KDE v2 Beta testing
 

:D I have given a few people access to KDE v2 beta. I call this beta, because it is not final release, and I am looking to make this a solid release.

1) problem that can not be fixed in this version of KDE is there is no GIF support. scream yell, whatever, its the same as the old version, no GIF support. I looked into fixing this and it will require a recompile of QT, KDELIBS, and KDEBASE.

Maybe 3.5.8 or 4.x will have GIF support but for now, this is all we got. My original scratchbox with KDE was fdisked away by accident. UG!!

Fixed or added from OLD KDE tarball

Printing Support is working great, from KDE you can print PDF, webpages, pictures, and loads of others.

GQView
KVIRC
SMPLAYER
SYLPHEED
VNC (Viewer and Server, viewer supports fullscreen scaling)
XRDP (Connect to VNC on tablet using RDP(remote desktop))
KVKBD .3 (KDE Virtual keyboard)
kblogger plugin for panel (someone will have to let me know if this works or is usefull) Added for all my blogger friends :)
Added script to start hildon, after KDE logout is complete

Fixing or Adding to BETA

KVKBD 4.6 (updated KDE virtual keyboard)

Kopete TTS plugin, allows IM's to be spoken using flite (pretty cool)
(Konqueor also will speak the webpage to you, this is not new)

Abiword 2.2.3 (Its old but you can make docs and print docs with pictures)

GENTUBE, its a small program using kdialog and downloads youtube videos, saves them to a directory and plays them with smplayer) Took a little script modification but it plays them great, I did not know mplayer could handle youtube videos. It won't stream them though, so you have to wait for the download to finsh before watching the video. Also it allows you to specify the name of the video to save it as.
(also /bin/bash 3.2) needed for GENTUBE

So whats this thread for. If you are currently BETA testing KDE v2, please post questions or comments here.

I am still looking for a couple more testers, so PM if your interested in helping out. Hopefully we can put out one solid tarball that will work on 770 and 800...


feel free to put your two cents in

UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO TELL ME YOU DONT NEED/LIKE/WANT KDE, THEN JUST KEEP IT TO YOUR SELF, OR ANOTHER THREAD PLEASE!!:D

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I NEED/LIKE/WANT KDE on my N800!!! :)

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I got an idea, what about you further challenge yourself.... and work on porting KDE 4.0 (Beta 3 just came out i think) to the tablet... :)

I just want to commend you buddy for all your hard work. Great job thus far, and keep up the good work for the future :)

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It worked well, for a moment... Then I must have corrupted the card with something I was doing... ;) *cough* (It wasn't KDE)

I now need to re-clone the OS and everything... again. -__-' But! I liked this one, it felt different... I don't really know, but it just ran smoother (after I gave it a bit of swap on the root of the card) than your V1.

I actually began laughing like a madman when I printed from it ^_^

You need to release this soon, my friend, briliiant work.

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Thanks Aisu, I am really linking it also, I sent you a link to the latest version, try that one if your reinstalling.

But changes still pending


1) Thanks to Todor Gyumyushev who makes kvkbd

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show...?content=56019

Changelog:
0.4.7 - new button to popup the dockmenu, helping users without right click. Store/Restore position of the keyboard on screen.

Other changes may follow...

God I love cool developers!!!!!

2) I have made some scripting to download a 3.5MB tarball containing roughly 15 pictures of missing children from

http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...eCountry=en_US

Not sure where I will host the tarball yet, still playing.

Using the tarball the 4th desktop will change its background every 30 minutes to rotate through the missing children.

People will be able to change the wallpaper and turn it off, and I am thinking updates would be done manually.

I know some people will say why did you include that, but its something I wanted to include, and its only using about 3.5mb of extra space. If one person found one missing kid, because they saw their face on a tablet, it would be worth the 3.5MB

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To be fair to penguin, I don't think anyone's even attempted to compile KDE 4 for ARM yet, so it's quite possible that there would be compilation problems like crazy.

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Well as I stated before (elsewhere) I would take a look at KDE 4 when it came out of BETA. I have enough problems getting stable code to compile ;)

I may look at 3.5.8, but for now, I just want to finish up 356v2 and its really coming along nicely.

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And apart from KDE4 there is QT4 and dozens of backends and libs. On the other hand they said KDE 4 would be lighter than 3. So I think apart from being cool just to have 4.0 it would be more usable too. Would investigate when I have more spare time for free projects.

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Yes and there is plenty of QT4 projects to play with out there, but until KDE 4 is out of beta, I am not going to waste my time.

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This is the log of my first run of KDE (N800; OS2007 with latest kernel, but everything else is from the initial Skype-enabled release):

- Installed (erm... untarred actually) very smoothly
- Started OK... some minor hiccups due to speed, but that is to be expected (can't wait to try KDE on OS2008 :))
- Default theme wastes too much space in the border and title areas, but that is no biggie
- Certain programs (read: AbiWord) are not fully "in theme": the menus of AbiWord appear very hildonized-looking, and the icons and menus are waaay too large -- couldn't find a way of changing this
- Played around a bit, couldn't find any other major problems
- Logged out OK
- Couldn't start "Configure printing" from the Hildon menu

I will not penalize you on the AbiWord problems :) ... but what's up with the printing link not working?

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Its hard to keep track you have kde356-2-final3 ?

Well its beta testing :)

OK lets do this one at a time

1)
Started OK... some minor hiccups due to speed, but that is to be expected (can't wait to try KDE on OS2008 :))

Me too, we are going to be overclocking this thing, the first startup is the slowest because it caches everything for the first time. Also Konqueror is set to preload 3, perhaps I can drop that down to 1???

Here is my reasoning I wait 2 minutes after startup of KDE at worst and I have KDE ready to go. This can switch back to hildon by logging out of KDE, but its not meant to quickly switch back and forth, so I figure a two minutes (just ran 1min 39 seconds)


2)
- Default theme wastes too much space in the border and title areas, but that is no biggie
I depends on what you want to display on the panel, I assume thats what you mean? Or do you mean the Icons are to big?

3)


- Certain programs (read: AbiWord) are not fully "in theme": the menus of AbiWord appear very hildonized-looking, and the icons and menus are waaay too large -- couldn't find a way of changing this

This actually is a straight compile of Abiword 2.2.3 its old but printing works with pictures, which was my main goal. I did not alter anything, the menus dont work unless you are in full screen, did you notice this?? I want to get a good word processor, but this is all I have for now :(


- Played around a bit, couldn't find any other major problems

Did you print anything, if you open Konqueror CUPS is bookmarked to setup printer

- Logged out OK
- Couldn't start "Configure printing" from the Hildon menu

This needs to be removed its a cups default, I will remove it.



Thank you thank you thank you, I want to get feedback. do you think the wallpapers should be removed for faster startup?? I liked them

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1) I really want to overclock my N800 beyond 400 MHz ... but we really do need OS2008 for this :(

2) I meant the title bar and borders of each individual applications... I like small title bars/borders on desktop PCs, let alone on the IT.

3) I noticed the menus not appearing when I wasn't in fullscreen, but didn't think much about it :)

4) No printers here (and no WiFi either), so I will try that tomorrow at work (if I can)

5) When I clicked on "print" on Konqueror (just for the sheer pleasure of clicking "print" on the N800 :D) I got an error saying that it couldn't connect to CUPS. Is this to be expected? I did not set up CUPS in any way.

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cupsd had to be launched first... although I do not think I rebooted since I installed KDE.

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If you are having problems running cups on boot, and you are mounting /usr/local and booting from flash instead of booting from mmc/sd. It may be a problem with the libraries being available on boot.

make sure cups is starting after your mount of /usr/local

I would put in your mount script to run ldconfig right after the mount, and have it start sooner than cups.

Mount script for /usr/local something like this

fsck -y /dev/mmcblk1p2
mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /usr/local
ldconfig


Is there anything I could do to make it easier?

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Aha... I'll package everything in a script. KDE is fun :D If only I could get to those buttons that appear below "screen level"!

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Yeah, just drop it down to preload 1 instance. Otherwise, it's a bit of a waste of memory/swap on a device that's already limited enough. Even on desktops, 1 should be all you ever need.

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I love my 4 desktops, I run full screen apps on diff desktops and just tab between them with the home button. I think the konq could be dropped, but I am thinking two not one. Konqueror is used as the web browser, a file manager, and network file browser. But I guess would consider even one. As for the desktops though, 4 is coming with it.

Convince me I should only do one, I'll consider it

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What do you mean about the buttons, is that an 810 joke, or am I missing something?

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I was referring to the fact that some applications display non-resizable windows with buttons that appear "below" screen level; i.e., that cannot be reached in a screen 480px high.

EDIT: LOL, I just got the N810 "below screen level" reference :)

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use kpager/

utilities/desktop/Desktop Pager

You can drag the window in the pager, grab it and move it up to reach the buttons..

Not optimal, but workable!!:D

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I'll try that later on. In the meantime, I launched KDE and did a soft power-off of my N800 while KDE was starting... and when I went to use it after about 20 mins, everything had started OK... except for Klauncher -- which meant that the system was useless. Weird problem. I'll check for reproducibility.

EDIT: Hahaha I can print!

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Installed it the day before yesterday, haven't had a proper play of it yet but - initial thoughts:

1) Wow :) it's KDE on my lickle IT!
2) Goto 1)
3) Initial splashscreen showing KDE starting occasionally turns black [i.e. not visible] couple of touches on the screen flashes it occasionally.
4) It's pretty slow, here's hoping the N800 can be overclocked through software!
5) It's a pretty huge tar. I had to run tar several times (6 or 7 times) because tar itself kept crashing (read - X-term window disappears without any error shown.) This was the tar with long path support (and -j) from Fannoush's site afaik - have you got a better/more stable tar build?

Opinions:
1) Can you get this up on a repository? Is it difficult to package up the contents in a deb? I'm not sure if the process of untarring the contents replaces system files or not but if not - this may well be an easy thing to do.
2) Can we have a base KDE install with no applications whatsoever?
3) If yes to both above - add applications as separate repository deb files.
4) Wallpapers are lovely - but bulky and the device runs slow enough as it is without them. Again - separate installable deb for themes/papers would be a nice feature.

I can see now exactly why Nokia pushed Hildon onto the ITT. KDE - whilst fabulous - is a little kludgy to use on an ITT (no offence penguinbait.) I love the option of another Windowmanager and it's definitely staying on my device :)


CUPS menu entry under hildon doesn't work (you've acknowledged that.)

Will update more when I use it more!

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Just loaded it again and started playing with screensavers, specifically Phosphor (one of my faves.)

Got a /bin/sh xscreensaver-text: can not locate program.
Sure enough - it references Perl..from a /scratchbox/ directory!
I installed Perl, edited the paths and tried again...
"Can't locate diagnostics.pm in .... "


Gah..damn it :)

What I tend to do is have Phosphor scroll text from syslog, or even irc/pigin in realtime :)

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Hmmm... smplayer crashed and burnt, my N800 switched off and now I logged on to KDE but the desktop is not showing :S

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That is just the power management system on the N800 switching the screen off :)

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The number of preloaded instances of Konqueror doesn't affect the number of desktops you have. If you have save memory when possible enabled (the default), all instances of Konqueror are only ONE process anyways (regardless of how many Konqueror windows are open or what they are doing). If that's enabled, then you have multiple Konquerors doing nothing but taking up memory and never being used.

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Hmmm: Konqueror said it could not start the cookie service... any clues?

EDIT: Leaving KDE running idly on my N800 always leads to a reboot of the system after a few (say, 30) minutes (I believe I have no virtual memory enabled).

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Could you be more specific. #1 reason I have found for system turning off when running KDE, is that the battery goes dead and you dont see its about to happen, I really need to find a battery monitor.

smplayer crashed and burnt? I use xv and gst and give 2mb cache

Please try to be as specific as possible when reporting any problems.

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Yes screen saver is all goofed up, they can be started through kdesktop-lock --nolock

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I have never seen this happen, look for a runaway process, probably sh. Not sure where that is comming from, if anyone has seen it. I think other people than alternate wm users are experiencing this also.

I currently am running this with no swap enabled. The only other software installed other than KDE is (mplayer, flite, ncurses-base, ncurses-bin, rdesktop, openssh, xterm)

Notice no becomeroot, /etc/sudoers file is overwritten to prvide ALL = ALL

Boot to 2GB mmc
I untar my flash image to other partition
untar KDE version 2 X to same partition
If on n800 cp /etc/sources.lst /etc/apt
boot to new partition


Your n800 correct?

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Untaring from PC works a lot lot faster!

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using flite you can read/speak webpages, and have it speak messages in kopete as they come in

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Sorry for not being more specific, but these are the events that I know happened:

- KDE was running almost OK (no desktop background or icons) and I started smplayer, tried watching a movie... when it hung up completely. I only noticed this after a few minutes (was busy) and to be honest don't remember whether I rebooted manually or whether the tablet rebooted itself
- Started KDE again, no problems this time round
- Tried logging onto Gmail using Konqueror, it told me it couldn't because cookies were not enabled
- Tried to enable cookies, but as soon as I clicked the "cookies" tab in the settings I got an error telling me that the cookie service cannot be found
- Left the tablet in my bag
- After a few minutes, I heard the Nokia sound

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try running fsck, something sounds funny.

I just started konq, went to bookmarks, open google.com

prompted to accept cookies for domain

clicked on gmail link

logged into gmail, worked no problem



did you get prompet to accept cookies and click reject? Its all working for me, sounds like it might be some fs corruption, try running fsck?




I have noticed some problems with smplayer, if you try flipping fullscreen and back more than once fast, it seemed to hang.

What are your settings for smplayer, I am using xv for video and gst for audio.

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There have been several downloads of KDE v2 beta in various forms

KDE356-2-FINAL1.tar.bz2
KDE356-2-FINAL2.tar.bz2
KDE356-2-FINAL3.tar.bz2
KDE356-2-FINAL4.tar.bz2
KDE356-2-FINAL5.tar.bz2
KDE356-2-FINAL6.tar.bz2


These have all been removed. I do not think there will be anymore changes, unless we find a problem. I want to have this tested, and not release full to everyone until after 2008OS is out. My reasoning is, if there is anything I need to fix so it will run on 2008 I can make one version. I suppose I could make a 2008 version if there is a change, but I want to get some final opinions if anyone wants to test, and please provide your experiences.

I ask you to please not release my beta versions if you have any copies of the tarballs, please delete them and send me a PM for a link to the final version 283MB, I need some testers for final version If you have it installed and do not want to reinstall I understand.

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Greetings Dr Falken

Do you want to play a game? :D



There've been no restarts of KDE beta 3 (whilst idle and whilst playing with system preferences stuff) so far and its been up for hours here. I did manage to crash JuK (I have hundreds of mp3s here I added to a playlist) - it was an elegant crash no sys restarts. Haven't played any movies or tickled smplayer.



I've been trying to login to RDP - using the Windows XP RDP client and the "user" account (custom password, 16bpp, 800x600) I can get to a "Login to xrdp" window allowing me to select: VNC, sesman-Xvnc, console, sesman-any, rdp-any, sesman-X11rdp. I admit - I've never used xrdp so I have no idea of any of the options - but trying out any of the selections gets me nowhere.


PM'ed you re final version :)

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I will send you a link shortly,

The xrdp client basically allows you to connect to VNC on the tablet, just entering the password rootme for the initial screen should log you in, its basically vnc over rdp. This saves you from needing a vnc client on your desktop, you can just use the "Remote Desktop Connection" for win for rdesktop. you can also just use vnc.

Notice you can put in other IP address and connect to any vncserver on the network also.

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Ahh that explains it then :)

The beta I installed was KDE356-2-FINAL3.tar.bz2 - if you have a removal script I'll be sure to obliterate it and install the latest tar.

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abracadabra alakazam presto http://www.ennex.com/~POOFF/image/poof.gif

Its just a shell script but Its like 2.3mb, 200k gziped I could have made it smaller but I am lazy.

put the shell script in /
go to /

cd /
./KDE356-2-FINAL3-rm.sh