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Yeah buddy!

And rofl at my MOSH ranking:

Texrat
My rank: 42,599 (top 101%)

The top 101%! Yay! Wait-- wtf kinda stat is THAT??? :eek:

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You just prompted me to try, but it seems the "Mobile Phone Number" field is required for registration even though it's not marked with an asterisk. I wonder if that will change should these rumors of the N810 prove correct.

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This is some form of horrible torture. My N800 is sat unloved behind me on the desk. Tossed aside at the mere hint of new tech to come :)

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Yep, when I signed up, I couldn't help noticing that two of the top categories were 'breasts' and 'boobs'. Yea baby!

Seriously, I have to wonder what makes this portal/service different other than the fact that it seems to be supported by Nokia? The UI is so last century!:eek:

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No, it's not necessary. I just signed up leaving the number blank.

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That did not work for me using Firefox on Mac OS. MOSH redisplayed the registration form web page, this time with the text "You must enter a phone number" in red below the phone number field. However, I was able to sign up by visiting http://mosh.nokia.mobi/start in MicroB on my N800. That registration page didn't include a phone number field.

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Worked fine for me on Firefox for Windows.

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I hope that even if it does have a slider querty keyboard (EW!), that they do something about the way the characters are so freaking close to each other. I think that they were on to something big with an on-screen keyboard and they develop on it, making it more user friendly for people that aren't double jointed.

At least they should keep the on-screen keyboard on there, for us to decide which method we want to choose.

And when they discussed it becoming more mainstream, I hope to GOD they don't put a Windows based O.S on there. I'll shoot someone.

Nerf .ash and put bash on there!

Kthnxbai

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I doubt we'd lose access to the virtual keyboard if they added a slide keyboard. That would not make much sense. If it was a clamshell design then maybe due to the form factor but not for slideout.

One thing a slide keyboard would do is make the ports of various Ultima games mentioned in the games section a bit easier :) That's good enough for me.

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Just an interesting note... Whenever I search for N810, most of the hits appear to be that carphone someone posted earlier in this thread...It's obviously 810 (thats the way Nokia lists it: http://europe.nokia.com/A4142005), but I wonder why so many websites associate it wrongly to the Nseries....

There's a conspiracy afoot! :p

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I blame Steve Ballmer.

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Any word about a better processor? If it isn't better at video decoding I won't buy it.

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Video bandwidth is the issue with the N800, not so much the processor (although it contains hardware video acceleration which is woefully underused). The design of the N800 video interface seems to have been compromised for one reason or another, we can only hope the new device didn't suffer the same fate.

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Perhaps Chinook fixes this issue? I just want to be able to play h264 at 25fps....

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I don't think anyone has answered "what exactly is the point of MOSH" yet. One of the blurbs said you could upload documents for sharing. I wonder if it might finally also be a way to sync contacts and bookmarks. That'd be useful, especially if, since it says it'll work with PC's, that the bookmarks and contacts might also be exportable into other application formats (thunderbird and firefox being the ones I'd care about).

That would make MOSH useful to me. If it's a general data sync service for my IT, and can interoperate with Thunderbird and Firefox on my Mac. Then they'd just need a calendar/to-do that also syncs with it.

I've also almost convinced my girlfriend to buy one ... but she needs a way to import and export with Word on her PC.

So... can anyone tell if MOSH fills in these gaps?

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No, it doesn't do that. It's mainly for sharing content with others.

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What is MOSH? It's one of those silly ideas that mobile phone companies dream up in a vague attempt to encourage you to make better use of their devices.

This particular idea seems to be a blatant exploitation of Web2.0-style concepts.

All that happens is that after an expensive launch, a few teenagers sniff around the new service and it ends up being used for little more than the sharing of porn videos. The mobile phone company Three launched something similar here in the UK, with the idea of "leveraging their community". When I last checked, all there seemed to be was movies of girls getting their boobs out.

Of course, I might be wrong. MOSH could be the biggest thing in the history of the Internet. :rolleyes:

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I think this is a great idea!

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I thought that's what the internet was for?

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Unfortunately, Sprint may be pulling the plug on their WiMax plans. Due to investor pressure, the CEO who was behind their big WiMax push has recently been forced to quit.

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Exactly :-)

(I have the soundtrack for the play that the song actually comes from (avenue Q ... which is actually a muppet type play))

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That would be a downright shame. And downright stupid.

Do you have an article ref on the CEO stepping down? (not challenging you, just want to see the stupidity for myself)

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Nothing of the sort in the system.

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I can corroborate these additions.

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Do you mean you're giving us confirmation that the N810 will have GPS?

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Where are you seeing this price and feature confirmation from? Anything you can show us/post?

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@johnkzin

Here's Engadget's blurb about the Sprint CEO stepping down and its possible effect on the WiMax rollout.

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There was a Finnish website listing the N810 for a short while with price. No technical details though and they took the page down fairly quickly.

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If you want the next version of the IT (not the 2008 WiMax version) to come with GPS and navigation software, you should be satisfied...

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How do you know? (And does it have a slideout keyboard? ;) )

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It is just logical deduction. If you update a device with a newer version without adding any major new functionality, but DO increase the introduction price by a large amount than you will sell less units than you did with the previous model on introduction. (a higher price results in a smaller audience).
Nokia wants to increase the audience for the internet tablets, so that doesn't seem right.
So it is logical to conclude that the higher priced device will have a major new functionality built in. Since the software for navigation is already available as an optional add-on for the current N800, I suspect it will probably be just that (easiest to implement).

But other things are also possible. Nokia could also have added a high quality video / photo camera or a 3G phone/data module or have added a lot of build in storage space (a hard disk or lots of flash memory, and hence adding video and audio playback features)

"Small" changes like a faster processor or TV-out or a slide out keyboard do not add to the usefulness of the device directly, so it is highly questionable if consumers will be willing to pay 100 euros extra for that.

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Well, I would argue adding a slide out keyboard will probably increase the production cost fairly significantly too, similar to adding a GPS chip.

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That could be true, but I don't think the production costs are the main factor in the price. Nokia Internet tablets are expensive when compared to similar hardware from other manufacturers. For example the ipod Touch or the Archos player.
Also the fact that the 770 and N800 decrease in price very strongly after 9-12 months indicates that nokia prices the devices according to their own strategies. There are NO other devices with this combination of features: Open source software and hardware functionality. The IT's are unique, so Nokia can price the devices as they see fit (depending on the audience Nokia wants to target).

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You missed my point.

How do you know that the price is 100 Euro higher? Where are you getting the concrete information that this is true?

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huh. If I could think of any 2 features that I would really want on the next version of the IT, neither of those would have been anywhere near the cut. Probably not even in my top 10.

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I can't say how I know, but soon enough others will find a way to confirm what I have said. ;)

I don't know the situation with the slideout keyboard or the price increase.

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See, it's amazing how different everyone's wants/needs are. GPS + nav app would be in my top 3.

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In no particular order, my top 12:

1) native calendar (can be a cheapie one, people can get Dates or GPE Calendar for the full fledged one), including todo list

2) sync data in some fashion that is compatible with Thunderbird, Sunbird, and Firefox (bookmarks, contacts, events, todo's)

3) 2nd USB port, in host mode, charge via USB on the client port

4) universal "spell check as you type" from a built-in dictionary, that works across all of the native apps (notes, mail, browser, google-talk), and is available as in the API for add-on apps.

5) video out (pref. mini-DVI with DVI-A support so you can use mini-DVI to VGA and mini-DVI to video cables.)

6) support for bluetooth stereo headsets (with and without microphones)

7) slide'n'tilt keyboard (that can be tilted without sliding, to replace the built in stand), retaining the current buttons on the face of the device (not moving them to the keyboard)

8) Bluetooth PAN, and whatever support is necessary to transparently support storage from bluetooth hard drives (Seagate DAVE, Agere BlueOnyx).

9) software and bluetooth support necessary to use the N810 as a handset/controller for a cell phone (display caller-id, dial calls directly, dial calls from contacts list, answer calls, route voice in/out through N810).

10) finish the mini-mozilla browser, and add a mini-mozilla mail client (or, at least an IMAP client that delivers the functionality I keep talking about).

11) transparent to the app (except that it gets told to re-size itself to fit the new aspect ratio) ability to use both portrait and landscape. Doesn't have to detect via accelerometer, it can be button induced.

12) small user facing camera for chatting, camera/video (cell phone quality) camera facing away from the user (on the back of the device).

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Since everyone's making their predictions, here's my equally pointless analysis:

First off, lessons learned:
Tapping into the Open Source ecosystem is one of the major goals for the NIT project. So killing support on the n770 so early was something of a misstep, since the time frame was insufficient for all those projects to emerge. Also, part of sound marketing on a new product release is reassuring those who own the old product of the quality of their purchase. That's basic. So I don't see them killing support for the n800 right away.
That said, something needs to be done about the n800's video speed. Screen tearing on scrolling is a serious problem.
Likewise, if they're going to have a camera on a device, they better support it.

Now, as for what _did_ get developed for the NITs:
so far, the #1 breakout application is MaemoMapper. The really cool part isn't the Navigation feature (that's done better elsewhere), but the ability (as an OSS project) to gain access to extremely high quality maps and photographs (and in the future, internet POI databases), and present them in a device you can have in your pocket. Any number of navigation devices can tell you how to get from point A to B, but how many can deliver high-resolution satellite imagery of your location?

So it's no surprise that Nokia would be developing a tablet with built-in GPS. That's one of the most active areas for open-source development, and provides one of the most unique features.

the other big usage coming up is mobile VoIP. Skype-enabled WiFi phones are a surprisingly growing sector of the market, and a NIT's cost is close enough for people to consider them. Adding slide-out thumbboard? I dunno, if it works, okay.

The final element they should be looking to add is excitement. OSS projects aren't terribly good at this, but even so, many of the most involved OS projects are to make the media players look and work in a useful manner.

As for MOSH, heh. Everyone's looking for the next ITMS, where a hardware company used their market dominance to build an internet service. Good luck on that guys.