Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Tex, if you set up a business account you can set up multiple logins. It only costs if you accept credit card payments.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Count me in! I'd contribute in cash or in kind because this the kind of work that makes the tablet truly functional! Now, the contacts tab is actually functional. With the addition of the sip phone, it is almost the complete package.;)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'm having a little trouble using the server, but my issues seem to be restricted to the yahoo transport. I get logged in ok, and my buddies propagate to the tablet, and i can receive messages from them, but they can't see anything i type to them. Anyone else seeing anything like that? or have a suggestion about where to look next?

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Send me a message on Jabber (jay@jablet.org) and we'll sort it out.

Actually, I think I am seeing this too.

Anybody sending me a message, please don't do it through Yahoo.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Well, I tried that and it got complicated.

Paypal is producing mixed signals. They say a customer can have 2 accounts, one personal and one business, but when I tried to set that up I could only see the option to upgrade my personal account to business. So I assumed my personal account goes poof, and I only have the business account. So much for 2 accounts.

So I tried creating a new one from scratch. Everything worked until I got to the bank account part. The paypal wizard let me create the new account and THEN informed me that I could not use the bank account I'd entered (same as my personal). So if this account stays active, I'd need another bank account.

Arg.

So perhaps I could establish another bank account, if I can find one with zero fees, but it would definitely need to be international, due to the multiple access need.

Told ya this was getting complicated...

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

My business account doesn't have a bank account associated to it, because I just use it to pay for my tektonic hosting. We have clients either put money straight into it, or I transfer the money in myself from my personal paypal account. It works so far, it just says the account is unverified.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I wish Paypal was better at communicating how to do that. Last night I was too tired to sleuth it out. Maybe later today.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'm starting the think the best thing would be for me to buy the beer when y'all come down to Austin!

In fact, since I am in the restaurant biz, I'll treat you to a meal if you make the trip! I can't mention the name of the restaurant here, of course, but it's a good one, I assure you...worth the trip!;)

I know, this may only be realistic for Texrat, but Zerojay, if you're ever down this way, you too are assured of a treat!:)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I know a few people in Austin... maybe they know what restaurant you're running.

I'd love to come down there and visit someday. Haven't been much further south than Nashville though. ;)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

So, I have a question that I'm guessing you guys would be able to answer. For years I've avoided Jabber to IM services simply for two reasons. One, the jabber server will now have my IM password for which ever services I use (yahoo, MSN, etc), and that its now in the position to sniff all of my traffic as well. Now I realize that when I'm sitting in a coffee shop on wifi said sniffing can occur. But it always bothered and greatly concerned me to have a jabber server in the middle like that. I've done security for a long time and never imagined inviting someone to be the 'man in the middle' attack.

I also realize that all of the major services probably keep logs of all the chats as well. But still, it just seems a bad idea to readily give up my passwords to something like this. Or am I missing the point?

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'd say you take IM far too seriously if you actually worry about stuff like that, but I can understand your concern.

Secondly, if you don't think there's already a "man in the middle" when you're connected to AIM, MSN, and others "directly", you're just fooling yourself... unless your packets take only one hop to reach their servers. If you're that worried about something like a man in the middle attack on an IM session, well, you'd better turn off your PC.

I can't offer you much else here except for my word, which is most likely worthless to you, but I'll give it to you anyways.

Yes, your IM passwords are stored on the server so that the gateways can connect you to your IM services. No, they are not stored in plain-text, but as an encrypted hash in a private MySQL database. As the admin, I can change the password you told the IM gateway to use to connect to your service, but I cannot retrieve the original unencrypted password. We offer encrypted connections to the Jabber server.

As far as sniffing your traffic is concerned, the Jabber server offers (as most others do) various levels of logging. Warning, errors and general info (so and so connected) are logged by default by the Jabber server. Another level, debug, is also available, which shows (as far as I know) all traffic being sent in and out of the Jabber server in plain text.

Yes, this includes any and all messages that happen to be flying by (and is the only logging level to do so).

Because of the huge volume of data that's generated by debug logging, it is off by default and remains off unless I need to figure out why something isn't working, during which times I turn it on for small bursts while I test (such as the possible Yahoo message problem we might currently be having). With 138 users, around a third of which are active at any given time, it's pretty much the only way I can do any debugging on our side. (I'm not going to totally shutter the service while I do that.)

I assure you, I'm really not interested in what you ate for dinner, what your mom thinks was the reason the Raiders lost on Monday night or if you think Bush is an ******* and I'm certainly not interested enough to sit there reading debug logs all day to find out. (And if you're sending anything more sensitive than that over IM, you might as well not worry about me intercepting anything because it's clear that you just don't care about what you're sending anyways.)

(In the interest of being open with you, the Jabber server that Jablet runs on is Openfire 3.4.1 with IM Gateway 1.2.0. Take a look at the code if you're interested.)

But, of course, I'm just another nameless faceless internet user that you don't know swearing to never do anything bad with your data. I don't blame you if you feel you can't trust me and that's fine. I can't promise you that your traffic could never be sniffed once it leaves my servers either. All I can give you is the choice to use it or not.

If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to ask me at any time, either here or by e-mail and I'll be happy to answer.

(And just so that I'm not quite as nameless and faceless, that's my face used as my profile picture here, and let's sign this with my real name too.)

- Jason Carter

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I use google talk quite a bit. I was browsing around in it today and noticed something interesting.

If you click on contacts, then pick a contact and edit it, you can specify (among other) MSN and Yahoo addresses for people to chat with.

I know gtalk is jabber-ish. Is this option new? I don't recall being able to do it before. The implication is that the n8x0 talk client should be able to connect to other services without using jablet.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'll bet they do! ;)
Then all I got to say, is, man, it's about time! Come on down! I know, it's a 'red' state, but there's a few of us here, esp in Austin, that have had the 'blues' for a while. Speaking of which, if you love music, the ATX is the place to be (see South by Southwest).

Anyway, I love the new service, thanks again!

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

GTalk *is* Jabber. It's possible that they're adding the gateways themselves, I don't know.

EDIT: You're talking about the PC Google Talk client, I assume.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I lived in a red state for five years, so visiting Texas wouldn't kill me (just the wallet). I'd love to come down, but the logistics don't look like they'll work themselves out anytime soon.

But if I'm ever in the area, you know I'll take you up on your offer. :)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

awesome job guys. absolutely fantastic, just set up my jabber account on the good ole 770 and imported my icq-contacts. everything worked perfectly fine.
if i would believe in god i would include you in my evening prayer. but i don´t (believe in god) so i just say THANKS A LOT!!

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'm talking about the web based client (being a long term linux guy)

EDIT: I checked the gtalk option when I got home. Turns out that the gmail/gtalk contacts editing screen allows you to add information about services for the contacts, but there is no actual gateway to connect them.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'm sitting here at my desk at work and right in the middle of an important work discussion said aloud "Eric Foreman is using my server."

They all probably think I'm nuts.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

We come down at least once every spring. Count on it. ;)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Xlnt! I will. I'll send you my email in a PM so you can let me know when you're coming.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Stranger things have happened:o

Xlnt! I would be honored.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

It's been working fabulously so far. Thanks!!

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Thank you zerojay & texrat for setting this up, and providing the step by step tutorial :) Greatly appreciated.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I'm curious if this supports MSN's custom emoticons. I know pidgin doesn't, so if jablet does, it'll definitely persuade me to use it (once I get an n800, anyway).

Jablet supports avatar/buddy icons, right? I did some searching and I believe OpenFire does, but I'd like confirmation anyway. =D

Thanks

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I don't believe the Jabber client for the tablets supports custom emoticons. It's not something that Jablet can fix either.

We do support custom avatars, however there appears to be a bug in the current code that doesn't pull down other people's avatars very often.

Also, we've started accepting donations, so those of you that asked about this earlier in the thread, just head on over to our homepage @ jablet.net and click the donate button.

Thanks for all the encouragement.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Jay!

Every time i connect to jablet.org using PSI i get a warning about some self-signed certificate. Is that a setting in the server or in PSI?

Ton.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

All I have is a self-signed certificate and it costs money to get a real signed certificate, and it's somewhat expensive. I believe there's a setting in PSI to allow you to ignore the error. (Sorry about being so late about responding. I saw your post on Jablet, but just didn't have time to respond at that point.)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Found the setting. Ignore SSL errors.

Thanks,

Ton.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

damn.. not working on the os2008 beta.. Can`t connect. It worked on os2007. Anyone else have problems using jabber with the built in one?

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Probably a setting you are missing. Send me a PM with your settings for the account and we'll look them over. (Don't forget to send those under Advanced as well.)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

So, I liked jablet's jabber server just fine ... but I don't know how much I'm going to use it.

What I was hoping for was a persistent point of presence. Like, I could run jabber on my tablet (for 2 different personalities) and leave it running when I get to my desktop ... which runs adium. It would have all of my chat accounts (2 AIM, 2 Yahoo, 2 MSN, 2 Google Talk), and if I was logged in to Adium it would be the preferred point for conversations, but if I wasn't, then it would just go to my tablet.

That all in fact works. What doesn't work is that some of the finer details bug me:

1) when talking to someone who is on a cell phone IM client instead of a regular one, Adium without jabber shows them as "on via a wireless client". Adium with jabber just shows them as "on". I don't like losing that bit of information.

2) when sending them IM's from Adium, via jabber, my messages come from "johnkzin@aim.jablet.org" instead of just "johnkzin". I would prefer this to be transparent to my correspondents. They shouldn't know if I'm directly using AIM, or using AIM via a jabber gateway.

3) the icons on the tablet, for presence, kind of annoy me. "Red" means to me "online, but away", not "offline". Instead, "offline but away" is shown as yellow. If it were up to me, the "offline" icon would be dark grey (showing your own status as invisible would be light grey). The "away" icon would be a red dot. Yellow would be idle. Green would be not-idle (as it is now).

These aren't jablet's fault, of course. #1 and #2 are either Adium's fault, or the fault of jabber gateways in general. #3 is a Maemo issue. But, it causes the experience to not quite sit well with me. Not sure how I'll proceed with this for now.

Though, I do appreciate all of the work that went into this.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

The problem with this is that there is no coresponding Jabber status for "mobile". There's no real way for the clients to realize that person is mobile. Some attempt to cheat and change the name of the person to add (mobile) after, but that's not really a clean solution.

I personally don't care if they're mobile or not.

That should not happen because it *IS* transparent. It's quite possible that it still shows up as @aim.jablet.org on YOUR end (which is what it should be doing) but there's no way it should show up like that to your contacts. In my ten years of using Jabber, I've never even once seen this happen, so I'm going to guess it's either a) Adium screwing something up majorly or b) you're mistaking seeing it with @aim.jablet.org as meaning that your contact sees it too.

I've never once seen a client that uses red for away instead of disconnected. Pretty much everything I've seen shows red as being disconnected and it's also more or less the standard everywhere.

Only option I can give you there is to hack the icons (which is entirely possible) to show you the colors you'd like.

Thanks, I appreciate that. You've given me a newfound disrespect for Adium though. :)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Adium, Fire, iChat, and I think AIM for Mac all use red for away. Not sure about Yahoo for Mac.

Adium, Fire, and iChat also used a dull grey (both the status icon, and the contact name) for disconnected. (and, again, I'm pretty sure that's what Yahoo uses; AIM does something kind of different)

That's pretty much the model I'm used to.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

As for mobile: I agree that I wouldn't want it to show up in their name, but I do like to know when they're mobile or not. It changes bits of the conversation usually (how frequently I expect their replies, how verbose I expect their replies to be, and how verbose I try to be with my messages to them). It can spell the difference between "They're on the road and can't be wordy" and "you seem upset because you're being really 'short' with me". If I have the information available to me, I don't have to guess.

As for @aim.jablet.org: It could be Adium. I basically was talking to myself in Adium, from one window to another. Usually Adium is rather good about having this represented accurately. I suppose I could use Adium for one side of the conv, and pick something else to host the other side of the conversation, and see how that comes through.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

I just tested it with multiple clients and accounts on different computers. It hasn't yet shown anything but the AIM name. I think it's because you're just trying to be too clever with Adium. :)

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Mine is like that too.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

In which respect?

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

It shows the whole <name>@aim.jablet.org

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

It shows you that locally, which is normal, but when it's sent out to other users, they don't see @aim.jablet.org. In fact, I'm pretty sure AIM doesn't even support the @ symbol in their screen names.

If you want, send me a message and we'll see how it comes up.

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 

Yeah, it only says the locally. It doesn't say that when I'm sending messages.