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zerojay 2007-10-18 19:14

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Originally Posted by miemsl (Post 83941)
Ok, still one. Is there composite video out on the device?

Why not?

No. Doesn't make much sense and probably would add further cost for something most wouldn't use.

Mara 2007-10-18 19:18

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Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 83905)
re maps, the maps come in full (us & canada or uk) depending on where you purchase the N810. it will be available too on the next firmware update for the N800 for free. The N810 even comes with a car mount in the box.

what's not free though is voice directions. it will be like $100+ to activate it.

Hmmm... I think the whole routing part (not only voice prompts) is premium service... without activating (paying for license) all you can do is to browse maps.

(That's the reason I gave Gnuite a "please continue" to keep working on MaemoMapper few weeks ago... ;) )

phi 2007-10-18 19:20

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 83722)

- I'm not a gadget guy (and look where I am now) so I can't compare really to other keyboards in mobile devices.

- Yes, with the keyboard in scrolling pages is sometimes a bit tricky, specially when the page is full of links. This can be solved in the software side, Hildon and the browser have some challenges ahead.

You might not be a gadget guy, but I seriously suggest you pick up an ipod touch or iphone and see how you can easily scroll with your finger, even with a screen full of links. It can be done, and done elegantly. Hopefully you guys over in Nokia do it right.

miemsl 2007-10-18 19:21

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Think Nokia just bought some tourist maps with hefty price, so would expect them to try get some revenue with them :)

sjgadsby 2007-10-18 19:24

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Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 83905)
it will be available too on the next firmware update for the N800 for free.

That's wonderful news! Nokia, would you please make CR-86 available for sale outside of the navkit now? I have money. You like money, yes? I will give you money.

Mika73 2007-10-18 20:32

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Any more information of OS2008 ?

Whats difference to OS2007 and screen shots? :)

qgil 2007-10-18 21:04

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@phi: by not being a gadget guy I mean that I haven't been playing with all the mobile devices with hardware qwerty kb out there, like the people who design such things at Nokia do. I do play with the iPhone / iPod Touch and of course the people in charge of designing the tablet Ui have plaid even more.

I have no hardware / UI design responsibilities and this is why I can be so explicitly dumb about this. My only point in the previous post was that scrolling efficiently web pages shouldn't rely ultimately on hardware keys (i.e. dpad) but on the touchscreen interface itself. The Hildon project is working on these issues, but the Hildon 2 that comes with Chinook/OS2008 hasn't got all the improvements yet.

YoDude 2007-10-18 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 83905)
re maps, the maps come in full (us & canada or uk) depending on where you purchase the N810. it will be available too on the next firmware update for the N800 for free. The N810 even comes with a car mount in the box.

what's not free though is voice directions. it will be like $100+ to activate it.

Thanks for your input Reg... http://www.clicksmilies.com/auswahl/ernaehrung004.gif

... so I guess those of us who already paid $129 for Navicore are stuck with a limited distribution that hasn't had (and pro'ly wont have) any upgrades or sorely needed improvements.

The implication at the N800's intro was that Navicore was the direction Nokia was going with map software. All the press kits had screen shots showing a Navicore product....

Were we led down a dead end street?

RobbH 2007-10-19 02:05

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What I want to know is the same old question. I know, it's an internet tablet. It's not a PDA. But will it provide enough minimal PDA functions, like audibly reminding me of my appointments, that it can be the only device I have to carry?

Better yet, could it turn out to live up to its potential as a general purpose, pocketable computer? That's what I'm really looking for: something that's not just cool, but actually usable. And useful.

iball 2007-10-19 02:44

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Hmmm....me not likey the single tiny mini-SD slot.
I rather enjoy having several different WMs/firmwares all ready to go into the internal slot on separate SDHC cards.
Oh I'm sure it will be just a matter of time before someone hacks the default firmware to boot from that external mini-SD but the current capacity of mini-SD is, what? 4GB now? Why is Nokia going from a 16+ GB storage capacity system to only 4GB? Boy, that GPS chip and keyboard must really eat up space...not. I guess they sacrificed dual SDHC slots to trim off that 1 CM they made up in total size.
Shame. N800 is for hardcore hackers, N810 is for....everyone else? Too bad no one else really buys Nokia's Internet Tablets and really uses them on a daily basis except for the hackers out there.
My N95 with 4GB micro-SD and built-in aGPS works just fine.
I guess the N810 is being used internally inside Nokia to justify their recent purchase of a big GPS navigation company.
I'll hold off for the Wi-Max-enabled N900.

Mark S 2007-10-19 03:33

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[QUOTE=

Though with the keyboard you can run citrix and rdesktop more easily.[/QUOTE]

Citrix!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you run Citrix on the N800??????

TA-t3 2007-10-19 10:14

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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 83936)
For instance, certain rarely - but occasionally - used special characters are available by pressing the Chr button from the keyboard and selecting them from the area on-screen, at the bottom of the view. [..]

That actually sounds like a very good feature. I've never seen anything like that and thus obviously not tried it, but it _sounds_ like something that could be of great help.

aflegg 2007-10-19 11:58

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Originally Posted by Mark S (Post 84128)
Citrix!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you run Citrix on the N800??????

Short version: You don't.

Long version: You use rdesktop or VNC to another box running a Citrix client.

Best version: You lobby Citrix to release an IT OS 2008 ICA client.

YoDude 2007-10-19 13:06

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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 83994)
Thanks for your input Reg... http://www.clicksmilies.com/auswahl/ernaehrung004.gif

... so I guess those of us who already paid $129 for Navicore are stuck with a limited distribution that hasn't had (and pro'ly wont have) any upgrades or sorely needed improvements.

The implication at the N800's intro was that Navicore was the direction Nokia was going with map software. All the press kits had screen shots showing a Navicore product....

Were we led down a dead end street?

Woo Hoo!

I found this on Wayfarers site and answered my own question...

Quote:

I have previously bought a Navigation Kit for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, including Navicore Personal 2007 software. Now I updated Internet Tablet OS 2008 on my N800 Internet Tablet and Navicore Personal 2007 does not work any more. How can I use navigation?
Internet Tablet OS 2008 includes an integrated Map application. You can use your old Navicore Personal 2007 license key to activate navigation features of the map application. After entering your license key, the activated Wayfinder Navigator application provides equivalent navigation features compared Navicore Personal 2007.

>> http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365

Via >> http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470

zerojay 2007-10-19 13:13

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Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 84233)
Short version: You don't.

Long version: You use rdesktop or VNC to another box running a Citrix client.

Best version: You lobby Citrix to release an IT OS 2008 ICA client.

Best version: You lobby Nokia to pay Citrix to release an IT OS 2008 ICA client, while attempting to convince them that there's more than 5 people that would be interested in using it.

miemsl 2007-10-19 16:17

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Is there WidSets client available for IT?

Any rumours?

miemsl 2007-10-19 16:20

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Reggie, did you already meet with Nokia product managers?

sachin007 2007-10-19 16:20

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Can some one tell me if it supports a2dp streaming out of the box??

miemsl 2007-10-19 16:43

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How does IT N810 compare on green electronics front, there was some embarrassing news on the Apple produce recently, is Nokia any better?

sachin007 2007-10-19 16:47

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Originally Posted by miemsl (Post 84385)
How does IT N810 compare on green electronics front, there was some embarrassing news on the Apple produce recently, is Nokia any better?

Check this link....
http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...nking-5-190907

And there has been a discussion regarding that...

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...son+love+nokia

sachin007 2007-10-19 16:49

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Can we use the bigger bp 6l in the n800? ANd lack of gps should give us more juice compared to the n810... right??

Mark S 2007-10-20 00:19

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Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 84279)
Best version: You lobby Nokia to pay Citrix to release an IT OS 2008 ICA client, while attempting to convince them that there's more than 5 people that would be interested in using it.

I am glad there is someone else here that agrees with me on Citrix!!!

Nokia - please pay Citrix to get this done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jhoff80 2007-10-20 00:40

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What GPS chipset does the N810 use? Does it allow for assisted GPS when in range of the internet, for quicker satellite fix?

Does it still have the FM chip, because I've heard it doesn't.

biggatings 2007-10-20 00:48

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Anyone know what wi-fi chipset is in the 810? would it be the same one for the 800? If not, anyone know if the offical driver will be made public this time around?

Also, has anyone seen images of the 810's internals yet? I remeber the 800 was out not too long after it was released, even though the 810 hasn't offically been released, I figured someone would have cracked the demo ones open!:rolleyes:


Thanks

PS Like the new look... can't wait to get one...

zerojay 2007-10-20 01:16

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Originally Posted by Mark S (Post 84588)
I am glad there is someone else here that agrees with me on Citrix!!!

Nokia - please pay Citrix to get this done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Um, I don't agree with you on Citrix, but I just wanted to tell you how to make it happen. You're going to need a *lot* of people asking for it though, and I just don't see that happening.

kooda 2007-10-20 01:44

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What is the version of MicroB browser on N810?

(On N800, it is 0.0.8-3 and can be found in Application manager-->Show Installed Applications)

fldude99 2007-10-20 02:23

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Originally Posted by jhoff80 (Post 84597)
What GPS chipset does the N810 use? Does it allow for assisted GPS when in range of the internet, for quicker satellite fix?

Does it still have the FM chip, because I've heard it doesn't.

RE: From what I understand, AGPS relies on cell tower communication not wifi..so since the N810 is not a phone..it will not allow for AGPS

jhoff80 2007-10-20 02:48

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Originally Posted by fldude99 (Post 84621)
RE: From what I understand, AGPS relies on cell tower communication not wifi..so since the N810 is not a phone..it will not allow for AGPS

Not quite what I meant by assisted GPS though there are two different technologies that I've heard referred to in this manner. One is that which you mentioned, but its also possible for quite a few GPS units to download the ephemeris data from the internet, in order to speed up the satellite fix. IE, it'd make it akin to a hot start every time you connect, giving a fix in the order of a few seconds, rather than the 30-60 seconds it generally takes for a cold start. Also, this would help because the satellite data that you download means that you wouldn't have to have great signal in order to get that fix, if you've got a weaker signal it will still be able to lock on. (The ephemeris data downloading via satellite requires you to have I believe 5 satellites available, and after its downloaded I think you can work with 3, or something along those lines.)

gnuite 2007-10-20 03:52

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Here's a question (hope it hasn't been answered yet): will Nokia offer a developer discount program like they did for the N800? That's probably the only way I'll get one, and I'd like to assure that Maemo Mapper works on the N810, even if it's made obsolete by built-in mapping applications....

penguinbait 2007-10-20 04:39

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Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 84643)
Here's a question (hope it hasn't been answered yet): will Nokia offer a developer discount program like they did for the N800? That's probably the only way I'll get one, and I'd like to assure that Maemo Mapper works on the N810, even if it's made obsolete by built-in mapping applications....

My understanding is there is no built in mapping application. It was an additional purchase. Perhaps I read incorrectly somewhere, but this confused me, why put the hardware in if your not providing the software.

Good luck on the free one, I doubt they would provide one to a rogue like myself :cool: (Let be clear though, I am not a developer, I am a hack!, I am not worthy to be in the same category :D )

Moonshine 2007-10-20 06:06

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Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 84643)
Here's a question (hope it hasn't been answered yet): will Nokia offer a developer discount program like they did for the N800? That's probably the only way I'll get one, and I'd like to assure that Maemo Mapper works on the N810, even if it's made obsolete by built-in mapping applications....

You, sir, should be a sure thing. Almost makes me feel guilty for applying. Almost. :D

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/...192708879.html

GeneralAntilles 2007-10-20 06:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 84643)
Here's a question (hope it hasn't been answered yet): will Nokia offer a developer discount program like they did for the N800? That's probably the only way I'll get one, and I'd like to assure that Maemo Mapper works on the N810, even if it's made obsolete by built-in mapping applications....

Hardly, Maemo Mapper still has satellite imagery (a feature not found anywhere else) and free voice navigation.

murphy 2007-10-20 08:45

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 84685)
Hardly, Maemo Mapper still has satellite imagery (a feature not found anywhere else) and free voice navigation.

Maemo Mapper is a very great software but its use of Google Maps and navigation directions is not very official/legal :
"The imagery is copyrighted and may not be copied, even if modified or merged with other data or software."

This is why I actively support OpenStreetMap a least for having mapping data ; I've not the material to contribute to OpenAerialMap !

luca 2007-10-20 10:00

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@gnuite, they should give you a free unit, not a discounted one.
Maybe the included maps could be used by maemo mapper (thouh I doubt that'll be the case).

bergie 2007-10-20 13:02

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Originally Posted by murphy (Post 84698)
Maemo Mapper is a very great software but its use of Google Maps and navigation directions is not very official/legal :
"The imagery is copyrighted and may not be copied, even if modified or merged with other data or software."

That is exactly why Maemo Mapper uses OpenStreetMap as the default map provider. Users can enter other map sources, but that is of course up to them.

Where I live, OSM is actually more detailed than Google Maps, so little reason to switch ;)

Mara 2007-10-20 13:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 84643)
Here's a question (hope it hasn't been answered yet): will Nokia offer a developer discount program like they did for the N800? That's probably the only way I'll get one, and I'd like to assure that Maemo Mapper works on the N810, even if it's made obsolete by built-in mapping applications....

Maybe you missed my post few weeks back where I gave "go ahead" signal to keep developing MaemoMapper... The maps application with routing features will not be free, thus there is room for free MaemoMapper sofware... ;)

Mark S 2007-10-20 14:11

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My question about the 810 is will I be able to stream Sirius over wifi using the browser. The problem on the 800 seems to be that there is nothing on the 800 that can feed the stream to a media player. I get all the way to the end but nothing plays because the player is not accessed with the feed.

lardman 2007-10-20 18:03

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Could someone with either an N810 or the N800 with the new (2008) flash image post the following please? This assumes you have a working terminal - from the Nokia website it looked as though this comes installed.

I'm a bit surprised no-one's posted this information yet - is there some problem (legal? or is no-one able to get a terminal/ssh session working?).

Out put of dmesg as soon as possible after boot (i.e. as soon as the desktop comes up)
e.g. "dmesg > dmesg.txt"

Contents of /sys filesystem
e.g. "find /sys/ > sys_contents.txt

List of kernel modules
e.g. "find /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/ > kernel_module_list.txt"

List of DSP modules
e.g. "find /lib/dsp/modules/ > dsp_module_list.txt"

Thanks,


Simon

Mara 2007-10-20 18:38

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Originally Posted by lardman (Post 84823)
Could someone with either an N810 or the N800 with the new (2008) flash image post the following please? This assumes you have a working terminal - from the Nokia website it looked as though this comes installed.

I'm a bit surprised no-one's posted this information yet - is there some problem (legal? or is no-one able to get a terminal/ssh session working?).

Out put of dmesg as soon as possible after boot (i.e. as soon as the desktop comes up)
e.g. "dmesg > dmesg.txt"

Contents of /sys filesystem
e.g. "find /sys/ > sys_contents.txt

List of kernel modules
e.g. "find /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/ > kernel_module_list.txt"

List of DSP modules
e.g. "find /lib/dsp/modules/ > dsp_module_list.txt"

Thanks,


Simon

Here you go... the "sys_contents" operation failed due to too big file size or something?

EDIT: These are on N800 having OS2008.

thoughtfix 2007-10-20 18:44

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Damn Mara. Beat me to the punch ;)


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