Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I wouldn't go THAT far. But I think wrt to the 4 things that I was replying to (faster CPU, A2DP, 1024x600, USB Host), they're either covered (USB Host), I don't care either way (faster CPU and A2DP), or they're of questionable value (1024x600).

It's still just a rumor ... but it's a rumor that isn't going away. And it's a rumor that I hope is true. I'd love to have a Maemo/Mer device in the middle-range (between pocketable and laptop). I'd personally like something like either:

1) Convertible Tablet Netbook (7" or 9" screen),
2) the Touchbook (in both keyboard and keyboardless config)
3) MAYBE like the HTC Shift (which is sort of like a giant N97/TouchPro2/AT&T-Tilt)
4) MAYBE fully physically keyboardless, if and only if, you can get a full 80x24 terminal window, with full size thumb keyboard, when you're in portrait mode ... and have a decent size VNC viewer window while also having that full size thumb keyboard up, when in portrait mode.

But definitely not like the HTC Advantage (seems to fragile to me), and also not a plain "mini-laptop" netbook that has no tablet capability (not even with a touch screen; I hate the Raon Everun Digital Note, which his a mini-laptop type netbook, with touch screen... pointless IMO).

Larger screen, screen rotation, a keyboard that you can actually type on (not just thumb type, though 7" would be a little cramped), can be used like a tablet, has video out (mini-DVI-I or mini-Apple Display Port), easy USB Host in, and optional internal 3G and/or 4G (either via internal USB, or via PCI Express Mini, or since it's Nokia, maybe on the motherboard).

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Wow - I'm not the only one looking for a midsized unit. I've been thinking about this a LONG time. I really want the core unit to be perfect for reading and browsing - comfortable to hold, spectacular resolution, and big enough to avoid eyestrain. A bluetooth keyboard would be a fine solution for those times when you want to use it as a computer. Maybe even provide a charging stand that holds it at the right angle for use as a monitor.

A paperback book has an effective 'screen size' of around 6.5" diagonal. If you could maintain the resolution of the NIT screen and stretch it to that size, it would be around 1024x768 at least. That's not workstation class, but it would be adequate for no-compromise reading and web browsing.

By the way - I'm keeping my 810 in any event. The tiny size is great.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Not just a rumor. I drove by the manufacturing facility and it is a-buzzing. I've also responded to job postings for the netbook production. ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

hmm, interesting that Nokia manufacture the tablets in USA. Do they not also manufacture in, say, China, Taiwan or Eastern Europe? Perhaps because they're relatively expensive "lifestyle" devices made in smaller numbers there's insufficient cost savings to send manufacture to China to make millions of them?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

The word "manufacture" is used very loosely these days. For example, the tablets start in Asia (Korea last time I checked) and are final-assembled in Mexico (used to be US before our factory shut down). So I'm sure the netbooks will experience something similar. Final "assembly" in the US could be something as basic as loading location-specific software or applying other value dictated by a US-based partner/customer...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

... DUDE!! Details!?

size?
format (convertible tablet? regular clamshell?)
Maemo or something else?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Those details I don't have. I only know the wheels are in motion.

Oh, and Nokia has recently listed jobs with the word "netbook" prominent in the description. The jobs I applied for are with the partner, Q-Edge (division of Foxconn).

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

But will it have a stylus? :p

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

another damned detail...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

What about timeline for when it's gonna ship? :-) (probably not, but had to ask)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

No clue.

But if I got hired on there... nah, I'd have to go back to "hee hee hee".

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

N900, how about it being something like the pandora.
not saying design wise but more of its functionality.
much better cam, least 3 mega pixel
easy to connect usb devices without adapter.
one of those ssd 8-16 gb

easy to install your favorite linux
ethernet port.
good use of a 3d chip
600-800 mhz would be pretty sweet.

oled screen maybe? I heard those are good.

around 4.8 inch screen
and of course better resolution.

ZyonDurex,
Zyon city, Planet Durex

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

What would I see in the next NIT ?


- Better keyboard ( I have a Nokia E90 and it's a looooot better than the terrible N810 version)
- Hardware graphics acceleration
- Dual micro SD Slot
- Native Open Office port

- Maybe a bigger screen
- Maybe OLED but i prefer reflective for outdoor use

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Right now, the MAIN thing I want to see with respect to the N900 is...


a release announcement *.



(* release date and final hardware specs)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

1. A REASONABLE f*cking internal MEMORY SIZE..my HUGEST HUGEST disappointment in the n810 is the TINY internal storage size, because right now i have ZERO space left, BUT 500 MB in the internal storage CARD..and im no freaking expert so that space i cannot install programs to.. this is ******ED.. I dont WANT to install an OS to a REMOVEABLE card Either because of that very reason: I want it to be REMOVEABLE while the machine is still on..geez..

2. USB (2 ports if at all possible) for easier hassle free access to more storage, and other things.. (usb keyboard, mouse, other ****)

3. Graphics (so we can emulate a n64 if possible)

4. slightly larger screen size..(extendable if at all possible for those times you're at home etc.. although im guessing the technology is still some way off?) ---BUT keep it hand held - the device could be almost the same dimensions still - look at your n810 now & just extend the screen up and left and right instead of these wasted casing areas (maybe a more touchable, ridged sides of the device, for holding purposes)

5. a MOUSE-DEVICE ie.. a "thumb mouse" or whatever u call that little button thing, AND the nav square moved to the RIGHT (most of us are ****ing right handed, come on Nokia)

6. faster processor.. 800 mhz if at all possible

7. improved INSTALLER (the "application manager") for regular users especially.. easier to use, locate, install, and uninstall, AND ESPECIALLY (if nokia continues this tiny internal memory with an extra internal card thing) option to CHOOSE WHERE TO INSTALL the application like you can in Mac OS X AND WINDOWS..for god's sake man..

8. better colors AND optional color schemes for the casing style.. lets beautify, nokia.. why not show the vaio a thing or two about style!

9. Marketed (seeing as its TRUE) as a UMPC.. the affordable option (compared to these ******ed $800 + devices)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

You can do that now, you just need an adapter.

Err, it's on the left side exactly for that reason. Even the N64 (and pretty much all nintendos) you mention previously has it's dpad on the left side.

Also, any stuff on the right side cannot be used with the stylus, as right handed people will have the stylus in their right hand.

It's not an UMPC, marketing it as such would be misleading as people would think they can install windows on it.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

yeah, rather than marketing it as an UMPC, they could try marketing it as an "ARM based MID" (there are a few others). But I don't actually see that happening.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

EXACTLY. You need an adapter, you need to do OTHER stuff that average user is not going to do. You're still in "im a linux supergeek" mode..

USER EXPERIENCE mate..

Don't know what your talking about for the d-pad..it's not a d-pad at all.. right now its a mouse replacement or direction KEYS thing replacement..which is on the RIGHT of every regular keyboard. I'd be happy for it to stay if they put a mouse dot thing on the right (balance it out and make it MORE like a d-pad i suppose)

No.. UMPC does NOT = "can install windows on it" mate, (wrong answer buzzer button on a game show)

UMPC stands for Ultra Mobile Personal Computer

and yes it is EXACTLY that.. a very bad computer (aka a computer from like the early 90s) but still a BLIMMIN COMPUTER mate

that's exactly what i got it for..its a very small computer in my freaking hand.

As opposed to an iPod touch which is a computer so BADLY DISABLED-by-design that THAT can only be considered a mobile entertainment device instead of an actual computer.

Oh and by the way, from APPLE INSIDER recently:

"Web market share for the iPod touch has tripled in just five months, outpacing even the iPhone among mobile devices"

See? the future is in the handheld COMPUTER that accesses the ever growing internet.. telephones are antiquated.

it IS a umpc dawg. it IS.. just from the early 90s or whatever.. it's almost as good as my very first DESKTOP PC which was literally (rough cubic inches calculation) around 750 TIMES LARGER THAN THIS THING... and only a TINY...TINY bit more powerful, mate

(it was one of those tower-on-its-side gateway pc's.. 450Mhz hahah BUT it did have graphics u see, 5GB HD, lolz!)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

If attaching to a standard microUSB port is supergeek, I don't dare imagine where Maemo in general is on that geek scale :)

The NIT equivalent for mouse dot thing is the stylus :)

Yes, well, the trouble is that it's YOUR interpretation. Unfortunately, UMPC means something else for 99% of people who have heard about the term.

1) WEB market share. WEB does not equal COMPUTER.
2) Market share is a percentage, it changes all the time.
3) Bringing Apple Insider as proof/reference for Apple successes and market predictions... Well, that's kinda lame.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

From what i have understood, the internal storage was the biggest available as a CoC module at the time. sure, they could have done something similar as to what they did with the N810, but that would have made the overall board larger to make room for the extra chip(s).

i guess a secondary option would have been to basically put the whole os on a internal (preferably replaceable) SD card (yes, one can do so by choice, but then comes a reflash/SSU and one is back to the start again), but then nokia never was in the biz of making their product that user upgradeable...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Needing an physical adapter is "supergeek"? Frankly, that may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So, those consumer devices that let you plug an Express Card into a USB slot ... that's "supergeek", even though some wireless ISPs use them as standard equipment for use with their wireless cards?

Or, those business people who do international travel, and use power adapters for their laptops... according to you, they're no longer "corporate suite" types? Even though they know next to nothing about geek topics, they're now "supergeeks" because they have physical adapters on their electronic gear?

And, it's a phrase coined by a joint team of Intel, Microsoft, and Samsung, to refer to a particular class and generation of devices which, not very coincidentally, specifically use x86 hardware and the Windows OS. Further, they have a particular size and performance profile (8" and 7" screens).

The more generic term (both in terms of size, CPU, and OS), which also includes Linux devices, is MID (also coined by Intel, and later clarified by Intel to be a super-set of the both the UMPC and netbook markets).

Even if you want to go with the more casual use of the terms, UMPCs are regarded as larger devices than MIDs. Again, UMPCs have 7" - 9" screens, are not aimed at the pocketable market, and attempt to be desktop replacement types devices (running desktop OSes, in desktop user interface configurations). Smaller than that, and more optimized around being pocketable devices, are the MID and/or smartphone markets (depending on the device's exact capabilities).

Welcome to the tradeoffs of the mobile market. Smaller, lighter, cooler, longer (battery life) == slower. Period. If you want to increase the speed, you have to give up one or more of the other factors.

And, the Nokia NIT platform is not considered by the mobile market at large (not even by the windows oriented faction) to be a "dawg", they're considered to be one of the market leaders. They were the first MID on the scene, they have one of the best mobile UI's on the scene, etc.. Perfect? no. "dawg"? Not even close.

Compare it to your beloved UMPC market, where the CPU's predate the Atom (such as the Samsung Q1 Ultra), and you're looking at devices that are actually SLOWER than the NIT overall (more MHz, but still slower devices), and have half the battery life ... at best. Yet, they also weigh 2-4 times as much, and have UI's that aren't even closed to optimized for the mobile market (most of them are just running the desktop XP or Vista environment, unmodified).

From there, if you want a device with one of the faster Atom processors, you're most likely going to be carrying around a heat generating battery sucking device that either has a battery bigger than the NIT itself, or has a pitiful battery life (or both).

If you want to keep trying to argue this, you might want to do a bit more research on the topic. If there's one thing you've made clear, it's that you don't know have even half a clue about what you're talking about.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I think the shortest thing I can say about any new device is this: I won't buy anything with a micro-SD slot. Normal-size SD or no deal, ever.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I have a feeling you won't be buying the new device. I can't think of a mobile device that has shipped from Nokia since the N800 that had a full sized SD slot.
I just want an N810 with a better processor and 3G so it looks like I am all set ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'd prefer the exact opposite. My pocketable device should have a microSDHC card slot.

Full size SD card slots are for netbooks, UMPCs, and larger devices, and they're intended to receive any size SD card (micro, mini, or full size) via adapters where necessary. That latter requirement isn't necessary (nor, even, really appropriate) in a pocketable device.

MicroSD cards are cards that can be put into any device, and take up as little room as possible. Both of those, but especially the latter, are highly appropriate for pocketable devices.

Though, I wouldn't consider either direction to be a "deal breaker". However, I would be greatly disappointed to see Nokia do another miniSD slot.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

It's true that if all Nokia come out with will have micro-<something> slots, I won't be getting any Nokia again.

Even if everything went 'micro' I wouldn't buy it, simply because micro-SD cards are physically too small: I will lose them. They're small enough to fall out of whatever I try to keep them in. There's no way I can keep them safe. Even the wallet coin pocket won't hold them - there's typically a little gap there. I can just manage to keep my full-size SD cards as it is.

But I don't expect that such a change will actually happen until we're way beyond NAND flash: full-size SD format will keep walking up to 2TB and will keep the size until they're there. After that things could change, but we've hopefully something better than NAND by then.

Micro SD is _TOO SMALL_. It only works for devices where you keep a single card permanently inside the slot, forever. As you would do with a phone. That's where Nokia is heading, apparently: The phone folks there have taken over, with just too limited imagination.

EDIT: I don't _mind_ a microSD card in a phone. I do mind in a NIT/MID/UPMC device though.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

So,

1) buy a bunch of MicroSD to SD card adapters (watch out, all of these adapters will make you a supergeek).

2) put the adapters into your wallet/carrying case/etc. Just like you do with full size SD cards now.

3) when you take a microSD card out of a device, put it into one of the adapters (and make sure it's properly seated in the adapter). Now you've got a microSD card that is just as safe to carry as a full size SD card, just as hard to lose as a full size card, etc.

4) when you want to put the microSD card back into your N900, pull it out of the adapter and put it into the N900.

:-)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

"Google plans to release a mobile app called "Star Droid", which uses a combination of GPS and the phone's camera to label the stars above your head.

"Once they've attained a GPS lock, users will be able to point their phones' cameras toward the night sky and have star data—probably pulled from the same sources as Google Earth's Sky—superimposed over the image."

http://gizmodo.com/5250393/google-st...l-nerd-updated

Cool background:

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20...h-the-universe

Video:

http://phandroid.com/2009/05/12/goog...ndroid-market/

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Will they have a mapper program to plot a navigation path for your space ship?

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Yes, you just go to google maps, enter the star chart information, click on "get directions", and enter the other star chart information, and it will give you the sublight astrogation information you need. There may also be an option for entering warp, hyperspace, wormhole, star gate, and other translight astrogation instructions.

Last, if you click on "public transportation", it will also give you information about locations where you can make yourself a likely "alien abductee" for hitching a ride to the desired location. Hopefully it'll also give you an indication of the "costs" of each mode of alien travel (being a guinea pig for organ transplants, genetic manipulation ... probes... the usual).

:-)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Great, I won't crash my space ship in the moon next time! (Never schedule the maiden voyage of a spacecraft on the night of the new moon, folks!!!)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

What, users are supposed to provide their own space ship? I won't be buying any such device unless it comes with a Sub-Etha Sense-O-Matic transceiver!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

But a SEP field is required...

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

What I want to see most... a way to trade in my 770 and N810 for the N900. Heck, extend that offer to the community first.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Ok, admittedly that _would_ work, kind of :)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

4.8 inch screen -or 5 inch on a n810 thats it -maybe a new os,better gps
the rest is fine

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

With in the realm of possibility, the front face has a diagonal of 5.7 inches, so it's really "just" a matter of reducing the bezel.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I'd like Bluetooth 3.0, 802.11n, USB charging (would prefer to eliminate the "standard" port, but would settle for being able to charge via the USB port in addition to the standard), hot swappable batteries (capacitor for the interim), inductive charging (palm pre dock style), a secondary EInk display, solar charging integrated into the hard cover (yes I want a hard cover like my 770 has), diversified model line including models with and without keyboards, a pico projector...ummm, oh yes, and I'd like the battery to be one of the newer lithium ion chemistries that charges in 2-3 minutes instead of hours. As an aside, to everyone who po-pos the pico projectors being integrated into phones or IT or MIDs, the killer app for phones with pico projectors has got to be head up display on the windshield, of say google maps (or your mapping program of choice), GPS enabled of course. Anyways, when is it showing up?!??!?!

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

They use the compass for the direction, not the camera. Hey, if I knew the N900 spec would make this possible, I would have already made such an app (likely slow and bloated, but still ;) ) when QGil first suggested it last year. Without compass, with just accelerometers and a camera it would be quite a feat.

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

I reckon the star map matching/recognition bit is the most interesting aspect, but then I like DSPs too... ;)

Re: What woud you realistically like to see in the N900?
 

Still, I would get ready for an online virtual world that you interact with from the real world on a mobile device much like this Star Droid with Google sky.

Can you imagine standing in a field @ Gettysburg or Waterloo, pointing your device at a farmhouse and them having an overlay come up on your browser with relavant facts and additional sites linked to it?

Can you also imagine millions of tourists, by using such an app, giving Google permision to send relevant adds to their device based on their reported location like "and right arround the corner is La Pate Et Ose"? :)