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C00l IR laz3r!!

I highly doubt that will ever come true in the consumer electronics market, because people do not like IR because you have to but the devices together, unlike bluetooth (aka line of sight). But seriously, 1GB per second? It would need some really good hard drive or memory to write data that fast. And it would probably kill battery life not to mention a lot of other things...

In other news, I heard that Nokia has decided to discontinue all future tablets, and instead concentrating their "open source efforts" on their new Unified Symbian. It looks like there is not going to be a N900 or any future tablet. Over a 100 pages for nothing. So sad...










OK, no. But seriously, 100 pages and over 1000 posts about a device that is still not out, and every other time I check there is a great debate about something or another... Cant we just leave the poor N900 alone?? Whats wrong with you!!!

(or, we can let the madness continue. I vote madness)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

that 1gigabit, not 1gigabyte...

so something like 125megabyte pr second...

but thats still better then the old one that comes in at around 500kilobyte pr second...

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But we all like to dream. :) Besides, if Nokia isn't listening.. it seems that there are others who are. I've become a lot more serious about deciding to abandon my N800 for a Pandora now that it's been shown to me and has precisely EVERY feature and the form factor I've wanted.

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The Pandora?? Is that the codename for the new N900? Sorry, I'm a little late to the thread, so I'm not up to speed on the 109 pages of information contained here. ;)

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Yes.
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It might as well be, to me, if it turns out the way it's been described so far. Their website, in case you want to read up on it, is at http://openpandora.org/.

This just ups the ante as far as competition, near as I can tell.

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Pandora = Kick A55 Open Source Gaming Platform / Linux Computer

http://openpandora.org/

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Which is not exactly completed or available. ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Don't taunt. We can bite. Grrr. :)

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Ture! But at least it is better than the N900, which is still vaporware.

But seriously, when is the N900 going to come out? Lets see, N810W is still not out, so say it come out in September. How long a gap was there between N800 and N810, or N810 and N810W? Like 6 months give or take. So the N900 will be released next summer.

Next Summer will not be now, not even close. The playing field will be radically different. All the Android stuff, and Pandora, and MIDs and blah blah blah will be out. And they will all be better or at least the same as the realistic N900 presented in this forum. What advantage does the N900 have?

N800 and 770 were awesome devices, because there was nothing like them on the market. Now things have changed, and nothing is being done.

Like it or not, the iPhone has changed everything. Just look, everything is now (falsely) an "iClone", even a 770 that came out before! Seriously, I was watching Harold and Kumar: GB, and my friend said "Lol, he is too cheap to buy an Iphone..." and I had to explain the the "phone" he was using was not a phone and it came out years before the iPhone. Needless to say, he only believed me because he trusts me as a friend and gadget lover. I don't understand what Nokia is doing to change that, and they have to....

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The problem with all of these new entrants is that they don't have the experience on the software side. It's taken Nokia/Maemo and lots of independent developers/modders/programers three years to make a decent UI and repository that is stable and works. I'm putting my bet with Nokia. Hopefully they will listen to us and come out with a unit that exceeds what they already have achieved with Nxx series. Buying Trolltech and the mapping company will go along way in enchancing the software side of the tablet.

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I would guess the n900 will be released ces 2009. And it is going to be kickass.
I hope nokia also releases a small phone which goes along with the tablet lines. i guess most of the users here would buy it without second thought.

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Meanwhile, the drivers are still closed-source blobs and Nokia doesn't seem to be standing up for us, the community, to have access to the hardware from these parts providers the way other companies have (Neuros, Pandora, etc.). Worse--Nokia comes out in the press and does the most stupid backwards steps like claiming that OGG is riddled with patent issues preventing them from implementing it--but they'll implement MP3? And then telling the open source community that they NEED to embrace closed architecture and closed software--which tells me that they still don't seem to 'get it'.

Open standards and open source are both ways of enticing customers with enablement and promotes competition between all parties. Closed-source and closed-architectures are a way to keep people jailed into a product and limits progress and freedoms.

I *DO* buy into closed. I don't have a choice, most of the times. But if I'm given a choice, I will prefer the more open choice. If the music industry is any indication, people generally seem to prefer freedoms over tight controls.

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The N810w was to be out already, and I'd bet was done on time, but they were releasing it in conjunction with Sprint Xohm rollout; being held back by the reorganizations and delays on the network side doesn't mean Nokia's hardware guys are sitting around staring at N810w prototypes all day. I expect N900 development schedule is not being substantially altered by this, and if you think Nokia is going to sit on the N900 to try to maximize profit from the N810, or from some wierd "there must be 6 months" rule, I disagree. They can see that there's competition.

The Pandora looks to be precisely equivalent hardware in a different form-factor, and with different software. The N900 will have the benefit of more end-user targeted software, and probably a tablet or slider form-factor. (Which I like better; others prefer clamshells.)

Android devices will probably also be close competitors, but since there will be a number of different devices, it's hard to say much. I expect they'll bracket the N900 in capabilities; price will vary, especially with carrier subsidies and such.

The N900 will thrash most MIDs for battery life and/or portability, but they'll run x86 apps. I don't see these as being as close of competition as you imply, and the blah-blah-blahs I'm thinking of tend to track further away (in the same direction).

It's true the market has other players now, but it doesn't seem like it's that bad from here; I don't see another device I like better than either of the N8x0s right now in the same price range; even up to $600, and I'm not sure one is coming beyond maybe the Pandora and some Androids. The Pandora is the only real competitor to me, and as I've said is pretty near equivalent AFAICT. The Androids will be more competition for the target market, I think, but it's too early to tell about them, and I don't see any reason to believe they've necessarily got a substantial first-to-market advantage.

This is true, but the lack of openness on Nokia's part about upcoming models doesn't mean they won't be awesome when they arrive, or that they won't arrive soon... at least until the other alternatives materialize, I'll stick with being cautiously optimistic about the successor to the device I'm actually holding. ;)


p.s. Yes, I'm just a bit of a fanboy. That doesn't mean I'm wrong!:p

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I really believe more in Nokia to release N900 than a community-become-company which never released anything before that. Of course I'm not all in the Pandora details, so if you know of a big company behind it, please feel free to correct me.

Drivers are not Nokia's to release them and i don't believe Pandora would have if TI didn't open source them.

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N810W is specialized piece of hardware which was practically orphaned due to collapse of Sprint WIMAX network. IMO shouldn't be counted as normal release.

N900 should be out before Black Friday.

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Ummm, how knows you this? Seriously, I'm doing my darnedest to hold out and not get a n810, or something equally delicious, but.....there doesn't seem to be anything on the horizon (n9xxx wise that is).

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This still doesn't explain why Nokia isn't trying--and in fact has been saying things to the contrary, as I'd pointed out. It also doesn't really speak to the fact that others using similar architectures have been successful.

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I call Blatherskite!

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Until now Nokia released one model per year. As I said I don't consider N810W as regular model.

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What exactly OGG has to do with the hardware?

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DSP decoding OGG to offload work from the processor the way Nokia implemented it for MP3's.

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The N810W is a side-product. Now that that whole WiMAX thing doesn't seem to take off, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just cancelled.
The "N900" will be available well before next summer, that I'm sure of.

Uh, for not knowing anything about the next-gen tablet, you sure go ahead with some big assumptions.

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Tekrat said something a few months ago about expecting something in the fall time frame.

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Isn't trying to get TI and others to open source their stuff? ********.

Nokia tried and is trying like hell to get TI and others to open source as much of their stuff as possible. How much influence do you think their efforts have had in the new open direction of OMAP3?

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Citing the much faster adoption of openness from other vendors using similar hardware and Nokia's public statements about how everyone should feel the love for closed architectures doesn't instill confidence. But I'm quite open to being corrected if Nokia, TI and other involved parties will come out and actually demonstrate it more in public so that we know they're actually doing something for us. If they're doing this in closed rooms and we're talking speculation then there's nothing there to help convince me. I'm sure an open press release will go pretty far for all involved as it did for ASUS when they opened up.

Are you sure this is attributed to Nokia's efforts? I've not been convinced so far, based on what they've released to us as actionable news and not just wordy feel-good fluff.

If I had more to go on it would help a lot to convince people around me who look to me as the person that tries all this stuff out and follows the openness trends in gadgets. I've even had a few business owners approach me about the usefulness of the tablet in their organizations. So far, I've seen much more publicized actions from other parties even though I can't imagine that they would have the same pull as a big company like Nokia.

I've been a very, very happy N800 owner for a long time now and I've seen people buy it up around me because they've seen me make it do things that they've only been able to do on their laptops. Many of them are former or current Palm owners like I am. I credit that very highly to the tinkering openness geeky factor. You only need to look at the iPhone and how limited people felt with it that they needed to jailbreak it to make it do what the customer wanted.

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My understanding is that there was some legal issue with the OGG Vorbis DSP task, whether that's to do with patents or with whether the work was completed satisfactorily I've no idea. It's well within our power to write our own, if only some of the people who moan about it pulled their fingers out and helped....

Regarding the embracing closed sourceness, well yeah, Nokia are there to make money, if some stuff has to be closed source (to protect their IP, to make hw development cheaper for them, whatever), although I'll not be overly happy about it, I can accept it as long as it doesn't affect what I want to do.

Wifi driver is annoying, as is PowerVR as is IVA, this is a learning experience though, I hope they'll get these and other things sorted out for the next device.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Does it make sense to relate the release of OS2009 (maemo 5.0) to the N900?

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I thought that the reason why the public (and interested parties) couldn't help write an open-source implementation of OGG decoding on the DSP was because they kept a tight lid on how to program the DSP. Has that status changed recently?

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So many posts in this ooold thread.... I no longer care about what's in the N900. I want the N900 now. Come on, guys, the N8x0-platform is really, really old now.

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I've been writing DSP code using openly available documentation for the past 3 years or so. Some aspects are not currently available (mainly existing code - e.g. the EAP headers to allow direct audio output from the DSP, but if someone spends a bit of time with IDAPro I'm sure they could work out how to set up a link to that driver).

The information about getting started doing this programming is all there in the wiki (Programming the DSP) and the mailing list, or just ask me (or see my presentation at the Summit). I've recently restarted work on the dsp-tremor project (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/), so if you're interested please take a look.

Sorry for the canned advert, but as I don't use OGG Vorbis, it would be motivational if other people were also contributing, otherwise I'll get bored again and go do something else...

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hahahaha ... but still the best

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

better than the others still, yes. but i'm really impatient and want to spend money on a new gadget. ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Same here, will be nice to have (I hope) working OpenGL to play with, and a DSP that doesn't have 16bit chars! :) Come on Nokia, give us something new and cool to play with :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

There's no such thing as 'OS2009' and Maemo is always capitalized (but maemo.org is not). The next release of Maemo will be Maemo 5.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

so they are dropping the OS designations?

if so, thank god. as trying to figure out what version number to use in a bug report is a ***** ;)

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Well, uh, yes and no, I suppose. Internet Tablet OS is deprecated in favor of Maemo n.

Well, that isn't really affected by the OS2005-OS2008 designation. Versioning between the OS and the SDK is now shared. So Diablo is Maemo 4.1 (and the first SSU release is 4.1.1). Just be sure to remember to include the build string in your bug reports (4.2008.30-2). :)

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You bite your tongue! :) I repurchased an N800 because I really liked that particular model a lot.

Ribbing aside, I do agree. I am quite willing and open to being impressed by a newer model. Though, at this rate, I might end up opening up to a Pandora box first. I'm pretty disappointed that the newer model for this year, the N810, has a CPU that is barely faster than the N800's, no added memory and the move to the tinier SD cards and a lack of a second slot. The internal flash just doesn't do it for me. I already had that experience with the Palm Tungsten T5 and it's insufficiently unexpandable that way. At least it has GPS built in.. but I'm surprised that wasn't even in the N800, considering this is Nokia (cell phones and gps go together very often) and there had already been a 770 tablet before that. Still, better late than never but from what I'm hearing, the built-in GPS is nothing to write home about.

If Nokia puts out another tablet, it needs to impress me a few hundred dollars worth to make be purchase a newer model.. not spare change different enough to hope I'll want the newer thing.

Sorry to maybe sound ranty.. but I'm a picky geek power-user consumer and I play with too many gadgets to not be really critical but I'm trying to be constructive with my criticisms.

Anyway--yeah.. need something with just a teeny bit more oomph, there. Also, want a clamshell design to protect keyboard and screen. Want. :)

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Where do you get your information? . . .

A few notes of historical interest: You want to know when we knew the N800 was coming out? About 2 days before release. You want to know when we knew anything interesting about the N810 (aside from the spy-shots which many people thought were actually of an S60 device)? The day Nokia announced it and released the specs.

Point being, Nokia is much like Apple in its tight-lipped approach to hardware. The OMAP3 is really only now starting to sample in any real numbers, and you can be sure that even though they haven't announced anything, Nokia hasn't been sitting on its laurels.

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Umm... the N810 isn't the "newer model for this year". It's the "newer model for last year".