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Well yes and no :)

The new memory mode is designed to be used with a fast persistent memory and emmc is not really that fast to use... the erase cycle actually makes it extremely slow...

So it might be possible but it'd slow down your device to glacial speeds :eek:

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Naive question: I guess the same can be said for the uSD ?

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No question is naive ...
Either it is :
A- an honest valid question.
B- A ridiculously hilarious question.
Or
C- outright dumb one.

Yours and Maemish's question is an honest valid one.

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In the most rudimentary of parallels to keep it as close to home as possible...
think of it like the n8x0's that have 128 mb of ram WITH the ability to give a tiny bit of oomph with up to an additional 128 mb of ram from allocating "virtual memory" to it.
It helps some ..sure.
"allocating" can help a bit..
can help a lot even...
But it only helps with processes and progs which normally would handle an expected load from the device in question
For example...
You can't run world of warcraft (I do not play ...I like more high brow like Neverwinter nights) on a pentium I ....no matter how much virtual fictitious ram you manage to allocate. (along with a plethora of other valid reasons as well)
BUT ...the processes and progs that would normally be able to run on the pentium I (perhaps even a few borderline slower heavier ones too)..you could run a few more of at the same time...or they would be a bit snappier ...
But that would be the extent of your ability..

In short.. nothing takes the place of dedicated ram

So if one were hoping to double or triple or whatever ...their ram in such a way...
you can fake out the system only so far...
but when process(es) or progs which are beyond the ability for the system to handle normally, need "actual" serious ram to run and look to the availability to utilize it...
It won't be pretty as your device tries its best to accommodate and does this in your hand instead

https://media.giphy.com/media/6we45Lecki2ME/giphy.gif


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(calls it like I sees it...personally I aim for B or C...A is stultifying -ly boring....since it is predictable and has usually been asked 1000 x before...so ask something way out there...may have a "eureka!" come of it...like a battery mod using electricity from potatoes ...way out there..outright hilarious and borderline dumb / mad...but it would probably work...just need a lot of potatoes or one giant potato hooked up to it...BTW- We REALLY need this mod...For years we have had the super smart solving issues ...and we are now hitting the brick walls...its time to bring in the mad and crazy folks to break through those walls with their ingenious ideas and pulpy bodies ...and solve the unsolvable ...)

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Just a teaser...

Nokia N900:

https://wizzup.org/leste-n900-cellular-v0.1.png

QEMU AMD64 VM with USB passthrough modem:

https://wizzup.org/leste-cellular-op...-name-home.png

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Would so much like to read an update. Have there been yet phone calls made with ofono? And other news too about leste. In their page their talked of monthly news but I think that wasn't reasonable idea. So much to do. Would just love that they would get it done, there would be an updated linux system.

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Trying to get one written. Been very busy, hopefully one or two more days.

More teasers (yes, it's not well integrated.):

https://wizzup.org/leste-sms-telepathy-ring-1.png

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You're doing God's work ...my good man.

I should know...
He told me so yesterday....

Of course our conversation had absolutely nothing to do with the fact I have been sleep deprived and chocolate high'd for 3 days straight...

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Update post time!

https://maemo-leste.github.io/maemo-...gust-2019.html

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Thank you! And thank you for putting time to give this detailed and thorough update. To hear the amount of work you have done and how much work it requires is eye opening. I will try to think a way to contribute to the project.

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This makes me to buy Motorola Droid 4 to run Maemo, it seems that it run SailfishOS too, so my only guestion is can I run both in same phone, just switching in boot?

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Yes you can with kexec droid

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You should be able to use kexecboot to boot to both Sailfish and Maemo Leste. I haven't tried this. Keep in mind that Maemo Leste doesn't work that great without hw accel yet. It's been worked on for the Droid 4 -- but it's not there yet.

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Would be nice to here how many people you have got as an active core developers with Maemo Leste and about how many are doing some application porting stuff? Just to know a bit of the interest people have. And which groups or communities have announced their interest on Maemo Leste? To know what kind of support you have outside of this community. If there wouldn't be F(x) Pro 1 I bet you would have more people on your team.

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Don't worry, F(x) Pro 1 doesn't run Maemo yet..so when they understand that Maemo is what they need, they come.

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Can I test Maemo-Leste if I have Fanoush's Boot Menu and not U-boot on my N900? Is there somekind real reason to use U-Boot?

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Fanoush Bootmenu allows you to run an alternative Linux distro using the kernel already on the device, since it is loaded after the kernel is already running.

u-Boot 'sits' where kernel normally sits, and gets loaded by the bootloader as if it is a real kernel. u-Boot then loads any normal kernel (Leste uses 5.x), and the rest is history ...

That said, the u-boot we use has Bootmenu built in, https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 . So yes, plain Bootmenu will not suffice for Leste.

Re: Maemo-Leste pre-alpha announcement
 

Sorry about my ignorance on this question but what are the main differences between Maemo and Maemo Leste?

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Mainly:

• KERNEL VERSION: Fremantle - 2.6; Leste - mainline, currently 5.x
• SUPPORTED DEVICES: Fremantle - N900 only; Leste - any device with mainline kernel support
• FOSS STATUS: Fremantle - some components closed; Leste - fully FOSS
• PROJECT STATUS: Fremantle - dead/frozen; Leste - WIP and should be supported into the future since it's fully FOSS
• HARDWARE SUPPORT: Fremantle - complete support for N900 hardware; Leste - WIP since some components, esp. 3D accel are still being worked on kernel-side

And many more

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Thanks for the explanations. What abou apps?

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From this thread I think it can be found that a lot of porting of fremantle apps have already been done and will be done more when Leste is running well. And I think there will be a lots of apps if Leste will be used on different devices so the user community grows and the interest from people having updated apps will lead developing them. Just a scenario but I believe it is plausible.

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About applications, that's covered in the "Project Status" part of the initial reply, that is, it's work-in-progress. All FOSS applications from Fremantle should run on Leste (perhaps with a few simple changes here and there or recompilation). Since there were not too many closed applications anyway, we can say nearly applications will be supported.

However, this is WIP for now, since some of those applications need libraries, etc. which are still being worked on, e.g. many needed Qt, which Leste has not packaged yet.

That said, even some Fremantle games are in the process of being ported, as you can see from the latest project status update, https://maemo-leste.github.io/maemo-...gust-2019.html

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How about device support for Nokia N810? I know that it will be slow with big apps, but how about light use of terminal programs etc.? Or is it impossible with that amount memory?

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Don't quote me ...since I cannot exactly recall...
But I think this question was already roughly answered with a "it should work on the n8x0s"
May want to get clarification on that though...

I don't see why it couldn't if the black box blobs of doom are dealt with...
and since a great deal of work was backported from the n900 to the n8x0s... back in the day...
it should be that much easier to deal with.

and...mmm...ram shouldn't have much to do with it..
if I can run antix linux on an old pc...and I mean old...
(antix can run on a p3 with 256mb of ram...soooo...)
there is no reason why we couldn't run leste on the n8x0s...
(sure the real heavy stuff may be too much ...but modest and light apps should run....which are the majority ..since tons of linux progs that were designed to be compact and run light anyway...soooo...moot point there...)

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Aaargh!

Each time i see someone has posted on this thread lifts me high. Waiting so much leste be ready. Hope to hear when they get phone calls working. That is a big thing.

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Have to ask: is the wiki status of N900 updated? I follow that and updating would help.

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I have played Linux version of Civilization Call to Power with Pentium 75Mhz with 40 MB Ram with Suse Linux 6 :) And it wasn't even slow after I replace KDE with Xfwm. And it wasn't even lowest X-window enviroment that I've tested, it was PC with 486/33Mhz with 16 MB and even with that I could read offline html-files with Netscape and it even stops swapping sometimes :) But I don't think current Linux kernel even fit to 16 MB..

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I don't see why it still would not scale down to whatever size needed. Couple of decades ago I ran linux 0.9x-something on a 33MHz 386sx with something like 4MB of core and as I recall it had pretty fantastic performance.

I am fairly sure the latest kernel scales down to the same size and performance if I just enable the same features I had in the system I was running back then and remove all the newer drivers and functionality.
The problem is I no longer have the original PC that I used back in the merry 90'es... my oldest hardware is 100MHz pentium and that'd be too powerful system to try this on.

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I have thought of running linux on my MikroMikko 6 laptop with 4mb ram but is has many games so not wanna spoil working setup.

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Little older Nokia..or was it under ICL name that time? EDIT: I know answer: it was under ICL brand.

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Can anyone get any information of Nokia Data KS-21 cash register laptop which had a narrow green screen, paperroll, magnetic card reader and a dock with a disket drive? It had 160mb closed rom with ms dos 3.1 on it. Before It was broken. Connected a hard drive to the diskdrive cables (which had worked with other old computers) and it gave one loud beep and was gone. I have tried to find information of it that how rare and expensive it would have been but have found really nothing. Took it apart and build a new computer of it with 7 inch colour screen, dvd player, touchpad, 8Gb ram, a fast ssd and JBL Cube inside as a speaker. All fitted to the old case. Still there comes days when I regret connecting that harddrive.

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Honestly, If N810 version will exist I wil try to run that one without gui on N95 8GB. Same SoC.

The problem is there is no bootloader so with every flash I will need to use service cables (that one which goes into battery place) with phoenix, but is possible :D

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I like that scenario!

If you haven't watch this I think you could like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlSRkUQhwjk

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I just managed to boot Maemo Leste on N900.
I am pumped!
Boot time maybe slower, but the UI is actually more responsive than the original Fremantle!

Now, I have some trouble to get WiFi working.
It could have two reasons, and I just want to make sure:
Is the non-free firmware mentioned in the wiki already included in the image?
Assuming it is, the other reason could be: my router does not use DHCP, so I need to define the N900's IP and nameservers manually. On Fremantle I could do this via "Internet connections", but on Leste the dialogue seems to end in a dead end at "Name and Type" (no connection types to choose from).
Do I have to tell my router to use DHCP or is there another way?

And how can I change the keyboard layout to Finnish/Nordic?
'setxkbmap fi' returns 'Error loading new keyboard description'.

Edit:
I now realise that mobile broadband (SIM card) might not be fully working either. Can I activate it via command line?
The SIM card inserted is not PIN protected and can provide 4G data connections.

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Is there any news?

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Yes it's a really amazing achievement!

Yes, it is not a firmware issue that you are facing

[I will test my Leste device a bit later. But your experience sounds a bit strange. You may want to start again with a fresh image.

Yes, there is no UI for managing SIM yet. However ofono works if you are willing to use terminal.
N900 hardware cannot do 4G by the way.

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How do I do that?
I could not find any instructions on wiki.maemo.org.

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It has low quality as noise cancelation is still problematic.

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A new Maemo Leste talk seems coming again to Bulgaria's OpenFest on 2nd of November. :D

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Will try to have the code/ui for that in alpha state in the next week or so. :)

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The maemo leste boots nice and clean. Great progress!! Wifi and terminal hacking all works out of the box.