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netman 2019-09-01 02:36
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559782)
sure we can be happy, but negative memories from keyboard mod will always be following this team. I recall that keyboard mod was cancelled just because "low market interest", in other words - because of greed.
Low market interest means only very few units will be sold, and there are minimum order quantities and economy of scale that'd make production cost much more than what one could sell for... Ending something because it's not economically viable and eats money rather than bringing a single cent is not greed, especially not when offering a full refund to everyone who invested while this is in no way an obligation with kickstarter projects.

There's a risk in being an early adopter or backing a kickstarter campaign and that is known upfront, so I don't understand the bitterness. It's sad keyboardmod did not work out but motorola phones and keyboardmods will be the last thing anyone cares to think about when we have pro1 in our hands...

olf 2019-09-01 15:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
The reason for cancelling the mass production of the Moto-Keyboard was that Motorola suddenly decided to cancel their support for MotoMods (technical, marketing, distribution etc.)

You can read the details e.g. here at TMO, instead of drawing broken analogies, speculating etc.
"Use the force, read the source" is quite meaningful far beyond Free Software!

VaZso 2019-09-01 16:12
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olf (Post 1559797)
The reason for cancelling the mass production of the Moto-Keyboard was that Motorola suddenly decided to cancel their support for MotoMods (technical, marketing, distribution etc.)

You can read the details e.g. here at TMO, instead of drawing broken analogies, speculating etc.
"Use the force, read the source" is quite meaningful far beyond Free Software!
The team who was in connection with them has changed, as far as I know, there were no responses from Motorola for a while. It took some time for them to be able to communicate the team again (with their successor?) in some way; there were special parts necessary for the connection with the phone which had to be ordered in high volume, etc... It seemed not to be an easy thing to even communicating with the Moto team after it... anyway, I am not an insider...

...but with Keyboard Mod, they were depend mostly on Motorola, their approving scheme and parts which had to be ordered in much higher quantity than they was really need...

Kabouik 2019-09-02 13:28
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Less than one quarter of a month. One week. Seven days. One hundred sixty-eight hours. Ten thousand eighty minutes.

Don't you dare replying "the second week of September does not necessarily mean next Monday" or "who says you are in the first batch", I might have rabies. And I might bite. Hard.

deutch1976 2019-09-02 13:59
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
What was the real benefit to make a pre order for a "special" price?

Kabouik 2019-09-02 15:06
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
For all we know so far, the real benefit was to get the device earlier. Not that we know when exactly we will get it or how many orders are in the first batch, but we do know that ordering now means a later delivery.

Since we do not know yet whether the Pro1 will be a commercial success (I hope it will, F(x)tec surely deserves their hard work to pay off), pre-ordering was also a way to make sure we would get a device, since we knew the first batch was already funded. But let's hope there will be other batches, would be best both for customers and manufacturers.

netman 2019-09-02 16:17
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I figured this may be worth reposting from the official fxtec forum, FinQwerty will support Pro1 soon:
https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/pro1.html
https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/s.../5/#post-34221

chenliangchen 2019-09-02 16:49
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1559737)
Hey Chen!
Could you disclose the name of the technique used to make the new back surface more grippy?

I have clearly generalized too much yesterday when i stumbled over the term soft-grip used by NY attendees.
.
Now after a night of research i realize there are gazillions of material combinations and techniques to give a surface more grip and just the public/marketing reduces all to one term.

My gripe seems to be with bad and/or cheap mixtures of Styrene Ethylene Butylene Styrene SEBS used in the early days and in low end products nowadays.

Only the name would be enough so i can research further for myself. Thank you!

EDIT, Is there any image where we can see the new back? The NY attendees understandably concentrated on the front and i did not see a picture of the new back surface.
We have changed the coating and the oxidising process of metal of the back cover to make it more matte. And that's all. :) Compared with July units that you have seen, the new back cover certainly being less slippery and captures less fingerprint. Feedback we received compared with July back cover has been mostly positive given it's easier to grip and leaves less things on it. :)

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-02 17:01
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Still nothing regarding a release date Chen?

chenliangchen 2019-09-02 17:03
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1559832)
Still nothing regarding a release date Chen?
Working hard to achieve the target at around mid of September for the very first batches.

mosen 2019-09-02 17:58
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1559831)
We have changed the coating and the oxidising process of metal of the back cover to make it more matte
https://shawn.dewolfe.ca/sites/defau...s/worth-lg.jpg

Kabouik 2019-09-02 19:21
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by netman (Post 1559829)
I figured this may be worth reposting from the official fxtec forum, FinQwerty will support Pro1 soon:
https://android.onse.fi/finqwerty/pro1.html
https://www.fxtec.com/forums/topic/s.../5/#post-34221
Another very interesting post here about another solution that might be offered by F(x)tec themselves: long press on letter opens a pop-up with special characters.

I personnaly prefer a true US-intl layout, with remapped keys and dead keys (hopefully sticky), but their solution would be good for many non-nerdy users, and would make the fixed hardware layouts a lesser issue for people speaking other languages.

Really hope US-intl with dead keys *and* a pop-up solution can both work in Sailfish.

kinggo 2019-09-02 19:24
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
why is this still under competitors? It competes against what exactly? :D

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-02 20:49
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1559833)
Working hard to achieve the target at around mid of September for the very first batches.
"mid-september"

HYPE
https://i.imgur.com/vaHhyCH.gif

robthebold 2019-09-02 22:20
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1559836)
why is this still under competitors? It competes against what exactly? :D
There isn't an "Allies" Forum (yet). Hmm -- maybe there should be. It doesn't quite belong in "Sailfishes" (also yet, I hope) either.

On the flip side, it is a rather one-of-a-kind product these days.

So ya, maybe there should be a forum where devices that could run some form of Sailfish -- but don't have to and maybe don't out of the box -- could be discussed.

xman 2019-09-03 00:08
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Wasmachinemann-NL, you should be honored I made a ublock just for that nerve-racking anime gif ... shheeesh! lol

x

electristan 2019-09-03 00:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1559833)
Working hard to achieve the target at around mid of September for the very first batches.
That mid-September date would be amazing. Off on 3 week vacation to Japan on the 20th, would-be such great tool to bring.

I'm rooting for you all! ;)

Nikos Alexandris 2019-09-03 06:00
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayki (Post 1558984)
The device is incredible, definitely worth every Cent, and Sailfish is running really nice on it already. Even Camera did work.
How well does the camera work though? Does it focus well/fast?

Kabouik 2019-09-03 09:22
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikos Alexandris (Post 1559850)
How well does the camera work though? Does it focus well/fast?
The post you quoted followed an event in Germany in early August. Check more recent reports after the NY event, specifically this part:

Quote:
How is autofocus speed? (time between half-press of camera button and focus lock)

xman
Pretty fast. But everything is faster than my n900.

Gravewell
It's pretty subtle but it focuses pretty fast. I'd say less than a second. Be forewarned that i'm not much of a photo person.



How is the shutter lag? (time between full press of camera button and photo taken, after focus locked)

xman
They are still working on optiumization of the camera. But it seemed pretty fast.

Gravewell
Shutter lag is about 1-2 seconds, no rapid fire pictures with this badboy in its current state. That's the lag beween pushing the button and having photo available for review.

The button doesn't have a great feel for 2 stage press compared to my sony xz premium. Its "mushier", if you will.

Shutter lag I hope is software, but probably closer to 1 second than 2.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-03 12:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xman (Post 1559848)
Wasmachinemann-NL, you should be honored I made a ublock just for that nerve-racking anime gif ... shheeesh! lol

x
wat.

Calling Edd, Ed 'n Eddy anime is like calling a Asko a Miele!

catbus 2019-09-03 14:18
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikos Alexandris (Post 1559850)
How well does the camera work though? Does it focus well/fast?
I hope to see photos taken with a Pro1 at this month's photo competition!

gtmaster303 2019-09-03 15:35
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1559821)
Less than one quarter of a month. One week. Seven days. One hundred sixty-eight hours. Ten thousand eighty minutes.

Don't you dare replying "the second week of September does not necessarily mean next Monday" or "who says you are in the first batch", I might have rabies. And I might bite. Hard.
As excited as I am, I'm not holding my breath. Until I have a tracking number, everything is subject to change
Please prove me wrong Chen...

xman 2019-09-03 16:16
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1559866)
wat.

Calling Edd, Ed 'n Eddy anime is like calling a Asko a Miele!
haha, I was too lazy and distracted to actually type ... anim-ated.

x

netman 2019-09-03 17:19
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1559878)
I hope to see photos taken with a Pro1 at this month's photo competition!
I'm waiting for it to come to submit an entry :).

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-03 18:07
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by netman (Post 1559889)
I'm waiting for it to come to submit an entry :).
I really look forward towards filming my appliances in glorious 4K!

deutch1976 2019-09-04 12:03
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
€778.80 now

Kabouik 2019-09-04 13:02
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1559773)
The price change is so low I am actually not sure this is the increase that was announced earlier. Brace yourselves and get ready for another shitstorm in the next pages if it is not.
Godspeed, boys.

gtmaster303 2019-09-04 14:10
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Google just released Android Q (10). I wonder if the fxtec team is already working on their release for the Pro1...
I know the phone won't ship with 10 but considering they wanted to mirror the schedule Google uses I would like to think we will have the update in the near future

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-09-04 14:55
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1559902)
Godspeed, boys.
I suppose thats the price you pay for a niche device.

Kabouik 2019-09-04 15:22
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1559907)
I suppose thats the price you pay for a niche device.
Yes, probably. I am not surprised that the final price is higher for a niche device than a mainstream one at similar specs, plus this one's keyboard is not something you would find elsewhere, nor is it cheap to produce I guess. But I am afraid my personal opinion won't change Shaihkritzer's. :D

catbus 2019-09-04 15:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Is VAT included in this price?

[edit]
I'm sorry, that ^ was not negative... Just did not check before...

So only...:

"Shipping costs to your location will be added to your order at the check-out."

[/edit]

electristan 2019-09-04 16:19
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Hmm in Norway it has gone up to $699, from the original $649

I guess since we are outside the EU we use dollars, but it's odd the price increase is much less than in the EU

Still worth it for a specialised device (assuming quality of course)

catbus 2019-09-04 21:07
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by electristan (Post 1559911)
Hmm in Norway it has gone up to $699, from the original $649
You lucky bastards ;)

Quote:
I guess since we are outside the EU we use dollars, but it's odd the price increase is much less than in the EU
I think trade war between USA and China affects less to other countries, than Brexit in EU.

Quote:
Still worth it for a specialised device (assuming quality of course)
Of course!!!

[edit]
In my opinion, Finland should attack to Norway armed and after cross the border, surrender immediately.
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hagiz 2019-09-04 21:20
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by electristan (Post 1559911)
Hmm in Norway it has gone up to $699, from the original $649

I guess since we are outside the EU we use dollars, but it's odd the price increase is much less than in the EU

Still worth it for a specialised device (assuming quality of course)
Do you know how much it will be after customs in Norway? Any way to reclaim British VAT if we have to pay double?

chenliangchen 2019-09-04 22:46
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1559900)
€778.80 now
I think it should be €649, unless there is an error with the website. Let me check with the team and get back. This doesn't look correct to me.

Update: Confirmed this is an error and shall be fixed shortly...

rewt 2019-09-05 00:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559924)
if site is so buggy first it gets blocked by nearly every bank as a fraud, then it gets wrong prices... it doesn't sound to be a reliable way to buy Pro1.
You obviously weren't around for the N900 pre-order...

Nokia USA canceling pre-orders?
Nokia.com N900 orders/Pre-orders
shop.nokia.co.uk cancelled my order - UK
Nokia's old and new order systems, and "cancelled" orders

I, as well as many others, found it nearly impossible to order due to fraud nonsense. Then when we finally did get an order in, it was randomly cancelled. Nobody had a clue what was going on, including Nokia.

The Pro¹ ordering seems to be going very well by comparison.

netman 2019-09-05 01:12
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559924)
lol. wonder if anyone ordered with wrong price and did he get a refund :D
Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure they'll refund anyone who paid too much because of this mistake.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1559924)
that's getting rediculous. if site is so buggy first it gets blocked by nearly every bank as a fraud, then it gets wrong prices... it doesn't sound to be a reliable way to buy Pro1. maybe try some more stable and trusted ways to distribute? like Aliexpress for example.
My bank blocked aliexpress and needed a phone call before the first time I could buy there, but not fxtec. Credit card companies are overly cautious about anything not a big established business outside of the country where the card is from, this isn't fxtecs fault and probably also only affects a minority of customers most of which can fix it with a phone call. Selling via another platform would probably add to the cost and is not a sensible thing to do for pre-orders, I do hope they will manage to have big online retailers sell in the future as that'd help their success :).

On the subject of third parties selling Pro1's, I spotted this some time ago, no idea if it's legit: https://www.clove.co.uk/products/fxtec-pro1

Metsämies 2019-09-05 03:20
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Business users (in EU) should buy without VAT with their VAT-id. Now it isn't possible.

DDark 2019-09-05 04:11
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by netman (Post 1559926)
On the subject of third parties selling Pro1's, I spotted this some time ago, no idea if it's legit: https://www.clove.co.uk/products/fxtec-pro1
It’s a legit Partner/Reseller, It was confirmed by Chen during my meeting with the team in June.

I was asking if it’s better to order from them, since sometimes there are issues with shipping Radio transmitting devices to Israel, and I’ve already bought few phones from Clove in a past.

deutch1976 2019-09-05 06:07
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1559923)
I think it should be €649, unless there is an error with the website. Let me check with the team and get back. This doesn't look correct to me.

Update: Confirmed this is an error and shall be fixed shortly...
Back to the €649


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