Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

So far it works great. I have installed a few of the day-to-day apps I still use on the Palm, they work flawlessly. Including the Lufthansa flight planner. GVM has failed on me a couple of times, not when running applications but when launching them. There may be some memory leak issues or something, but no big deal as long as it doesn't crash while running apps. I've only run m68k apps so far, read that posting about armlets trouble.

I wonder if it's any use trying the calendar.. presumably it won't honour any alarms unless the GVM is fully up and running? As it takes over the N800 screen completely (I didn't find a way to switch to another application anyway) it's not very practical to keep it running..

But I'm a pretty happy camper so far!

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

The applications and games I've tried so far run great. I tried eReader and was surprised that even though the screen is small, I can read ebooks without any problems at all. Of course it would be better if the screen were larger on the emulator but I'm very happy with it so far.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

http://www.access-company.com/produc.../feedback.html

put this compatibility survey to use.
especially the section where it ask what would you like to see
in upcoming releases.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

So Palm gets new life. Who would have thought it would be like this?

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/palm/codenames.html

good link to try custom devices on the vm.

pick the app you want to run.
configure
device model = custom
and get the company ID and device ID from the link above.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

*AHEM*

*cough*

...

*cough*

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

The more things change the more they remain the same!
looking forward to having my card games and conversion programs running and have a decent handheld browser.
:)

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

OK... I don't have an N800 yet. I was an EARLY adopter of the Tapwave Zodiac and I'm still using it. Having two SD slots, gameability and 8GB of media on a device with 480x320 resolution has been great. With the PIM it enabled the device to be work and play. I've used it for about 50/50 work & play.

Before anyone goes nuts with, 'no you can't' about the 8GB on a Palm OS device, chill. I have it sitting in front of me with two 4GB SD (not SDHC) cards in it. Yes those exist too.

The ONLY thing that has held me back on buying an N800 is the fact that I have about a thousand or so contacts in my Palm OS address book. The N800's lack of a real PIM system is a deal killer.

So, would this emulation enable the N800 to finally be the PDA / game emulator / media player / internet tablet to replace my cherished Zodiac 2?

How long does it take and how many keystrokes/taps does it take to go from the N800 in standby mode to looking up contacts in the emulated PIM? Will the Palm Emulated databases sync in any way?

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

High five!

:D

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Wow. Just wow.

So much potential: downloading now!

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

thank you garnet = having just (this past summer) retired my 700p i now can "reinstall" my favorites on my 770 and soon new 810
thank you
thank you
thank you

i hated killing my treo but it just did not work as a phone

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Damn, still havne't gotten the email. Oh well, it's not like Palm's been quick with anything else in their history.....

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Access send that email from a host claiming a invalid DNS address - many mail servers will reject it or mark it as spam. Check your spam folder, or use some more spam-friendly mail server - gmail did accept that mail, while our corporate server does not.

Sevo

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

It's Access, not Palm.. anyway, it looks like some got the email in one second, others don't get one at all. Don't know why. Nothing in my gmail account, not even in the spam folder. I did use that link someone posted to download, but by then I had provided my name&mail address and all, so I should be ok with the EULA.. I think. :cool:

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Come on no one?

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Yes, the software seems nice and runs well, but why so much energy into making old palm apps run in an emulator window on the nseries?

I'd rather see that energy go into developing/porting great apps for maemo.

I just don't get it, I guess. If I wanted or needed my old palm apps, I would be using my palm.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Mine was in my email folder.

BTW, how does the old software you own work with the anti piracy stuff? I'll guess I'll find out.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Things I've installed have been running well, until now.. but here's some advice: Don't install anything that needs Mathlib.prc installed with it. The gvm launcher hangs, and nothing I did could fix that. Killed gvm and gvm-launcher from xterm. After that it would start, but would hang starting applications. De-installed the app. needing Mathlib, no help. I scratched my $HOME/.gvm directory, still no luck (it did start up with the EULA, just as a first start). Reboot, no good. Re-installed garnet-vm, no good. In the end I fixed it by doing all of the above: rm -rf /home/user/.gvm, dpkg --purge garnet-vm, re-installed it from AM, _and_ rebooted. That fixed it.

Morale: Stay away from Mathlib.prc (at least I think that was the culprit). I've reported my findings to the compatibility survey on Access' site.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

The Garnet VM generates its own sync ID - so all ID-locked software will be unregistered. That device-locked software will break on any new device as well is obvious.

Sevo

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Never could get to the actual download page... Access sent the email with a link but it just took me back to the registration page... after 4 email tries, still nothing.

go figure...

Omega

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

If you encounter problems on specific apps, please report them:
http://www.access-company.com/produc.../feedback.html

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

I use Yahoo Mail and finally found the link in my Bulk Mail.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Well that won't do. We need an option to insert your own sync ID so that registered software can be transferred.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

I used a Palm TX about 2 years ago it operated quite well as a PIM, I have this installed and running (used Gmail got link in seconds) looks good, I will try hotsyncing and report back. I wish it ran in full screen portrait mode with the +- buttons acting as a scroll dial/wheel and center as a click through, that would be great.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Then it's pretty much useless to me then.

I'll report it but theres another problem, using the alarms in calender, it wiped out all the programs I installed and the meetings I entered.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Reggie... if this was for me, thanks. But the problem is that I couldn't get to a page to actually download anything. The link provided from Access (and there were 4 email tries) always took me back to the registration page (which is the page where you register for a link to download).

If someone has a link to the actual download area, would be greatly appreciated. :p

Thanks,

Omega :cool:

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Some screenshots of working apps.
Games? Yep..
Google maps? Even that one..

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

If you need registered apps, it won't help that much, unless they are from a vendor who still exists and has the policy and ability to issue new keys free of charge in such a eventuality - which most vendors that use external shop systems can't.

Doesn't matter for me, the last Palm app I use (Strip, where a gazillion of old, rarely used software keys and web passwords reside, which I'd hate to transfer to another password manager) is freeware.

Mine got wiped over a sync attempt against Evolution. But as long as I only use strip, I can do without syncing, and will have a more stable solution than with my Clie SL-10, which loses its memory every time I have to replace the cells.

Sevo

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

My treo used to reset itself all the time and all my software keys would have to be re-entered. I used a backup program to backup the one file that would corrupt at every reset and after that it was almost painless.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

This happened to me, too, when I tried to "click" on the link in the N800's own email client. However, when I clicked on the same link on my notebook, it brought me to the EULA and download link. I then coped the .deb file onto my SD card and installed it from there. A bit of a roundabout way to go about it, I know.

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

That is a bug in the e-mail client. It misinterprets the & character as " instead, which causes the link to be wrong when clicked upon. Try replacing any "s with &s and also removing %3E at the end of the link as well.

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

I'm with you that I'm not enthousiatically jumping up and down about this, but for a different reason (I feel your OS/2 pain though, brother):

Why are we even wasting time on this? This is Palm Garnet, people. Stone age technology that nobody wants anymore.

Please don't try to convince me that giving up three quarters of my N800's screen is a good deal. Heck, I can't even use the N800's HWR on this thing. Graffiti?? WTF???

If we are going to incorporate Palm's software into the ITs, then this

http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/index.html

is a much more commendable effort, rough at the edges as it may be.

[OS/2 sidenote: Did we ever meet in cyberspace? On Usenet's cooa perchance? Wait... You're not Tim Martin, aren't you? Are you????]

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

I had the same problem, when I tried to install the n800 deb (the direct link that was posted some time ago) on my nokia 770. My be you should try the correct deb (same link but replace n800 by n770) - there are three different debs!

Re: Run 30,000 Palm OS apps on your Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Does anyone know which palm hardware this emulator most resembles? In some cases you need to get the software version for a particular palm hardware version for it to work best--just curious to know which hardware would match up to this best.

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

I'm in for just one thing - the palm calendar. It wipes the floor with anything available for N800. Now if only we could use the whole screen and have a handy way of launching directly to the calendar.

Seriously, I'm willing to bet good money on that the screen will be better utilised. After going through all this trouble of bringing the VM to Maemo, it would be crazy not to fix such an obvious issue. I'm thinking flipping it 90 degrees CCW and scaling up. That way you even have the 4way pointer pretty near where it is in Palm devices.

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

i'm with Karel on this one. Instead of asking "if only we could do such and such with an emulator" we should be asking "if only we had a native calendar app that wipes the floor with anything out there".

Seriously, wouldn't we prefer to have apps made for the device, rather than some bog-slow emulation of a 10 year old (or more) app?

My opinion, of course.

R.
==

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Yup. However it removes the requirement to maintain that piece of dying stone age hardware if you still need a few legacy apps that have no Linux or Maemo equivalent.

But using Garnet VM as a PIM is silly - the Palm PIM apps aren't particularily glorious, and even the third party improvements on them are somewhat bland once they lose the total system integration they had on the Palm. In terms of screen estate and PIM capabilities, the Palm was a setback compared to my HP 200LX.

Sevo

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

No, I'm Jeff Elkins :) I mainly sysoped at GEnie and for a while, CIS, then MSN.

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Of course. But right now, that's vaporware. What are you going to use _now_ that has the right feature set and ability to sync to a desktop?

A clunky VM is, IMO, a good thing. It's not as good as native apps by a long shot (not even as good as Win16 apps on OS/2 ... the problem there was that Win16 apps were good enough that you didn't _need_ an OS/2 version; here, the display limitations of how the VM displays palm apps might just be enough difference to keep that from happening) ... yet it gives access to legacy apps/data to get you through until the existence of a native app. It is middle ground. It is something you can use _now_.

IMO, it's not about whether or not Access should provide this VM, and whether or not we should use it. It's "how do we get the app vendors to see that they've now got a market opportunity". If they attract users to the app that runs under the VM, then they build a userbase which will both demand, and justify, making a native version.

So...

1) find palm versions of apps you wish you had on maemo
2) contact the vendor about running it on the garnet VM
3) start pressuring/lobbying them to make a native version


(oh, and, if Nokia starts to wonder if this is going to be another Win16/OS2 situation, they should attack it from the other side: use the same strategy to lure vendors to porting native apps to maemo, fill in the missing pieces like desktop sync'ing software, etc.)

Re: Garnet VM Beta for Nokia Internet Tablet
 

Datebk3/4/5 beat the GPE calendar. But the original? A calendar app incapable of handling events that go past midnight or happen in other time zones is not really the best example to model a better calendar on - and the phone book was even worse...

Sevo