Nokia n810 GPS/Maps
 

Anyone know any information on the the maps application and what featres can be used and which require a subcription. For example if I wanted voice directions, would I need a consant internet connection or just enough to buy a subscription.

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As far as I know: The application and map data are free download. You can browse the maps in the device without subscription/activation. The routing part (entering addresses, asking to create route, and voice prompts) are premium service that you need to purchase a license.

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This is correct in my understanding as well.

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Thoughtfix hosted a impromptu live show of the n810 yesterday and we showed the routing process..and it didn;t require any extra suscription. oNLY VOICE AND EXTRA WAYPOINTS, AS WELL AS LIVE TRAFFIC REPORTS.

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You get few days free trial... ;)

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From the above page:

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Wayfinder Navigator Nokia N810 Edition
What's Map on my Nokia N810?
Nokia N810 Internet Tablet includes a pre-installed free map application by Wayfinder. Map application in Internet Tablet enables you to browse detailed street maps, position yourself on the map and see the direction and distance to any chosen location. You can search for locations, like addresses, WiFi hot-spots and points of interests (POI).

Depending on region, there are local maps pre-installed in every Internet Tablet device. You can download additional maps free of charge directly to your Internet Tablet device over a WiFi connection.

Navigation
Wayfinder Navigator provides premium navigation features as an upgrade to the pre-installed map application on the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet.

Wayfinder Navigator features voice guided turn-by-turn navigation in 15 languages. It takes advantage of the maps stored on the Internet Tablet device and fast and reliable route calculation gives you right directions to your destination. You can choose between car, pedestrian & bicycle routing modes and do route planning also without a GPS signal coverage. Where available, Wayfinder Navigator provides useful additional on-line services, like real time traffic information and safety camera data-base updates.

Purchase Wayfinder Navigator
Wayfinder Navigator is a premium service available for purchase. As a Nokia N810 Internet Tablet user you can try Wayfinder Navigator for 7 days free of charge. You can purchase the navigation feature online with a credit card directly from the Map application on the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet device.

You can also make the purchase using your PC and get a Wayfinder Navigator license on Wayfinder Online shop from October 27th 2007.

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I'd like to see a review of this, I was initially quite excited to hear about the navigation but on reading the wayfinder website I couldn't work out how it works. I understand that you can pre-load the maps but it seems to suggest that the routing function is performed not on the device, but on the wayfinder servers. Additionally, they do advise in their FAQ that the software will use upto 60Kb of data per hour of driving...

With GPRS roaming in Europe at something like $14 per megabyte that could make for an expensive trip!

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After doing a little research it seems Wayfinder acquired Navicore back in July of this year...

>> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...01&newsLang=en

... so previously posted reviews of Navicore on the N800 may give you what you are looking for.

>> http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer...n810_announce/

I use Navicore on my N800 and am relieved to hear this. It means my previous purchased license can be applied to the new OS and it will unlock all features. BTW, all these features are stored on the device and do not require a net connection.



It also means that my recent efforts to convert useful (for me :) ) POI's to the Navicore format will not have been waisted.

>> http://my.opera.com/yodude/blog/

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It's that last link that worries me though...

My emphasis.

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Those are the "Download terms"...

Maps for other regions are available through the Wayfinder Mobile store link provided you have net access. That net access if through a carriers wireless network may invoke access charges.

I don't have the new OS so I guess it's best if someone with it uses the "7 day trial" to give you the absolute answer you require.

What I do know is that Navicore running on OS2007 DOES NOT require net access for its navigation features.
The device only requires this access if I want to download maps for a country/region other than the entire USA and Canada. Those maps are pre-loaded on my device. The new maps can be pre-loaded as well using my home PC to download and transfer them elliminating any need for the device to connect to the net.

Traffic updates would be another matter but traffic information is not yet available in the US anyway.

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I am shocked to read that after you purchase a N810, you have to pay for GPS service! Pay for what? You should already have the maps. There is no charge to use the satellites, you already payed for them with your taxes. If you buy a portable GPS for your car, there are no additional charges. I can't believe this. Now I'm happy to just keep my N800 and use my portable GPS unit when I need it.

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I do not believe that you have to pay for any service to use the GPS, but I belive there is an additional fee for the application (MAPS). So I would assume maemo mapper will be available at some point, when they can convince gnuite to move up.

I agree wholeheartedly why give me hardware without software, especially for the price. Don't get me wrong, $479 is a good deal, if you have not already purchased an external GPS and keyboard and an 8GB SHDC SD card.

But if you have, the upgrade is much less desirable.

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Archos pulls this same stuff.

The device has the mapping software loaded on. You get a free trial of the 'navigation features/POI', then they want you to give them another $130 to them to unlock it. Absolutely absurd.

If I am paying $200+ dollars more for basically the same unit, that is the cost of a full GPS kit from Navicore. Dont pull that crap about sliding keyboards, etc, because Nokia has saved the R&D cost by basically recycling most of the old unit (same processor, memory, screen, nearly same OS).

Nokia, if you are going to charge $480 for this thing, the GPS software NEEDS TO BE 100% FREE/INCLUDED. Otherwise charge $350 for it, and then the extra $130 you need wont be such a slap in the pants.


Here is an example:

1. Buy N810 with Wayfinder GPS kit. $480 + $130 = $610 not including taxes

2. Buy a N800, and a Tom Tom Go 720. $230 + $400 = $630 no tax (ebay/buy.com)

3. Buy N800 + Navkit. $230 + $200 = $430.


I dont see how in gods name the N810 can justify that ammount. I chose the Tom Tom 720 because its amazing. 4.3" screen, bluetooth, uses cell data for traffic/construction updates, hands free for the cell phone. Nice piece of kit!

N810 needs to cost $350 if the full map software is $130.

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Does anyone know if the Maps (w/ or w/out navigation) will work on a N800 running OS2008 with an external GPS?

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It should. However, I have not been able to pair my i-Blue GPS receiver with OS2008: It forces to enter passcode, and i-Blue does not support this feature... :(

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are you sure it doesn't have a standard code (like 0000 or 1234)?

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luca: Thanks a lot about your hint... :)

Indeed it does use 0000... was too lazy to look up the manual earlier... :o

It is working now. Need to go for a test drive... :D

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Color me confused. If I don't pony up the $130 what good is the internal N810 GPS? Wouldn't Google Maps serve me just as well? Is this a one-time price or a subscription racket? Is there an open-source alternative?

I've never used a GPS unit.

Jeff

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From what I understand: MaemoMapper is an open-source app which will work with Google Maps using the internal GPS, but then you have to pre-download the maps beforehand (and this might be slightly in a gray area legally). It also will work with Virtual Earth maps, and the open source map site that I saw a link to earlier but can't remember the name.

The Google Maps website does not have GPS support, so it won't know where you are ever, and therefore isn't as good.

The built-in program on the n810 is free to use. It includes maps, and will show you your position and surrounding points of interest, probably including the roads, gas stations, hotels, stores, etc if its anything like the TomTom software I have. (Hopefully we'll also be able to add our own POI as well.)

What is NOT free on the built-in program is any navigation, voice prompts or not. That will cost $130 for a 3 year subscription, which when you consider that Telenav (a phone navigation program) is $10 a month, is pretty damn reasonable.

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I cannot reach www.wayfinder.com right now, but the google cache says it's a 36 months license.
The open-source alternative is maemomapper: it doesn't do the routing itself but it downloads it from the internet, as well as the maps. You can preload your route and the corresponding maps before the trip, but if you want to go somewhere else and don't have an internet connection available you cannot calculate a new route/get new map data.

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Jeff,

The OS2008 will come with map software. This will do everything EXCEPT turn by turn directions and auto-routing. These will be a premium purchase through WayFinder.

In addition, there's Maemo Mapper, an open source application. Maemo Mapper will provide an almost identical feature set as the stock (non premium) map application included in OS2008. Maemo Mapper also supports routing, but will require an internet connect to recalculate routes on the fly.

So - in summary - the only caveat here is *turn by turn navigation and routing (w/o internet connection)*. If you want these services, you must purchase them through WayFinder.

If you want a Google Maps-like application for FREE. You will have at least two options. (For both the N810 and the N800 w/ external GPS)

I hope that clarifies it.

Mara,

I take it you have a copy of OS2008 - how is the mapping application?

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Somebody should convince Google to port their Windows Mobile frontend for Google Maps to the Nokia Tablets. This application is free of charge, can find routes and supports GPS (too bad my smartphone cannot pair with my Nokia GPS mouse...). But it won't give you spoken directions.

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I, too, have the Google Maps Smartphone application and I suggest that you just use Maemo Mapper - it's damn near identical.

Especially when you use GMaps as the repository....

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Thanks for the feedback. The $43/year subscription really gives me pause. Looking at Amazon I see quite a range of GPS units that seem to be a one-time fee and offer voice/navigation features. Not being a GPS maven I have no idea how good they are, but both the sub-$200 Garmin and Tom-Tom units have good user reviews.

This is very disappointing. A one-time fee to fully utilize the GPS was bad enough, but a subscription service...oh my.

Jeff

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0000 is the code

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Number 2 and 3 are not apples to apples when compared to number 1. You are using discounted n800 prices, not original pricing. If there was no n810, the n800 would cost more than 230$. Compare n800 original selling price of 399$

Thats what I paid for my n800.

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Yeah, but they make you rebuy the maps entirely if you want to update them too. My brother bought a TomTom Go 300, and the maps on it didn't even have his street on it, they were 3 versions old, and they wanted him to pay to update it.

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Plus, (for me at least) at some point you have to ask yourself, "how many devices do I really need to carry around...."

I cannot wait for OS2008 and I will most definitely be purchasing the WayFinder navigation upgrade. This, of course - if the 7 day trial period goes without hitch.

=)

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Wow!

Read this >> http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365&lang=en-US

I think has been linked to a couple of times in this thread. It might help to read the thread too. :)

OS2008 on a N800 is a step up. It will give you free maps of your country or region on your device that you can:

A. Access and browse for reference.

B. Use a BT GPS device to show your location.

What it will not do for free is provide point to point directions or voice prompts. For that you would pay a ONE TIME license fee of $129. I already have a license and it is transferable to a new device but can only be used on one device at a time. No where is there mention of a subscription or time limitation.

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why do we have to pay for that? why $130? why cant it be a $30 add on? its got a 2 gig storage in it because that software is already installed....your paying $130 to enable the software features that already exist on your tablet. BS.

guys, please, the ones nokia listens to, tell them to not do this bait/switch thing like archos does....i absolutely despise it!

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Any GPS unit for even as little as $100 will give you point to point and voice prompts without paying any fees after the intial purchase of the unit. Once again, I can't believe there is an addional charge. Once again, it takes away any desire to buy the 810 for the GPS app.

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Sorry to say but its definitely $130 for 36 months, I wish it wasn't the case, but it is:

http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5364&lang=en-UK

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Never saw that, H'mmm...

I don't think it was in my original Navicore licence agreement.

However, (to others) why ***** and moan about something that we are getting gratis.

If it bothers you that much, don't use it. Besides, in 36 months there will be 2 revisions to OS2008 and OS2009 to complain about. :rolleyes:

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This would be a good topic for a poll. It's turned me from a for sure purchase to a probably not. I'm ambivalent about the keyboard anyway, since most of my typing would probably be when I ssh'ed into the Nokia.

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Anyone can start a poll I believe but the proof in the pudding will come when it is actually released.
To me I think it is a pretty good deal none the less. In the past 36 months TomTom navigator has gone from version 3 to version 7.
And I still didn't see the words "subsciption"...

I doubt that they could put a time bomb on the device that would survive the inevitable, future firmware updates. It could only shut you down from their server; meaning no more map upgrades, that's all.

I don't know if TomTom upgrades maps for Version 3 anymore. :)

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Because it's not a "subscription", per se. You buy a 3-year license.

I don't think it's a time bomb that causes your navigation to stop working, but rather a license file that when present and current allows your navigation to work. That's what I gathered from the language on their website.

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Hey guys, I installed maemo mapper and after reading more about it, i'm taking it that you can't do directions on the go? Are there any other choices for a GPS program that functions like google maps for mobile?

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You can do directions on the go with Maemo Mapper, but (like Google Maps for Mobile) you must be connected to the internet. With the N810's built-in Maps program, you do not need to be connected to the internet.