Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

hmmm... I thought dreamhost supported java...

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Works for me

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

strange, it's just dumping me the source. TBH I just assumed they didn't support java as so few do

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

It launches for me (main.jsp) but seems buggy. I can't do anything with it. There are other web clients though, and I'm sure I'll find one that will work. The trick after that will be integrating it...

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Added an update to the Jablet news page (http://www.jablet.net/news/). Advanced users familiar with Jabber that want to get a preview of the services I'd like our Jabber server to have can go there to find out how to connect. Rookie users will have to settle for the screenshot of the various gateways I've put there. Enjoy.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

FYI, I found mentions of a sametime transport project on the 'net, but nothing after 2005...

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I looked up some stuff about Sametime and it really doesn't look like there's much except some plugins available for Gaim/Kopete/etc... don't see it happening. Sorry, man.

As for the video center feeds, it appears that it's working. http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/test.html has a quick sample Video Center feed (Diggnation small xvid) which should work fine when the link is clicked on. It should ask you if you'd like to launch Video Center and then proceed with adding the service.

Give it a shot, you know you want to.

Because the feed format is pretty standard, I could easily see feed creation being automated by a web frontend open to our users so that they can add their own feeds and, after being tested and approved by someone (a mod, myself, whatever), being shown publically.

EDIT: RSS feed for the video center database would be perfect, allowing people to directly be notified of new shows/services added and also allow them to add the service directly from the RSS feed reader on the tablet without needing to visit the site first.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Looks like a mime type is needed: "No application to open file" on the N810.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

You don't have Video Center installed on your N810. :)
I added the MIME type to the .htaccess file. Once I reloaded a few times, and cleared the cache, it worked perfectly on my N800.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

yeah, r2d2rogers just pointed that out. D'oh. I don't even know if it runs on N810 yet... I'll look into it.

EDIT: foo. Incompatible.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Another service proposal: people are really wanting pan and other network sharing options made easy. THAT might be another "killer app". For instance, if only the tablets could be made into occasional wifi providers, not just consumers-- that way my kids could play collaborative Nintendo DS games on the road. Or if a tablet could share its wifi access with another, or if a bluetooth phone could be used as the conduit for 2 or more tablets...

All of these would be highly popular I believe.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

That's something that we can't do on the website though and I don't see how we could easily pull something like that off on the tablet to be honest.

Video Center database up and running. We should be able to fit that kind of thing into any design we please. I'll probably add a few more fields to the database to allow alternate feeds such as low/high end (only if both are usable on the tablets) as well as alternative mp3 podcast feeds if available.

Constantly making changes. Don't be surprised if it looks different than it did five minutes ago. More and more ideas just keep popping up. ;)

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Glad you got the juice flowing, and sorry for the random post above. I get these crazy ideas, just ignore me. :p

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

No, don't apologize. This whole thing was a crazy idea and now look what it's turning into. :)

This video center stuff is fun.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Hi
Big thanks to all for taking this initiative. I will be using the service. I know i am late to the discussion, but for email i was wondering if anyone had considered deploying an instance of the open source exhange equivalent ... Zimbra. See zimbra.com

does the dreamhost server allow for deploying of your own packages ... Do you get command line access and/root access to your account area.
Zimbra has the best desktop experience, however the tablet experience is lacking barring the new iphone interface having been developed for rel 5 due out soon, that looks great.
I wont list all the features here, the website has a demo for anyone interested in trying the software out.

Let me know how this thought is taken by the project leads.

If not for this phase does anyone know if there is a cheap hosting company where i could install a zimbra server and test drive it.
Great job, and look forward to beta testing everything you deploy with.

Thanks
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Thanks
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Thanks

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I believe you can install what you want, but you can't run any processes. So if it's something that uses Apache, you're fine. If it's a separate server, forget about it unless you get a virtual hosting account.. which I'm hoping to eventually do. Tex will have to fill you in on the gory details.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Actually, I saw support on dreamhost for cron jobs, but that's it.

The cheapest virtual hosting I found was $30 USD per month, and that was VERY basic... very low bandwidth, storage, etc. The more robust offerings get up to and over $100 USD per month very quickly. : /

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Yes, it does get very expensive very quickly.

I'd host it all myself at home if it weren't for bandwidth concerns.

Edit: Moved Video Center stuff to http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

http://www.tektonic.net/unmanaged.html - $28 pm for 100mbs/500gb bandwidth, 20gb disk, 512mb ram. $53 pm for double everything. I run several fairly extensive DB-based java e-commerce websites and a mail server quite happily off the $28pm package.

I don't have a fat enough pipe to host anything significant at home, but I can host test servers. I need to keep the majority of my bandwidth for VOIP

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Awesome deal. Mm... tempting.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

There's also a $15 pm basic package (10gb disk, 256mb ram) you could test with, and I think it's a 1 month contract. They accept paypal payment too, makes it easy to use donations to keep it running. I'll happily donate $5pm or so towards it.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I think I will be going for that one... only problem is domain registration isn't possible. Gotta talk with Tex to see about moving over to it if he's interested. Finally, a decent place to run Openfire from. :D

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Pointing a subdomain from dreamhost would be very doable as we already have the dreamhost package for a year. I was looking at the DNS options in the web panel and it shouldn't be hard to point talk.jablet.net or something similar to an openfire server running somewhere else.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Arg, and after I shelled out $60 to 1and1 and then another $30 to dreamhost... :(

Man I wish these suggestions had come in sooner...

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I keep my domains elsewhere (joker.com) and use tektonic. tektonic will give you a dedicated IP, you just need to set an A-Record (sub-domain) to point to that IP, or point the main domain to that IP.

If you want to run a mail server on the VPS, you'll need to set the jablet.net MX records to point to the VPS too.

Give me a shout if you need anything, Jay, I'll PM you my email address

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...t=11182&page=7

sorry

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

LOL... just a timing thing, pixel, no big deal. But you weren't the only one reading the thread. ;)

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Yeah, agreed. I feel bad about this. First round of donations will be going to a worthy charity - Texrat's hurting wallet and I'm being serious about it.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

LOL... nah, don't sweat it. I haven't even seen the bill for 1and1 yet. :D

Oh, and jablet is registered through 1and1, so no worries regarding dreamhost registration. I have to keep it on 1and1 for 60 days before any transfer.

Also, I still want to eventually host ldug.org side-by-side with jablet, wherever it goes. But there is no big rush; let's keep proving things out as we can.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Absolutely.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Tex, do dreamhosts offer a 14 day cooling off period? unless you have further requirements for the hosting, you may be able to cancel it if you're quick

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Eh, I'm not gonna sweat $30. I really just wish I had asked a few more questions before creating another 1and1 account (I could have just added a domain name registration). My goof. It may be worthwhile to keep the dreamhost server going for testing purposes.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Video Center work continues. Created a form for entering feeds into the database for users (currently unlinked - needs more error checking). Feeds are added in unapproved status (won't show up in main listing without approval). Reasons for being left in unapproved status: porn, does not play well enough in media player, missing vcfg files.

Coming soon, automatic/correct VCFG file creation after data is submitted to database, RSS feeds for newly added shows, admin approval page.

Edit: VCFG file creation complete.

Edit 2: RSS feed for Video Center is almost complete. Just doesn't open in the tablet's RSS feed reader yet. Most likely a minor change. Interestingly enough, .htaccess didn't help.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I'm not sure how exactly it would fit in with your plans, but you can get free Google Apps for your domain name.

For example, you could provide Gmail-type email accounts (with IMAP) with 4+ GB of storage for each user (@jablet.net or @ldug.org).

http://www.google.com/a/org/

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

Read my previous answers in this thread.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I see you want to do it all yourself...

I can understand you wanting to do something unique with IM... but email? What can you do that would improve on Gmail (which supports POP, IMAP and web access, and would use your domain name)? And that page I linked to says that the email would indeed support IMAP.

Can you really provide reliable email service and 4 GB storage per user? And most users would be using POP or IMAP... so what tablet-oriented value would you be adding? Perhaps you could provide a unique tablet-oriented web interface to the mail, but you could do that and still use Gmail as the backend mail system.

I just don't see your reasoning when it comes to the opportunity to easily provide reliable email with substantial storage, all without any cost to yourselves.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

As I said before, there are many people that don't know how to get this stuff up and running, as evidenced by all the threads asking all the time. The idea is to give them an e-mail address and have it set up for them on the tablet with minimal knowledge necessary. E-mail wasn't the primary point of doing all of this anyways, IM was... but the idea is to offer several different services all together in one place for tablet users with a way of setting it all up on the tablets through a wizard with as little pain as possible. E-mail was just one of the other things on the list we could offer.

If Gmail makes you happy with 4GB and IMAP and everything else, great. You aren't the demographic I'm targetting anyways.

Also, not needing to trust yet another huge external company with stuff like e-mail when I can host it myself is more than worth it to me on a personal level regardless of how many gigabytes they throw at me.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I'm going to be keeping the various video streams that I've found that do not work on the tablets (everything from G4 so far) in my Video Center database. With OS2008 just around the corner, several of them might suddenly become useable thanks to the improved horsepower/codec support.

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

the only reason google offer you 12 gagillion gigs of space is because they know most people don't use it anyway. i don't imagine that jablet is going to end up consuming terabytes of email storage (any time soon :p) my imap mailbox is ~200mb - text is small

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I expect tablet-oriented email accounts to be especially small. However, that assumes users won't share accounts between tablet and PC/laptop. Then again, if you're downloading emails, that could get messy on the devices but at least clear up server space. Anyway, I don't expect it to be an issue and if it becomes one that just even more validates zero's vision... and if it's THAT popular one would hope the necessary funds manifested. :D

Re: Jabber/IMAP/???? services for Tablet Users - Would you use it?
 

I've gotten myself a virtual hosting account thanks to pixel's suggestion and also bought a domain at Dreamhost because the hosting account wanted a domain and they don't sell them. So why not try to complete the set of domains, then? I bought jablet.org... now to harass the owner of jablet.com. ;)

Anyways, I didn't have much time to work on it yet. I just got Openfire set up and running before I left for work today. Once I've got it set up to my satisfaction and stuff we'll look into moving hosting or whatever. It's not a huge rush or anything. Anyways, jay@jablet.org through Jabber if you need to get a hold of me.

(Looks like DNS propagated enough for my work computer, however not on the wifi connection I use at work. Oh well.)