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RobMtl007 2007-10-17 18:28

Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Greetings:


From all the hype about the new N810 I was wondering if the new OS 2008

is available for download?

Regards Robert

rcadden 2007-10-17 18:35

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
I've been trying to get an answer to that myself. It WILL be available for the N800, but no one will say when.

zeez 2007-10-17 18:38

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Texrat said the n810 will be out mid November. So i very much doubt that we'll see an update for the N800 before that...

luca 2007-10-17 19:44

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
The announce on maemo says that the new os will be available for download when the n810 starts selling.

anidel 2007-10-17 19:47

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Exactly, from here: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/...192637131.html

We can quote:

Quote:

The Nokia N810 will be in the shops on mid November. As soon as sales start, N800 users will be able to upgrade to the OS2008 as well.
Can't wait!

Mara 2007-10-17 20:06

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 83329)
Exactly, from here: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/...192637131.html

We can quote:



Can't wait!

Hmmm... that's a lot better what is/was my understanding... I hope they are correct... :)

rcadden 2007-10-17 20:13

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Aha, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen the news over there, just the press release.

belder 2007-10-17 20:24

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I like that both will use the same OS.
Quote:

Both devices run exactly the same operating system: packages tested and working in a Nokia N800 with OS 2008 should work just as well in a N810.

Dman 2007-10-17 21:34

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Does anyone know what new features the new os will add?

maxinflixion 2007-10-17 22:45

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
This is great news. Having just taken advantage of the n800 price drop, I was a bit worried about being left behind.

Very interested to see a breakdown of improvements/differences between 2007 and 2008.

alvindd 2007-10-18 04:45

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I just want to be able to stream SIRIUS from my account.

scrappy898 2007-10-18 04:46

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IT MAY BE SOONER>>OR else this doesn't make sense

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...3526#post83526

zerojay 2007-10-18 05:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alvindd (Post 83550)
I just want to be able to stream SIRIUS from my account.

That's not going to happen.

Mark S 2007-10-19 01:28

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 83557)
That's not going to happen.


Why not? I can log into my account now using the mozilla browser. The problem is that the device does not play the stream. Maybe this new software will stream windows media files? Do know for sure that this will not work.

belder 2007-10-19 02:20

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Is OS2008 going to be free for N800 owners? Why would they include the navigation software in the OS if you'd have to have the bluetooth device to make it work?

iball 2007-10-19 02:52

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I'm sure that much like Skype was, the navigation software will be an extra download or left out altogether.
I hope so, I don't need/want it.
Right now I just want to see the frickin' CHANGELOG for OS2008.
Any of you Nokia monkeys out there (and we know you're reading this) want to chime in on that? ANd I don't mean general crap (speed increase, brighter screen, etc.) I want to see EXACTLY what OS2007 bugs you've managed to quash, if any at all.
I know RTcomm (Sofia) still refuses to work over VPN (vpnc GUI) and that's my main gripe right now. It would be nice to work from home and use my N800 as my "work phone" tied in over VPN to my company's Asterisk server instead of going with a software SIPphone. It would also be nice to punch into my Dad's Asterisk server via VPN and call him - for free - just by dialing his extension.
So if that hasn't been fixed or at least workaround/patch available then there's really no need for some of us to upgrade at all.

DoS 2007-10-19 04:03

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I want native PPTP VPN support, that's all I need. The only internet devices so far that do this is iPhone and N800 with some kernel hacks. I don't want kernel hacks, so please tell me this is supported in OS2008, please, anyone!?

Milhouse 2007-10-19 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by belder (Post 84098)
Is OS2008 going to be free for N800 owners? Why would they include the navigation software in the OS if you'd have to have the bluetooth device to make it work?

Yes OS 2008 will be free to N800 owners, but who said the Navigation Software will be part of the firmware?

Assuming the Nav software is made available to N800 owners - which is by no means certain - I would expect it to be offered in the same way as Skype, ie. as a seperate download and not part of the OS 2008 firmware. That way if you don't want the nav software you simply don't install it!

belder 2007-10-19 11:39

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Sorry about my poor response. I think I misunderstood this thread.
Quote:

I went to http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5356 and they have this
..."HOW TO BUY! Upgrade to Wayfinder Navigator through the Map application on your Nokia N810. You can also buy an upgrade through this website from October 26th 2007"...
and
Quote:

Is the wayfinder apps/maps going to be an additional expense? Will the speaker be louder than the N800? It's woefully inadequate for gps use in a car. Is the screen brighter and less reflective? The N800 is almost useless during the day outdoors and completely useless in the car during the day.
It was an upgrade to the Maps package and not the OS. Apologies from here.

zerojay 2007-10-19 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark S (Post 84078)
Why not? I can log into my account now using the mozilla browser. The problem is that the device does not play the stream. Maybe this new software will stream windows media files? Do know for sure that this will not work.

I assumed Sirius used some proprietary software. The new IT2008 is supposed to be able to handle WMA... if it will work on the Sirius site... no one knows. Lobby to get the IT team a free account from Sirius and maybe someone might check into it.

katkat 2007-10-19 13:35

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I am totally bummed. I have not had my N800 but a few months and now they come out with the 810 which has a keyboard on board. I would love the keyboard but at the price I paid for the 800 I don't see being able to upgrade. What a let down. Sigh! Although it is great for those who have not bought yet.

Why can't they build that keyboard (not big or expensive like the one they have now)as a accessory for the rest of us???? And at a price we could justify. I doubt that is going to happen.

phi 2007-10-19 14:21

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wonder if there will be a "hacker edition" for OS2008. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

Milhouse 2007-10-19 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phi (Post 84302)
wonder if there will be a "hacker edition" for OS2008. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

OS 2008 HE for 770? Yes, I believe that is the plan.

dont 2007-10-19 14:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 84304)
OS 2008 HE for 770? Yes, I believe that is the plan.

Oh, please say this is so.

Has anyone from Nokia confirmed this?

I think that this is really critical for N770 owners as it seems to me that OS2007/N800 will vanish quickly once OS2008/N800 comes out and developers get their apps ported over. OS2008 is a pretty compelling free upgrade for N800 owners. I can't see any reason for devs to keep OS2007 versions up to date once OS2008/N800 gains critical mass.

So, here we are waiting for OS2007HE to pull us out of the dead-end that is OS2006 only to find that OS2007 is effectively dead-ended before the release of OS2007HE :(

Frankly, I think it is a waste of time for the Nokia dev who is working on OS2007HE to continue, I would vote to re-assign to OS2008HE even if that delays getting a stable release out even longer.

Don.

Milhouse 2007-10-20 11:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dont (Post 84319)
Oh, please say this is so.

Has anyone from Nokia confirmed this?

See comments #10 and #11. Also, see the most recent OS 2007 HE release announcement where it states...

Quote:

What's next

We are continuing the work on the Hacker Edition with the following goals:
  • Update to maemo 4.0 Chinook
  • Mozilla based engine
  • Further bug fixes

Chinook == OS 2008.

fpp 2007-10-20 13:14

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
So, three (or two-and-a-half :-) hardware platforms spanning three years, and now running the same level of OS/WM/API... this is finally starting to look like something of an ecosystem.

Although everyone, individually, may not agree with all technical choices or compromises made on any of the three models, on the whole it is clear that Nokia has learnt fast from its 770 experiment, as it said it would, and is now delivering.

This guinea pig feels just a little bit better about it :-)

dont 2007-10-20 15:41

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 84719)
See comments #10 and #11. Also, see the most recent OS 2007 HE release announcement where it states...



Chinook == OS 2008.

Milhouse: Thanks very much for this and for the translation services :-)

And just to confirm my supposition:

Once OS2008 HE is available then, within the limitations of the hardware platform, does that mean that developing for the Nokia IT mean that a single set of sources and one repository can be used for all three versions of the platform?

I have been considering doing some development over the next few months but I was put off by the thought that I would have to buy another tablet and maintain multiple streams of code. Ubuntu Mobile and/or OLPC/Sugar looks (looked?) a lot more attractive compared to the dog's breakfast of platforms that Nokia seemed to be heading for.

And Nokia: A big anticipatory Thank You for when this happens. I feel a whole lot better now.

Don.

basco 2007-10-20 15:49

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My biggest problem with all this is there are not that many apps and now with the new os, now updating all the 07 apps will have to take place. I can tell right now that I won't be upgrading soon. I am not really complaining since my apps are free.

EnvyGeeks 2007-10-26 23:23

Re: Is the New OS 2008 available
 
I personally don't assume there is going to be much of a transition barrier between the two (OS2007 and OS2008) since OS2008 will be on the N800 and majority of the programmers will probably still have their N800s and update. Where as with the 770 to N800 (OS2007) you had to wait for them to save up for an N800 before they even cared.


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