Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I guess I placed it as this year's model since it was released late in the year last year and the N800 had only just come out January of last year. My apologies for the innaccuracies.

I thought I'd remembered reading that the processor was just slightly faster. It doesn't make it any better at all, then.

Do you think that the tight-lipped Apple approach works the best? My figuring is that it kind of works for Apple because of Jobs' showboating on release days, but it doesn't seem as if Nokia does that. Maybe Nokia doesn't need to; I'd gotten mine without a lot of melodrama from the manufacturer. I simply saw that it was a LINUX based tablet based on Debian and that got me hooked. Everyone else saw how I got along with it and wanted one--they didn't know Linux from Apple from Windows... they just liked that I had a LOT of power and flexibility with it and that I could even write my own little apps and stuff. VERY attractive to the business folks, that last bit.

Well, your optimism makes me hopeful, then. Thanks for your responses despite my gruffness sometimes. :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Eh, I don't really have a strong opinion on the subject.

It's really all about who you're targeting. Intel is very open about their hardware plans because they sell to OEMs. Getting consumers excited about the next big product helps get OEMs excited. On the other hand, companies that sell to consumers, like Apple and Nokia, tend to be very quiet about what they're planning. To keep competitors from knowing acting on your future hardware plans. To help keep current stock selling instead of ending up with everybody waiting for the new hardware. To keep from having to throttle back on announced plans when things don't go quite as planned. To increase the "Wow!" factor when you do finally release the product. These things all factor in in some way or another.

Unfortunately the tight-lipped approach does leave those of us waiting suffering a bit more than we'd like, though the speculation and rumor-mongering does have its own appeal (this coming from a long-time veteran of the Apple rumor scene. . . . :D).

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It also opens the doors for competitors who're making similar products to snatch people away with something newer and better when those consumers would otherwise have waited for the same brand. I'm actually still pretty hopped up on that Pandora ever since someone pointed it out to me. Considering I haven't seen an official anything from Nokia about anything similar or competitive, I would easily pick one up as soon as it comes out.

Mind you--I'm also the type of gadget dork that would buy that AND the new Nokia just because I like to play with everything. I keep mentioning my Palm Tungsten T5 which I've had since 2004--still have it.. rarely still use it but still have it. Palm hasn't released a true update/upgrade from the T5 in all this time. Sure, they put out the TX but it was the same thing with a black plastic body and built-in wifi (I had to buy a wifi SDIO card for mine) only with a slower processor and no more extra built-in flash memory. The only NEW things they've released since are Treo phones and the Centro.. which I'm not really interested in because I abhor combining my portable computer with phone company radios.

At least there's the rumor mill, here. It helps a little, but only a little.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

This tightlipped approach is driving me nuts!
I'm currently wondering wether to get a N810 or not for a trip next weekend.
I like almost all about it, but i wouldn't mind a faster Processor (OMAP 3530 preferably), the screen interface issues? fixed and maybe an improved GPS.
I know i should buy the device and be happy that i can enjoy it now, but if Nokia comes out with an N900 in the next three weeks or so, i'm going to scream!

Bye,
NsN

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Be thankful you didn't buy an iPhone around this time last year so that you were part of the people who experienced the sudden price drop.

...or the folks who bought an original iPhone just before the new iPhone 3G came out.

You make a good point. Yeah.. there's something to be said about that tight-lipped strategy that can burn your customers and leave a bad taste in the future.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

. . . why the hell did OMAP get lowercased? Reggie?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

@GA:
I assume you mean you tried for this, and it didn't work?

It's working fine in the preview, anyway.

What I have (copied into noparse tags):
[QUOTE=No Such Nick;216230]([strike]OMAP 3530[/strike] OMAP3430 preferably)[/QUOTE]

Problem on your end, maybe?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I can't imagine how.

[quote=no such nick;216230]
([strike]OMAP 3530[/strike] OMAP3430 preferably)[/quote]

Now it works . . . WTF?

That is truly about as bafflingly ******ed as it gets.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

OK, I'd like to see the N900 not mess with GA's uppercase! ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Well, at least now I've learned how to do the strike, so something useful finally came out of this thread! :D

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Remove shift from the n900 keyboard !!!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

When, or right before a new product comes out the price of the old product goes down (which isn't good for amount of profit made on the old devices). Although if you're able to make a good deal it might be wise to go for it.

I don't think the N900 will soon be released. Why would it? They're still investigating what should be better in the N810 (see today's news on maemo.org), and there are no indications for such. Maemo 4.2 or 5.0 isn't coming out soon either.

The N96 however will be released soon; mid-septembre.

Competitors for N8x0 are also on the rise.

The N800 and N810 both have their advantages and disadvantages, while we have no clue what the strong or weak points of the N900 might be.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

John: you were right about being suspicious that BlueTooth encryption scheme is broken. All protocols using LFSR as part of their encryption scheme (GPS, GSM, CDMA, BT, HDTV (DVB-T), DAB) are most likely broken. I stand corrected.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Do you mean the link to http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/how-wo...okia-n810.html ? That's just an entry on thoughtfix's blog, not news from Nokia itself.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I was wondering what the hell he was jabbering about but didn't have to energy to figure it out. . . .

Thanks, pelago! :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

N900:

lighter
better GPS
replace yen, pound and euro symbol with |,{,}
microSD (although SD would be better)
processor/graphics upgrade
usb charging (yeah, I know there is an adaptor)
no cellphone (I don't want monthly charges)
rewards for programmers of awesome open domain apps

well, the last one could apply to all models, but it would attract attention.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

They've already done this for every tablet.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Very cool!

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I just read today that Intel will soon be producing a new dual core Atom processor. Is that something that could go into an n900?

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No. :rolleyes:

An Atom uses about as much power as the whole tablet.

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Indeed: maybe one day Intel and ARM will be comparable in terms of power consumption - after Intel sheds some of the older layers of skin and drops legacy stuff like PCI. Not that ARM is not going the other way, so they will probably meet as some point, in the middle.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

And what about the mainboard? :) Recently read that an old 1GHz Athlon with an old K8 mainboard is faster and uses less power than an Atom with its board :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I would simply be thrilled if it would pair with my Palm Centro.. Don

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Exactly.... It was in Tomshardware site.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

yep, thats really a problem these days. the cpu have become so efficient that its everything else that draws to much.

display backlights (i hear nokia plans to go amoled, something for the N900?), storage, radios, they all draw more now then the cpu.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

The difference being that ARM started out minimalistic and designing a small systems' design for their processor and systems. Intel starts out with the idea that is must be like the big systems (x86 compatible, PCI/PCIe/etc) so they're starting out inefficient and trying to make it more efficient.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Which is exactly why it's stupid try and shoehorn an x86 CPU into these power restrictions.

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Anyway in the picture there is also TI, for what OMAP is concerned. The ARM is a significant portion but not so large. DSP and interconnect take their good share of silicon and power.
But that's something Intel has to face as well.

Going up with speed is something that is proven to be the wrong answer.

Personally I'm skeptic about the extremely high number of general purpose cores as well.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It could be anything which happens to _also_ be able to execute x86 in some emulation mode.

The TI calculator emulator is a bit slow on my n810, but I expect omap3 to deal with it much better. And that would emulate an entire 68K based system.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Something like the approach used in transmeta crusoe cores?

Anyway, it would be quite interesting to investigate (if it's not done already) what is the main performance bottleneck in arm->x86 emulators and if any reasonably simple extension to the arm instruction set can result in more efficient x86 emulation :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

With the new rumors flying today on much lower, pre-holiday prices for the Apple Touch plus the promised release of more powerful, fairly-reasonably priced MIDs due for broader release before the 4th Q, the market is definitely changing. I hope anything Nokia produces in future will be powerful enough to run Open Office (and bring back an SD slot). (For daily business use out of the office, I need something more portable than my larger, desktop replacement laptop. I need more than calendaring and parking work-related things on Google servers is a no-go due to security/hacking issues.) Personally, I'm waiting for the Gigabyte M528, but the Kohjinsha SC3 is getting very good reviews so I may change my mind again.

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Caruso is a neat hack of an idea but, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it already being used in other modern processors? I thought the failure of selling Crusoe processors eventually led to the company mainly selling its patents to others who wanted to implement their techniques? I know they VERY recently sold some licenses to Sony (cell processors), NVIDIA, NEC for some of those technologies and that they have made some kind of 10-year patent deal to allow Intel to use their technologies, too. I wouldn't doubt that ARM might have eventually gone back over and made a license deal with them, too. I don't know that, though--I just imagine that the bumps up in ARM speeds in recent years might be one heck of a coincidence, maybe?

Remember that, under the classic model of how processors are designed, adding instructions to a processor means adding more silicon and metal to the processor which means an additional pathway for heat dissipation and/or power inefficiency. I'd rather that ARM/OMAP only bother adding instructions that don't really hurt performance and power.. and put more emphasis on tweaking up the processing speed (either electrically or by adding some smarter instructions--not necessarily for emulation's benefit).

I figure, in the end, you'll get emulation even if it's by software means without some special x86 hardware support.. any improvement in speed overall would help emulation along. My opinion is that I would rather have native apps perform better, as much as I love emulators.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

iirc, current intel cpus do not do X86 natively. instead its broken down into micro-ops or something like that. basically, the X86 instruction set acts as a kind of abstraction...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Are touchscreen OLED screens possible?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

i would think so...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Just multiply the price by a chosen number above 2... :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Ok, given that this thread has like 116 pages, I'm not gonna go surfing for this answer, so I'll ask here in hopes that someone knows if this has been asked. But anyways, here goes.

Would it be possible to have a cellular network data link option on top of the WiMax connection for the n900? The idea is that in the absence of wifi and/or wimax, you could jump on your cellular provider's 3g or similar data network and get at least a low level data access. I know that the N810 has a bluetooth link to a cell phone that'll do essentially the same thing, but it's limited to Nokia phones, which is a bit limiting as well.

Just a thought.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Since when, exactly? Last I checked, DUN and PAN were pretty damn ubiquitous standards. :rolleyes:

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Works fine with a OLD Sony Ericsson, so I don't know what you are talking about...

I want to address one thing about the cellphone inside a NIT. We all agree that it would be bad because telco companies might place restrictions (like the iPhone), but another complaint is the

"I don't want to be stuck with 3G or 4G, because it is not upgradeable, thus I would like to pair with a phone over bluetooth so I can have the fastest internet connection."

Ok, the way the market is moving today, by the time 5G or full coverage of 4G comes to the market, I am 99.999% sure that you could buy a phone or MID or whatever that is cheaper and faster etc than a tablet. So why the hell would you use a tablet in the future, when the phone you are using to tether is BETTER than the tablet itself? Just does not make sense...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

bluetooth is for more then just tethering ;)

with skype or gizmo set up, and a handsfree paired, one can use the tablet as a desktop voip terminal.

i even found myself listening to a audio book using my handsfree the other day. as its talk rather then music, i dont need ad2p anyways.

then there are all those that use keyboards, from small collapsible ones on to full size apple and logitech ones, or even to connect the tablet to a car monitoring system (carman).