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How dare you.

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Ha ha ha! I know. I just had to do it! All in good fun!

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I would wouldnt mind iOS. It all about tradeOffs. If that would have been an option.

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Just a quick heads up that one unit and a PCB will be on it's way after this weekend for initial SFOS adaptation development. We will do full support if anything needed.

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Please dont add any effort to help sailfish/arora. You won’t get anything in return. Better focus on top notch delivery for android plus Maemo Leste.

If Jolla want to support you, fine. But make sure they have to do all the work. They can’t be trusted.

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Just want to make it clear that I am supporting the community port.

Dave, more post like this does not help. Let's keep our community in community level please. I won't comment on your statements.

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Awesome!!! This statement puts the Pro 1 a very different level!
Hope that it will be ported with love


Just add him on the ignore list. Apparently Dave999 has a troll fetish.

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Awesome!!! This statement puts the Pro 1 a very different level!
Hope that it will be ported with love



Just add him on the ignore list. Apparently Dave999 has a troll fetish.[/QUOTE]

Just my view as part of the community and want to see the Android and Maemo experience as good as possible. Others have other opinions and priorities. All equally important to the product. It has nothing to do with trolls or aliens.

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You don't have to worry about Android as it's the OS that will be shipped with. Maemo Leste is at the moment far away from usable.
SailfishOS onthe other hand is at least usable.

Just like Chenliangchen, not going to comment on your posts here

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No worries. Chen clarified what sailfish meant. Sailfish is not that useable and very expensive if you mean jollas version which was the one I was talking about.

Perfect! If you don’t have anything to say it’s better not to comment at all.

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I would just add, that you are of course entitled to your own opinion. However as someone who wants to use just about anything else then android I'd prefer not to scare away any potential sailfish development.

They screwed up, but so does many companies as they try and survive. Let your signature speak for it self :D

So I'm happy to support Maemo L, ubport, Librem phone and sailfish. Sailfish in many peoples opinion should have given up a long time ago, but they managed to hold on. Plus they are helping by. should what can be done and perhaps what shouldn't be done.

With that said, do what you got to do ;)

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Sure. I doubt I scare of anyone if so, they don’t believe in what they doing anyway :D
Consider this. How many posts about this project has told chen to focus on other os than android? I’m not saying it’s bad or defending android. I love to see other OS. Just made the point that poeple have different preferences and to say that do not scare away anyone.

This device is hopefully a multi OS device and that’s one of the greatest thing about it...possibly only beaten by the main feature. A REAL QWERTY.

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@chen and @htheb
this time I need to support one statement of Dave (I do know: never feed the ...)

We all know that Maemo Leste is not yet in a state to be used as daily driver but it is not that far from that (depending on your use case).
So a statement whether FX will be supporting Maemo Leste or not would give it another boost (imho).

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Now that the physical keys are back and warmly welcomed by many, hoping that people will soon acknowledge mobile phones are supposed to be portable and small, well, "mobile"!

Great work Chen and team!

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Well I did think about the N9 and Jolla 1, but I was kind of lazy to be honest. I should have said "some of the popular phones around here". :o

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I think it would be difficult for Fx Tec to make such a statement, particularly to make a commitment to supporting any operating system that they may not be familiar with. Supporting Maemo Leste properly means supporting mainline Linux, and that often relies on third-party suppliers (like Qualcomm) providing the necessary documentation and support, something that historically, has frequently not happened. If Fx Tec made such a statement and it did not meet expectations, could you imagine the uproar? Especially here on TMO, we've seen it plenty of times before. I think that from a business perspective, they've done the right thing to say "this is an Android device with an unlocked bootloader". Anything else really is a bonus. Let's not forget that whether we want Sailfish or Maemo Leste, we are a niche market and Fx Tec is a startup. They don't owe us anything. They have to succeed as a business first and foremost.

Liangchen has come out to say that they will support the community to get other OSs running on the device and I think that's great. I can also confirm that he kept to his word and contacted me via PM. He is serious about supporting mainline Linux. It's too early to tell how successful this will be, but the early signs are promising. :)

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I think the situation could not have been described better, wicket :) Thanks for the useful comment.

I completely see it the same way; Chen has stated to help both getting mainline supported (and thus Maemo Leste), and getting Sailfish OS supported. That's already super awesome in my opinion.

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Yes. Maybe I was not clear enough.
I trust Chen and did not await an offical announcement that the Pro1 will support/run Leste but only that they will help. And that statement was already given!

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Thank you Peter! I apologise first if my reply causes mis-understanding and confusion...

What I meant was not about Maemo Leste... That wasn't my intention at all. It was Dave's accusation to another company that makes me feel uncomfortable. Ultimately we are all small group of users fight for something we love. I just want to state I am not with Dave's continuous accusation, that's it. ;)

Thank you. SFOS community port was what I have planned a long time ago and I (sort of) know which level of help and support I can provide to make that happen. So I am doing what was planned. However mainlining the SoC is something new to me, and I need time to discover what we could help with the process. Wicket has provided some very valuable information about the direction, but I need some time to work out with the team the best way of moving forwards. I don't want to false promise things I am not 100% certain yet, but what I meant is I will support as much as I can, just as SFOS community port. And I need to find out how.

So what I meant was not comparing the solutions, but ultimately we are a community and want to get back what we have missed 10 years ago. There is no need starting fight within such a small group. :)

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Thanks for this post chen! I'm glad, that I ordered, even so I struggle a little bit with the size of the device . This post showed once more, that I made the right decision.

Can we make that post sticky?
Maybe if Dave can read it everytime before he posts, all this bitter and accusations will have an end. Maybe he can see that these are more destructive, than in any way helpful.
Even so I doubt, it's worth a try - hope dies at last.

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Same thing goes with Apple and google as well then. No accusation(as you call it) on this question on anything towards any company? You cant cherrypicking.

Put on you big boy/girl pants :)
We need a healy community where we can be displeased with OSs or companies and prefer other.

In this case I was just looking for if it was official jolla or community port and would prefer focus on Maemo Leste and android support since this is my main preference for this device currently. :D

If you have other plans, hopes for this device. please share it, but please leave me out of the equation since ultimately it doesn’t matter what I want since chen is running the show. Exactly as he is suppose to.

But if you do want to include me for any reason. That is fine to since I am here and can clarify any thoughts you have regarding my posts. But the is better to talk to me and not about me ;)

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Dave, there is no problem to criticize companies or people, if you do it an objective way and in an adequate degree. You have left that path long ago.

What about google or apple? Well I don't like them and in my opinion they do more things wrong, than right. But no, not everything they do is wrong and you can't read my opinion about them in EVERY post i make.

We all know your opinion about Jolla, there is no need to tell us over and over again. Even so I can't understand your over all judgement over them, I think they made some mistakes in the past. But hey humans tend to make mistakes. So did you when you invested in a indiegogo campaign without recognizing, there are some risks for your money.

By the way I have the trousers on that fit to me. Of course you can be displeased with a company. Who am I that I would want to forbid somebody his opinion. A community lives from different opinions and factual discussions.

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The refund is one thing I am displeased with(or rather lack of information regarding that) plus they stood on the stage and told us we would get the device, guaranteed, then they said they had something else in store for us. A suprise. Still nothing. So de couldn’t even give their most loyal backers a free licence. We had to buy it with our refund money. Disgusting.
secondly the rediculas amount for using their OS. You have to buy it for every single device + you have to buy new devices. And the last one is that it’s an russian company now( but let’s not expand in to that)

That said I have a few devices with sailfish and there are plent of issues that won’t be fixed for years it seems.

I do like jolla for what they tried to do and keep trying but to me, they lost track of some important things along the way. I also appreciate the great deal of long term updates they provide for their OS. Most of my distrust in jolla is related to how they handle their customers and community. Not technical issues.

Don’t really care what jolla are doing today.
That said I might buy something to help jolla in the future becouse everyone can improve. But they have to help the community and supporters and not they other way around mainly.

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Dave, how do you expect companies to get money to pay their costs? From advertisements ?

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That is a fair point. you have to put it in the perspective that we just bought every thing they release to help them and they couldn’t even give away a licence for free or even discount to community.

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How likely is the price to go down in the coming two years? I'd be willing to wait for that. (and hardware prices usually peak just after the release)

650 EUR is a lot in Poland, where the average net pay is ~820 EUR. [the average pay is usually a good indicator of a price level in a country]

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It really hard to tell. But I wouldn't expect a price drop. Main reason for that is basically if you have large quantities in stock that you need to get rid of or you want to get market shares.

I doubt we will see any of that unless chen going full crazy and manufacture 100k devices.

That said we might see some campaigns along the way but I would be surprised if we see a regular big price drop within two years.

But this s just me guessing:D look at jPhone1 lifecycle as a simular example.

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lets hope that we will have a new device in two years time rather then worry how much the price of this one will drop.
650€ is a lot of money but considering what this phone is how it came to be it, it's actually priced way more reasonable than any big brand name flagship out there.

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Bold statment given that we know verify little about the the production ready device. I would’t sign that bill since there are quite potent top of the line devices for 650.

But given the tiny quantity and man hours behind the price seems pretty fair to me. But what I have no clue of how it will work. But of course we do always have to consider the smallness of vendor. I would be carful comparing with flagship of the world.

Price for usability is pricless.

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Ordered. #7144

Finally I ordered after a long time of thinking. My concern is the size of the device. I even build a paper model :-)

When I decided to replace my beloved N900 with a Jolla, I had the same concerns. Nowadays the Jolla is tiny compared to all the other devices, but it still feels huge when walking around. The size of the Pro1 will certainly take some time to get used to, but it will happen - eventually.

Having a device with a hardware keyboard will additionally increase the size of the display, as it isn't necessary to display a virtual keyboard any longer.

What I really, really, really wish for are three things:
1) The project has to succeed. I want that thing. Really hard!
2) It must run Sailfish
3) Almost the most important one (please don't laugh): I want it to have a colour like Jolla Lime: http://jollasuomi.fi/wp-content/uplo...me-420x469.jpg

This is such a ridiculous colour! Every time I look at the lime phone, I have to smile :-)
Buying this stupid plastic peace for 30€ was one of the best investments I ever made, because of this. I would be willing to pay even more for the Pro1, if it wouldn't be painted in the usual and boring black/grey/mainstream sh*t.

@Jolla: You reading this? If that's the case, please find some resources to support this device as you did with Planet Computers and their Gemini PDA. And thank you for the lime TOH!

@Chen: Thumbs up for your courageous endever! Thank you! And make it lime! (ignore the possibility to eventually loose all the previous 7143 orders ;-)

@wicket, HtheB and all the other wizards, trying to port Sailfish to it: Thank you so much!

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ibins, I would say you might (big maybe) remove the back with and get it painted. However a better solution would be to go to one of these sticker/cover site and get a custom Lime adhesive backing made ;)

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xmas: I guess a thanks wihtout a comment like this on this recommendation is not enough ;-)

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Over 2000 preorders already by my calculations
The keyboard mod had over 1600 backers. Assuming the majority of those users placed orders, they still picked up quite a few customers, including myself. I have yet to see a coverage from cnet (America not Spanish) or gsmarena. Most coverage has been good but I'd like to see even more. They need everyone talking about this phone
I wonder how many devices they would have to sell for this to be sustainable

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How did you come to that number? Does that include all the ppl on other sites saying that they've placed orders?

Will probably get more review once the first production/final ones come from the factory.

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Does the preorder price include tax to EU after brexit? Or has Livmortium set aside funds like most British companies do to cover the cost? Or do you ship directly from HK to EU?

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I certainly hope it ships from the UK since otherwise I would get assraped with """customs"""" fees.

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If it shipped from HK i would cancel my order. Most certainly would pay half the price in taxes

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I would assume they are planning to do it becouse they are based in London. But what if UK/EU do split without a deal. It won’t be cheap for you? Or do you mean it will be no tax after brexit?

It does say it’s only delivery cost and tax to US so the rest of the world should be fine and covered by livmortium I guess. We are Golden! :cool:

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We will look after the custom charges. It will arrive as a local delivery for EU and NA. I.e user don't need to pay custom taxes.