Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

hhahahahahahahahaha

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Vote.
No matter about how long to wait. No matter about what was done wrong during development or in project management. It's a step towards a open mobile.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

"It's a step towards a open mobile."
I keep hearing such words....
If such mantras repeated work for you and others...
all the power to you...

But frankly ...
such statements are no more than guessing.
pure conjecture.

No one has any idea whether what the neo project will do ...in the final end...
to further ANY step towards an open mobile...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

endsormeans, I stopped reading your posts a long time ago. Your post are not constructive in any way only telling something in a negative manner. I also have problems how this project is done and about its progress. Please stop posting and telling the same all the time.

Sorry for that.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Here is where we disagree. For the record, I do not believe that this project will ever see the light of day, but if it ever did, then it would definitely be a step towards an open mobile. A step that at least half a dozen project may have had taken already by that time, but a step none the less.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Yep. :rolleyes:

I have been looking here
http://talk.maemo.org/memberlist.php...&ltr=L&page=23
but it did not show up.

As well as a TMO search did not spit it out.
(even with wildcard * used!)
did not bither to search outside

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

1. frankly: I do not believe
2. even if then it would be a chinese HMD device made/copy-catted (knowing almost every device is coming from there)
3. with the history of Nokia devices I may not even think to buy it

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Oops! I hope folks are not taking my post seriously. I just rearranged letters of Leste, which, as pointed out earlier, is same letters as estel.
I apologize if I caused confusion or created false hope. Again sorry...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

@ itsNotMe

I beg to differ..

firstly a blanket statement such as
"Your posts are not constructive in any way only telling something in a negative manner."

I suggest you just look to my signature and you will find plenty of links to constructive posts.
and hardly in a negative manner..
and many many more elsewhere..
please point to me all of your work at elevating and improving maemo and our community.
I would like to see your constructive work here.

Secondly ...
show me...
show me how this marvel of as neo has brought about... miraculously ... an open mobile for us.
Point at exactly the "thing" ..in the neo project ...
point at the very "thing" in the neo project that is going to be actually "in" the next open mobile...
and when the next open mobile is released...
please point out to me the PROOF "that exact thing that was contributed FROM the neo project TO that finished open mobile device" ....
and I will gladly and happily apologize.

Until then you have no visible , tangible, physical thing called "real evidence" to back up any of the claim you espouse.
it is pure hot air
It is pure conjecture
that ANYTHING neo has, is or will end up being used in any open mobile , at this point.



@ mscion
oh mannnnnn!?!?

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Unfortunately, this is an impossible task until it has been delivered. Frustrations and opinions are both running hot mainly due to the lack of deliverables.

But given the spirit of what the NeoN900 means and could mean, there's really nothing else out there like it. It is building on something that spawned fans and created a difference. Many folks here compare each and every device to their beloved N900.

Or in some cases, N800 or N810.

The point being... not much constructive can come about when there's nothing to point towards. But we can speculate all day... it is a forum. Who knows... something constructive may come out of that.

That's my take.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Has anyone from the Neo900 team reached out to HMD Global? They seem to be swayed by the nostalgia and there might be a chance for a cooperation ... look how popular all the GPD palm computers are ... It would not be too difficult to find the original design/dev team who brought us the N900 ... and with crowdfunding plus HMD's assistance, an N900 V2.0 could be conceived, since as I have checked last time, the Neo900 specs we have agreed would be already obsolete-ish ...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

The Neo900 was I believe nearly 100% bin compatible with our froxen blob ridden Maemo5 Linux so we might have been able to use most apps open and closed.
I would just be happy to have a similar form factor with slider KB a tough bezel and Nokia build quality with OSS drivers for everything where I can run something like Debian ARM though I like the UI of Maemo as an alternative to say Gnome or KDE. Give me real GNU Linux and I will be pretty happy as I was with the Zaurus SL-5500 and N900.
Closed un-upgradeable blob drivers have always been the bump which screws us. Even mainlining the Android kernel would give us a half-assed path forward with nasty blobs for a few years.
Would I love a Neo900 sure, could I afford something at the quote price a stretch, with tech closer to my N900 than current and no idea of a real OS nope. I have owned an OpenMoko, open hardware and software yes, but the experience was terrible, broke my heart but not remotely a daily driver and some of the software even being able to answer a phone call dice roll odds.
So even if we had Neo900s in our hands but without a well developed openMaemo or other OS it would be a crapfest for anything but a dev Tamagotchi that you have to feed hacks every few hours while carrying your real phone too.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

I think the best approach now would be for the neo900 project to launch a cryptocurrency ("latecoin"). Since they release essentially no information about the project status, they've already got the crypto part working. New latecoins could be mined by finding discarded n900 cases and other parts. Eventually, as the price of latecoins inevitably skyrocketed, it would become financially viable for a company to start manufacturing new n900s, just so that they could be disassembled to mine latecoins. We could then re-assemble the parts and get new n900s.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

hahahahhaa...
"...a dev Tamagotchi that you have to feed hacks every few hours..."
hahahahahhaa
o god !
that is such a great descriptive biketool!

And yes...
I completely concur.

Hopefully Leste will come around well.
meaning I can live without the neo's hardware keyboard ...
or jimmy-rig some mod.
or simply use a wifi or bt keyboard ...
in fact ...the moto (leste compatible) keyboard models....may suffice....better in fact...and more affordably..
or any of the other potential candidates.
It is just a wait and see with Leste

hahahaha
ah
that is very funny Ken
...odds are though...collecting and hoarding all the n900's in existence ..at best ....yes...would be noted and profiteering would commence...mainly in the form of perfect conditions to create the vacuum necessary for really bad chinese knock offs.

I do think that the most realistic view is...it would be a waste of resources ...and the outcome not what would be hoped for.


Just because one collects and sequesters away..
every known recyclable beer can tossed to the ditch ...
Does not mean the value of existing beer cans increases.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Ends, I have used a crappy microUSB KB folio with my Nexus 7(flo) tablet, it is pretty damn crappy and no N900 clickyness; not sure there is a decent add on keyboard out there as I clack this out on my Cherry blues.
I cant love my damn tablet though because while I want the hardware to all work I have to learn a gob of new commands and tools to tweak it. I get by with best possible privacy with LineageOS microG fork to replace Gapps and services, but it is still, to channel Trotsky, a deformed Linux derivative.
No easy local/ssh cli experience knowing where all of the .conf files are and what standard tools will do what I want.
IDK maybe I am just getting old but I like real normal GNU-Linux preferably with a Debian base, I don't to work hard I want a nice garden with no walls like we dreamed for a Neo900 with a 1.0 quality OpenMaemo to run on it.
I would shoot for a similar experience that I have putting Ubuntu onto a modern gaming grade laptop, can I get a mobile device like that?

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

there are enough projects working at it currently...
and showing signs of "almost there" ..
In a year or two I foresee they will have done the ugly work and it will be just fine tuning....
For us at that point it will be just picking the os of choice available and putting it on one of the available devices ...doubtless there will be ones with hardware keyboards.

I too wish the neo were where it should be after so many years....done.
Not where it is.
the situation is what it is..

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

What isituation? There is no situation anymore. Project has died probably waaaay sooner than we realized. Real alternative for n900 and users who also like maemo 5 platform not only for KB but also for UI should involve themselfs into leste on platforms faster then n900

We have no real KB but at least up-to-date maemo on better devies,
thats what we've been waiting for, right?

The n900 might be a good expierience with leste also but I for sure will choose alternative device.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

I think Ridd ...you mistook my words...
I was saying that the neo should have been done...finished...completed ..and shipped long ago for it to be relevant ....as in technologically relevant in a past tense...compared to the hardware specs that exist today...

today ..the neo specs are not comparable...especially not for the projected low estimated cost to the purchaser...

not when (hopefully) the Leste project means one could take their existing n900 and simply run a modern maemo experience...
or ...
take a different device completely (ie: mexus 5, moto, etc) and do likewise...

for the neo...
time was with the project for a span..
but then that window began closing...
as better device specs came about ...
the project lost the advantage when it was at par...
and then slowly time advanced and put the neo behind the eight ball...

Now it simply makes little sense in relation to the alternatives coming...

In this regard the neo project "is what it is.."

whether one wishes to call it a success from the standpoint of "good research which is or will be applied to current or future open source phones" ...as some have said...
is pure speculation until someone posts the direct linkage between this supposed implementation and the neo project.
or
whether one wishes to call it "a known risk and attempt at producing a next gen"
or
whether one wishes to call it purely "a failure to deliver .."

any of the above is purely a personal view at this point...

So...
the situation with the neo project ...
"it is what it is..."
(or to be more acute ...."it was what it was..." ..)

agreed with your other mentions...
Leste on the n900 or other devices ...helps to ensure the continued survival of our OS...
which has been my stated position for years here...
ever before the neo project came about..
... as THE prime imperative for our community ...

the future doesn't look now ...as bleak as it was ...years ago ...
there are other projects that are doing the same...
the movement by ubports, plasma, etc ...to implement linux on devices ...
So in all ...
it isn't as grim as it could be..

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tEaOfEJ3y8 : "open phone neo900 - brief pcb tour" by houkime who is designing it.

Communication is so great, no one here seems to have shared this before... It was published one month ago (11th of August).

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

well......comm. isn't what it used to be...

Excellent news though Zeta!

well...
excellent for some I imagine...
personally....at this moment...
.I see the "neo pcb tour" as exciting, relevant and timely as doing a n770 pcb tour

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

This had 26 views when I just checked.

I think that answers the question in regards to interest.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Just bumping! ;)

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

As someone who sold their Jolla two years ago in favour of a 6310i (whilst picking up a GS4 Mini for non-phone duties), I can only envision a completion of this project if they abandon N900 hardware. Just about all the N900 parts they would care to retain will be worn out and exhausted by the users that matter, by the time they start shipping units. Even if the selling price ended up rising above $2000, I reckon that incorporating an entirely new chassis & case parts would be better value in the long run than attempting to reuse N900 parts that could fail without warning.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

very good point.

I think as long as Maemo's evolving platform successors, currently Leste, manages to function optimally on alternate devices, eventually someone will manufacture a n900-esque device that hits all the proverbial buttons for those that desire it,
So I am not especially worried about the faux death of the n900,
it may very well have little impact on us in the end. (cross fingers .... hopefully...)

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Didn't see this thread by now. Still being interested, but lost any hope...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Moderator ...can you close this epically useless thread?

As far as the previous poster goes...
This redundantly pointless thread...
give it up...
half a decade of waiting...
funds thrown at it ...
proved a terrifically pointless waste.

Pining for something that will never be is also a pointless exercise.

Also necromantic raising of dead nowhere projects and their dead threads benefit nothing and no one.

Peter is right on the money... referring to the Leste thread ...
There is the future of maemo....and it Leste HAS a future.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

NOOOoooo...(with falling sound)
We are still interested in! But not ready pay anything before we see something.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Obviously ...
you just don't get it do you?
Have you actually read what the result was from the project team leader?
THE NEO IS DEAD.
IT ISN'T EVER EVER COMING.


Moderator close this useless thread please.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

@endsormeans

But you know the 'little' bird called Phoenix? :D
I personally do not mind to be rembered ...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Hahaha...
Well...
This turkey of a bird is not about to rise from the ashes Peter...

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

It is really too bad, I have a GTA02 OpenMoko, also a GDC phone and it was a substantial device with a real FOSS OS.
You had to tickey tack everything out on a microscopic keyboard from CLI using a stylus but it was a real computer in your pocket. I still had my everyday use Zaurus SL-5500 at the time though which IR tethered to my Nokia 6100 to get online, the Z was a Linux w/hardware keyboard pocket PDA.

Re: Who is still interested in Neo900?
 

Still interested in Neo900. But will be trying to use Fxtec Pro1 with Sailfish OS, for now. I do hope that it will be possible to boot Maemo Leste on it, with time. But for now, I have a Leste VM.

Thank you. Best wishes.
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