Excessive trolling on TMO
 

The level at which some trolls are flooding this entire forum is alarming.

Every single thread seems to have been flooded lately with pointless, unconstructive, trying-to-be-funny reply messages.

It's really annoying to see active topics that spark my interest being spammed out by trolls with pointless meme pictures and irrelevant information.

I wish the moderators/community council could do something about that.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

I have to say I am not totally of different mind; there are lots of off-topic postings (but at least some stay in offtopic forum)

However for me that is not a great problem, one can easily skip the posts not relevant to one's focus.

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I wish you will find a buyer!!!!11!!!

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If you are following the thread, I second that. But I you stumble over a thread and want to find relevant information it's not so easy with all this posts.

The problem I see is, where to draw the line. Sometimes the offtopic posts are really funny, and I think it would be really boring, if there were NO posts like that. But yes I'm often also annoyed from the sheer mass of nonsense posts.

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Guilty! I try to learn. Was before in social media and learned bad habits. Sorry folks.

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Guilty! I only post in two threads but can be pretty intense with my posting since Nokia abandoned Maemo! Yeah, and also before that :D petty much all the time when we are close to release.

I also find TMO a place to shot first and not ask question later instead of of ask question nicely as well as state intent of a specific thread in the initial post!

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Guilty! I'll shut my fingers up now. Bye.

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ooooh boy
guilty too...sure I'll tone it down.
You are using a very broad brush painting folks as trolls is a harsh one though.
hell half a post I write may be on topic and answering a question or solution to a prob, and the other half larking around...
hell everyone has gone off topic somewhere sometime...
no one is lily white and faultless if we are speaking of staying on topic...

The issue of finding relevant information in the forum here has ALWAYS been a challenge to sift through threads and posts of conversation,
that has been this place from day one.
Don't take my word for it, do searches pertaining to any topic here as far back as the beginning of this place, you will find topical posts, quasi topical posts and barely-hanging-by-a-thread posts, and straying off topic posts...
Dating back all the way to 2005...
Long before I or most of the current members have been here.

Actually if one does a search,
One of the first things I did when joining here was try to find a SOLUTION to this dilemma, not just call folks out and paint them as trolls.
I attempted to implement a method of being able to accurately sift at a click and find what query was being searched for.
Not an easy thing to do,
hell... I still am working on the project, though it seems dormant in the "garage" here.

I don't think what is wished for here is moderation from a moderator though,
I think what is desired here is absolute control over what people write, how they write it, the exact percentage of content and whether or not it meets a specific standard of specific approval....by specific people.

Here ...over time ..
I have seen the Grammar Police,
the Syntax Police,
the Post-to-long-didn't-read Police,
and now Content Police.

So ...if a post is not even close to the topic sure...you are right.

But
If a post is humour based on topic ...what then?

if a post has exact information in it that is pertinent and important...and as well has superfluous, reminiscences, or humourous content in it...what then?

If a post is:
asking a question, repeatedly even (if no one responds) ,
a new or old member asks questions that have already been answered elsewhere,
agreeing with another,
or disagreeing,
is that considered "content"?
Or is the above considered "fill"? taking up useless space and detracting from the ability to find relevant information?

If a post has bona fide complaint and concern in it, wish to inform others of said concern, to inform and warn, but it offends the agenda of some...(such as Dave's past issues and concerns for example) ...what then? does that paint them as troll? Some have done so. And I believe that that is SO offensive as to be considered morally repugnant.

So...
Where is the "cut-off"?
Since all are guilty here
What is the desired exact content percentage in a post?
Please specify the Draconian rules one wishes to insist on.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

You do not nesserley have to tune down. It could be that you are on a superior level and others have to tune up to level.

It’s indeed very user specific what is meant.

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I'm quite new here and have wondered is there a part in this forum where there are only instructions to specific stuff? So that there would be the talk section where people chat over different topics but then another place where there are clear and detailed instructions made based on what knowledge people have shared on the talk threads? Maybe I should start to search the forum more. It is just that on many threads people are talking of the hack this guy made or the patch another one made and with those things work and older members seem to know this stuff. But is there a place if a new member comes and he could start to follow instructions how to make the most out of N900? I found couple instructions about the perfect setup for N900 but those didn't include the hacks and patches I've seen discussed or mentioned about on different threads. And I did it again. Of the topic. Darn me.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

No.
your question is valid.
There is the forum, the wiki, the "garage", the "wayback machine" and google as search options

if you think the n900 subforums are vast and deep and hard to gather the info from ..
The n8x0 subforums are even deeper...with more in them...

But you struck on the meat of an issue that has been a focus of my continued project, how to sift the wheat from the chaff of the threads in this place to get the exact information one needs.
As you have said Maemish, there is a lot of posts stretched across this forum, with "mentions", "meanderings", "tidbits" and references, and amalgamating them into an easy to reference format that doesn't include 50 "tabs" in one's browser open to do it...the real big issue.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

If all cars on the highway come towards you,
you can be sure to be the ghost driver.

Ariadeno, will your concern be bettered by the usual suspects, including myself, by promising improvement to keep Off-Topic in Off-Topic or do you have concrete measures in mind to discuss?

Since i am here i look at what Mods do and try to get a feeling based on what they criticize.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

What do you mean?

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

I'm not guilty

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

instead of attempting to dictate methods of control over others, their natural behaviour, the methods of interaction in this forum.
Which will result in either some adhering to an agenda that is specifically tailored, or most adhering for a time to it, or an all out rebellion...

If the mandate is to "self censor posts"
and make sure non pertinent dialogue in a post is omitted,
I have no problem doing that,
Since virtually every post I have ever done has some element however small of superfluous content....regardless of the bulk of questions found, answered, or solutions to issues...
I don't mind adhering to implemented Draconian edicts and be rigorously and attentively compliant by doing a complete "fire sale" on every post I have done that contains non-relevant information.
which...would be a 99% burn.

Either the complaint is about "off topic" posts ..
Or the complaint threatens to go into a very very grey area....
Since the complaint appears to be about percentage of data "content" and an attempt to collar any other additional dialogue, either directly or indirectly relevant to the topic inside the post....

I would suggest more a more constructive solution than trying to "engineer" normal human behaviour .

Instead of Draconian measures which will most definitely damage this place, and give pause for folks to post anything...
(and that will be very detrimental...hell...I can't count the number of meandering posts I have come across...and yes they are irritating...hell I am complicit....but I have seen said meandering posts on a topic either hit on a "eureka!", or an "Oh my god! I forgot about "X"! there is a possible solution.."..the human mind does not produce results clinically...but by banter, discussion, meandering down neural pathways of memory...and interaction on this level with others...collar and stomp it out and you threaten this place in ways that one can only imagine...)

Find a way to utilize a better search engine that will hunt for key things pertaining to a query,
code, links, detailed technical terms.
That solves the dilemma which has been the root issue of this place since its inception.

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Lets be honest here, without the constant off topic prattle this place would look rather deserted.

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Absolutely!
The only solution I think which would be handy would be a technical one:
If people would have the possibility to mark there post with off topic, there could be a filter view for threads. So if you just want to chat with some people you could see the full thread. If you are looking for some information you could reduce the thread to the essentials.

But I don't think the forum platform is capable to do that and even if, there would be a lot of work for the guys who are are making a great job by keeping that platform stable and running.

So I think we should live with that off topic stuff.

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Or even better, if others could mark posts as off-topic.
Others are usually more suitable to judge your actions than you are yourself.

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

Thread name should be "Exclusive trolling on TMO". AND I STILL HOPE YOU WILL FIND A BUYER!!!

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

Yes, people, why do you have to troll exclusively on TMO? Why can't you be like Ancelad and wish Ariadeno to find a buyer?

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Gee, I've never trolled. Sounds like fun! Any pointers on how to best do it?

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Hurray!
Research time!

wellllll...
I am no expert...or novice even ...
But it is a good idea for all to "know thy enemy"

So I searched...
and the top three links are suggested.
https://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Troll ( with pictures!)
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html
https://www.mandatory.com/fun/172527...eginners-guide

I think the overwhelming drive for a troll is to upset the balance of normal dialogue....
From what I have read thus far...
"thread derailment" does not even come close to the real damage trolls aim at.

fascinating...
"Troll subculture"...
I never knew..

Re: Excessive trolling on TMO
 

is it trolling if I say that this post reminds me about Dave ? :rolleyes:
TBH when I read "usual suspect" It made me laugh like "mouhahahahaha"
#devil's_advocating :D :D

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hahahahahahaaaaa
I'm so sorry Dave...
But ...
hahahaahahahahaaaa
that was damn funny Boemien.

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Trolling in my name is illegal!

Just becouse poeple don’t aggree with me and just have to post that in very strange and off topic ways which just derail the thread further of topic and then blame me for the stunt is legendary.

Usually I’m just on topic at first. But I follow the flow most of the time even if I have derailed one or possibly two threads.

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So even though I think your posts are very relevant, they can give the impression that you are on the defensive! (maybe due to the Jolla Tablet story - or scam if you want).
it may annoy some people but some of your interventions have the merit to be done! some, not all of them!
to conclude, it takes a little bit of everything to build a big family :D

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I don’t see any reason to be on the offensive. Poeple fighting on the interwebs is just lame.

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So if you were to truly troll this thread should one make a post concerning Linux or related technical topics concerning N900 and so forth?

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A good first step of trolling is going after specific people for their opinions.

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This was a very clever way to smoke the trolls from their hiding place. A general accusation about trolling draws trolls. What would be the rock to throw to make them (us) to change as stones? But this was a relevant topic. To honour the true concern. But yes, trolling would be purposly to go after someone or many to make them to be annoyed until flipping. Then there comes the laughing troll gif as a mark of success. Haven't really seen real trolling on this forum yet and that's good. Spamming would have been more correct even though it is also quite harsh. Just "Try to keep posts on topic" or "Stop offroading" could have been convenient. It could be put that if what have occurred on these forums is called trolling then the header and the start of this thread should also be caunted as such. Cause this was clearly pointed to some and the manner was one that would sure be petrol on flames.

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Tricked me! Here I am. Me bites da bullet.

General accusation is never a good thing. General accusation on a crime scene doesn’t attract murderers.
I think it’s more of a buzzword that everyone can relates to. In their own mind. Plus most people thinks other people trolling. Not me, not me and I am fine with the general belief is not me. Very simular with a thread like ” xxx phone is the best”.

That’s why I like the general threads like this one. Everyone can have an opinion and move discussion in whatever direction of their choosing.

Or “The Fx phone - are you ready?”

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