the camera in parts while disassembling, one baked in 200 celsius instead of 100 (not a good odour), one cellular stopped working because pressed the keys too hard while playing Psycho Pinball with it. So I need to get them away from me.


I paid 150€ for those 50. It was a big job to go through what they got inside and remove personal info and to check if there would be awesome developer stuff in them. I am not after making profit with them. I have been offering them for 15€ for members in need or parts, but I am (have been) very slow in sending the parts. Hoping to become faster in that.

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Reading the link all you have to do is change the bands. I guess the N900 will have settings for this showing everything rather than what the network that sold you the phone wants you to see so if the bands used by your network (which varies by country and network) are available on the chipset it should work. Unless the link is flat out lying, but that would be strange as they don't try to sell you anything.

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Have you not seen myriads of fake YouTube videos that don't sell anything?

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Those 3G-to-4G conversions mentioned on the page you pointed seem to be dependent on the baseband chipsets ability to work on different RANs, which may be possible if the handset manufacturer has used a multiRAN capable baseband but for some reason (cost, segmentation?) decided to only enable 3G RAN.

It is not necessarily "Fake news" (but might be!) as similar thing was with the original Jolla phone (sbj-1) which only supported 3G when it came to market and then got 4G upgrade later, might have been in v2.0 "Saimaa" update if I remember correctly.
Also in this case the hardware already was there, it just needed the SW stack update to enable 4G.

N900 dates before 4G release so it is no surprise the baseband does not and will not ever support bands other than 2G/3G :D
However Neo900, should it have seen light did have that capability as it had the baseband chip upgraded to a more modern mutiRAN version.


Yep, this is tha way to go. (or you might go the Neo900 way and redesign board layout to incorporate a more modern baseband :))

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What fool would trust anything found in a place where clickbait titles earn you money for views? Youtube has music videos, 3D views of released products I'm interested in and if I'm really bored MtG players I can learn from, I have and never will trust it further than that.

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From Ninth Leste update:
"Maemo did not support 4G/LTE at all, so we also added that, as can be seen in this virtual machine using a modem via usb-passthrough:"

So software does support but hardware of N900 doesn't. So could something like this be possible with N900 running Leste?
https://youtu.be/U299NzobGk8

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Interesting, but I don't think we (Finland, Northern Europe) will be affected by these changes anytime soon. I still see people with Nokia 3310 and similar, and that's not even any G and still works. In fact i have a similar (but much crappier) device myself and it still worked last time I tried. And I've never heard of "a 4G SIM card". Sounds like just more provider lock-in.

edit: Hooray for Wizzup_ and Maemo Leste and a Happy new year!

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Actually N900 support also 3.5G (HSDPA) and old 2.5G (EDGE).

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Question: If I have a N900 with a lock code I do not know, and which doesn't clear with normal flashing, do I have a problem anymore if I flash Leste on the device? I think not, or is there other opinions?


So I can boot and open to fremantle but if I put the lock code on from settings I am not able to open the device, because I do not know the code.



And what was the rescue program to use to get lock code cleared?

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Thanks deutch1976 for bringing that thread up.

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Sorry about the post on the wrong conversation :p

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Managed to finally install Leste again. I do not know what would be the right dd script to put the Leste image on sdcard, cause it is not told in the instructions. Neither there is mentioned to which format you should format the card. I formatted it to ext4 and searched dd instructions from internet and then checked raspbian and pinephone sites which have dd scripts and then just changed the image name and path to sd card. It installed but when booted it did not work. But then I used Linux Mint's usb img writer to put the img to sd card and Leste booted with using uboot menu. (Could be good to tell that have to boot the device with keyboard open to get to the menu).

When I myself checked the location of the sd card before using dd it was sdb1 so I used that without success. When I used the Mint's usb img writer I checked that it used only sdb as the sd card location. Maybe there was my mistake why using dd did not work.

But the experience has been something else than before. Last time I got Leste running it was smooth and fast, Firefox-esr launched, chromium was usable. Now it seems reeal slow and firefox crashes at launch. It is a sqlite3 related problem I think and last time I probably found a fix but can't remember did I download some version from somewhere or what.

Finnish/swedish keyboard layout not working even after reboot, after shutting down I need to remove battery to be able to start the device. Maybe there are fixes to these already.

I have gone through the Leste news posts to find out things, but these are missing:

How to add devel-repo to Leste? Last time I found it somewhere but now I can't find info of it.


There was in Leste news mentioned that I can add debian repositories to my sources list. Maybe I read carelessly but can't remember mentioned which debian version and to which list: sources.list or HAM list? I would like to install netsurf 3.10 and try to get the firefox not to crash.


In the news posts there was mentioned xephyr. I think that solved some problems last time (maybe the top bar covering browsers top bar) but now sudo apt install xephyr says no such package. Maybe it is in the devel-repo and maybe somewhere it is told what it is and how to add it but brains just won't get it.

Synaptic has problems and I hope using xephyr could possiby fix them (menus are totally black). I also do not remember was there a way to use right mouse click somehow.

I would wan't to be able to overclock device and take transitions away and tweak swap settings. I already edited the /etc/sysctl.conf with swappiness but that is all I have been able to do. So is there a way to overclock and disable transitions?

In some early news post there was mentioned performance optimized clutter plus desktop to install. Is this anymore needed?

There are in the news posts now probably outdated info mixed with up to date info about how to use Leste. Would be really good if someone who knows about things could make a Leste starting page which would gather all usefull and up to date information to one page which could be kept updated as Leste develops. Now new users have to do a lot of work to get to be on the right map.



Things to be on that page could have this xephyr stuff, changing passwords and setting users, firewall and security related stuff, repository stuff with info what to check if adding new repositories, some info of different window manager options, keyboard and language related stuff, and then info how to tweak performance (some like smooth, some just fast).

Going through the news posts made me - again - to honor - more - all the developers for their commitment and hard work they have done with Leste. So much to figure out and to solve and try, so much time put on this, and must have been many moments of frustration. So maybe someone who is not so exhausted of developing and is more just a power user of Leste could answer my questions, if someone has time and is willing.

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A tip about using sd-cards and dd, firstly, you don't have to format it to anything as writing image with dd copies the image to the physical media, this means the existing format of the card is written over by all the partition information and filesystem format that already exists in the image.

You also always want to write the image to the device and not to any partition, hence always use for example /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1

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That was the only answer I did not need because managed to get that part solved. Of course good to know for the future, but what I would really wan't to know is the devel repo for leste.

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This is an important post and thank you.
After years of turning "dispassionate" about the evolution of mobile OS and devices, I find it a big hassle to read about how to install Maemo Leste. I am really out of it..Sorry.

Still I have the Nokia N900 laying around and would like to install it if it doesn't cost me half a day. I like to use that day to study other things, at least as exciting but that help me and my peers further right here right now.

If I don't have a clue what I am reading on the Maemo Leste install bits, then I don't need Maemo Leste. Such is the proverbial hardcore Linux nerd's way to put it. Sure, we should not bother already busy reverse engineers and developers giving their best to demand better written documentation in this stage.
I 'll just wait till I can get my 100 Euro fully tested and stable license of Maemo Leste knowing that all the funds will go to the B&M Gates fund to vaccinate children in Africa (for example) :rolleyes:

On the other hand, if I don't test Maemo Leste I will not honor the developers' effort by spreading the word enthusiastically.

So what about putting your perfected Leste Image up online for download now and then? To share it on a Telegram Channel

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Can you give me a link to the instructions you found?

Looks like we could add links to installation to SD here:
https://leste.maemo.org/Getting_Started
Something like

• Update firmware with included script (eg. flash-droid-4-fw.sh)
• Download an image appropriate for your device from http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/
• Insert a microsd card into your computer and find the device with cat /proc/partitions
• xzcat maemo-leste-VERSION.img.xz | sudo dd status=progress bs=1M of=/de v/MICROSDCARD-DEVICE

I use the default keyboard layout. If there are alternatives, I don't know about them.

Leste uses DEVUan not DEBIan. Do not add debian repos. Devuan includes most of the debian packages.
My droid4 maemo-leste specifies repositories in these places:
Don't install xephyr unless you know exactly what it does and why you want to use it.

There is a hack to emulate right mouse click but it's not a priority because maemo-leste applications do not require right mouse click.

What device? The droid4 can be overclocked. I don't know of any way to disable transitions.

What is in the image is the best you can get.

You need to judge the info by the age. Things change.

Basic devuan-linux operation will not be redundantly documented on maemo-leste pages. I'm not aware of alternative keyboard layouts or maemo-leste windowmanagers. There are a few settings that would make sense to make a gui app for, for e.g. to change things like user and root password.

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You Droid guy, me N900 guy. But do you have the devel repo enabled? And how do you overclock your droid? I have overclocked N900 only by installing kernel power plus settings for kernel power and then I was able to kernel-config limits 250 900.

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I currently only have in hildon-application-manager.list

deb https://maedevu.maemo.org/extras beowulf main contrib non-free

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YEAH!!! COOL!!! GREAT!!! WOW!!! And a news post coming!!!

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Great news for the project! I am really glad that you 'll have this funding faucet. Finally, your hard work is paid off. Cool!

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^ Isn't that the 2nd EU funding already?
Which is, of course, wonderful in every way!

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SOLUTION:
The current version of Maemo Leste image for VirtualBox has guest additions installed. However, when the mouse integration is turned on, the cursor is not visible! When I turned it off (input menu), the mouse was grabbed and the cursor became visible!
I am not sure why this happens. Probably because the guest additions installed is older than the Virtualbox version I am running.
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Hi there,

Just discovered this great project. :-)
I have tried the VirtualBox version and I have only one problem with it so far, that the mouse cursor does not appear on the screen at all. (I tried to click on the screen so it would grab it but it won't happen)

Any idea how to make the cursor visible?

Now I have to predict where the cursor when I try to click something. Certainly makes the user experience exciting. :-)

Thanks a lot,

Tamas
(Just bought a Nokia N9 last week on eBay, I will definitely try to install Leste on it when it arrives... :-) )

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This is expected behaviour, not a problem with VB.
Think about it: does any smartphone OS have a visible mouse cursor?
It's good that VB has an option to work around the problem, and it's good that you found it.

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Yes, I understand, and you are right of course.

Maybe because of Android devices that can handle Bluetooth and even USB mice, I kind of assumed that Leste would have the same behavior.

Handling Bluetooth keyboards and mice would be cool for Leste, but it's probably not a priority right now.

I am very happy that this project is still active and ongoing.

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if the device has working bluetooth in mainline (e.g. Motorola Droid 4 and Pinephone), then BT mice will work.

IOW, the issue is not Leste-related, but hw-related

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Not sure what is the behaviour under Android, however, under Leste, what happens when you enable mouse integration in the VM is that mouse events are generated by a pseudo TS device, Leste detects that and hides the cursor. If you disable mouse integration, mouse events are generated through pseudo mouse device, Leste detects that and makes the cursor visible. We did it like that so when you touch the screen on a real HW (phone), cursor will be hidden, however, if an external (relative) pointer device is connected and used, cursor will be made visible.

Bluetooth support is planned, however, there are higher priority things (like phone calls) on the list.

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It was in aprill that I was said there would be coming a news post of leste development. Have I missed it? Would really like to hear because I saw on Leste's twitter that phonecalls seem to be quite far already and sms could be too. Would also like to know if the table of N900 specs is updated like frequently or just occasionally.

I have started to miss my N900 a lot and would like to take it back in use wity Leste. But I don't blame. I can not code, compile, crosscompile, port or do anything else to support the guys working on leste.

Just BIIIIG THAAAAANKS TO AAAAALLL who are making a miracle and changing this world to be a better place.

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Noticed from Leste Twitter that news could be coming soon and I suspect that phonecalls and sms would be then ready. I hope I'm right.