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zerojay 2007-11-30 02:43

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
That's expected behaviour for a Jabber client.

4 o u r 5 i v e 2007-11-30 03:01

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
thats very cool

GeneralAntilles 2007-11-30 03:17

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 102288)
Thanks, I appreciate that. You've given me a newfound disrespect for Adium though. :)

Pfft. Don't let that misguide you. Adium is an excellent client. ;)

mattsqz 2007-12-07 17:47

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
signup page appears to be down?

zerojay 2007-12-07 18:34

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsqz (Post 105678)
signup page appears to be down?

I'm looking into it. Probably just an option that was reset somewhere when I did the server upgrade last night.

EDIT: Signup page appears to be working just fine.

BlueSky 2007-12-07 18:56

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
How about Meebo?
http://wwwl.meebo.com/mobile/index-en.html#FrontPage
(seems to work reasonably well)

zerojay 2007-12-07 20:16

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Yep, you can use Meebo, but you've got the extra overhead of flash (if Meebo works at all on the tablets to begin with) and also you lose the integration into the tablet's contacts.

BlueSky 2007-12-07 20:20

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
The mobile / iPhone version (linked above) is pretty light and works well.

Celtsune 2007-12-07 20:52

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Which jabber clients do you guys prefer?

johnkzin 2007-12-07 21:13

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Adium, Pidgin, and the one built into Maemo.

zerojay 2007-12-07 21:50

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I use KDE's Kopete.

Celtsune 2007-12-07 22:06

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
i was refering to on maemo. the built in chat seems to be rather awkward.

Traecer 2007-12-07 22:33

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 102350)
Pfft. Don't let that misguide you. Adium is an excellent client. ;)

Well, I agree with you, but if he doesn't like Pidgin, I don't see how Adium is better, since they're both based on libpurple.

oblend 2007-12-27 04:33

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I'm hoping somebody can help me here. I've been trying to add my IM accounts using the service discovery in Psi on winXP and ubuntu. When I type in jablet.org in the address (or anything else for that matter) it searches for a few seconds, stops, and then nothing shows up. Does anybody know what I might be doing wrong?

*EDIT: Also, I tried to go to the tutorials posted on the first page but it said that the forums are down.

zerojay 2007-12-28 14:31

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
The server is up. Send me a PM with your account info and I can add your accounts manually.

oblend 2007-12-28 16:38

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I just got it working myself. Thanks for the help though. I was trying to use a different jabber account which doesn't work apparently. When I tried a jablet account all worked well. Thanks :)

johnkzin 2007-12-29 20:20

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I'm having trouble getting in today too.. the web page is non-responsive, the jabber server is not responsive.

GeneralAntilles 2007-12-29 20:23

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 117430)
I'm having trouble getting in today too.. the web page is non-responsive, the jabber server is not responsive.

Working fine over here on both counts. Perhaps a local issue?

johnkzin 2007-12-29 20:27

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I'm able to get to just about everything else on the internet that I can think of... including the same IM services that I otherwise connect to via jablet.

zerojay 2007-12-29 22:23

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
It has to be an issue on your end. Both the webpage and the Jabber server are hosted on separate servers. The Jabber server is working perfectly fine.

EDIT: I will be updating Openfire to v3.4.3 once I get back from vacation on the 1st of January.

jackass124 2007-12-29 23:03

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
hey Zerojay, your tutorial and forum are down! comin back up at any point soon?
Thanx!

violent ken 2007-12-30 01:06

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
new guy here new n800

i did successfully register at jablet but the forum is down and i have no idea how to set this up on the tablet.

blackoper 2007-12-30 11:03

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I've managed to set up aim, msn, sip and jablet correctly with Zerojays server. What questions do you have and I'll see about answering them? I havn't seen his howto I just pretty much hacked my way through things.

zerojay 2007-12-30 14:46

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I will be putting it back up once I can find a way to kill the spam bots. Argh. If you need help in the meantime, send me a message.

EDIT: I put the forum back up.

SethCohn 2007-12-30 17:29

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Why would you want to use jablet, when installing RTcomm allows you AIM/ICQ/Yahoo/etc all direct from the IT?

I would much rather install a bit of software on the IT, and connect direct to these services, than to use jablet and have a single point of failure.

Am I missing something? RTcomm works great for me, and uses the built in IM ability.

zerojay 2007-12-30 17:46

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Yeah, you must be missing a lot, Seth... RTCOMM does not allow direct connecting to those services whatsoever.

EDIT: Actually, it's *ME* that's missing a lot. RTCOMM just released an update that allows you to basically use libpurple to directly connect to the services... basically rendering Jablet moot once it goes final.

I'll try it out in a bit.

This was something that I heard was being ported a few weeks ago. Kind of surprised to see it in an RTCOMM update. Happy to see it built-in.

Seth, Jablet was kind of meant as a stop-gap measure until an official solution was completed, which we all doubted would happen anytime soon... thanks for bringing it to my attention.

johnkzin 2007-12-30 22:00

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
So, RTCOMM:

a) is from Nokia,
b) uses the Maemo Contacts application, and
c) directly supports AIM, Yahoo, and MSN?

I wouldn't say jablet becomes moot at that point, as connecting via jabber means you can seamlessly move between devices (home desktop to NIT to work desktop) without dropping a conversation. When it works. But it does make jablet a little less unique.

After not being able to connect yesterday, I waited a bit, and everything went back to normal (I think it was an intermediate network hop that was the problem, but I don't know). Then my problem was different:

1) AIM reported me as "available" even if I set my N810 to "away" -- my other services (Yahoo and MSN) all reported my disposition correctly, so I don't think it was the N810.

2) If I set myself to invisible, jablet told my services I was away, instead. (I have a nagging itch in my brain that says this one was a known problem, though)

3) I was having trouble just having conversations with some people via AIM ... messages would just not show up, in either direction. I made sure I was signed off from all other locations/clients, in case things were being misrouted ... but no luck. I would open a dialog, and no messages would go through. Yet, if I talked to them via TXT, we were both sending and not receiving.


Not sure how much of that is jabber, jablet, the aim gateway, or aim...

johnkzin 2007-12-31 03:52

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Hm. RTCOMM contains packages that conflict with packages intalled from another source (probably pidgin for maemo). Guess I can't install it for now.

jackass124 2007-12-31 04:21

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Hey Sethcohn can u please give a brief tutorial on getting MSN/Yahoo/AIM etc all going using RTCOMM??

Would be much appreciated!
Thanx!

zerojay 2007-12-31 05:24

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
I would not suggest installing RTCOMM unless you are an experienced user. It breaks functionality of the Application Manager and not all features are implemented yet (such as adding new friends). When it is installed, it is very simple to use. You just have to go to your accounts portion of the Control Panel and create a new account. You will see the various account types have grown quite a bit. Not all work correctly yet, apparently. Yahoo does not appear to work as far as I can see (or it can be the same issue I have on Jablet with really old accounts made back when everything was case-sensitive).

Jablet is not going away.

John: Sometimes AIM ignores status requests. This is a problem even in the official client, just that the average user never notices it. I believe that the IM Gateway may not support invisible mode, but do not quote me on that. I have also had the problem with messages not showing up on AIM, however it was extremely rarely and showed up when I was directly connecting to AIM through Kopete, so it might be a server or protocol issue. If it keeps being an issue, let me know and I will push it towards the IM gateway guys.

madar 2007-12-31 08:10

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Set up an account on jablet this evening but cannot seem to connect using psi, thought it was me so I created a different account still no go. Any settings I should know about for psi prior to trying to connect?

AbelMN 2007-12-31 10:49

Re: [How-To] AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 96919)
Something that I've noticed a lot of people having trouble with or just not knowing about is that you don't need to have Pidgin installed on your tablet to use AIM/MSN and other IM services. You can have all of that on your tablet by using the Jabber/Google Talk client.
.......No such problems happen on Jablet. All your AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc contacts are pulled down to your tablet without having to manually readd each of them.

OK, Thanks, But what about Privacy ? I would prefere not to have my discussions logged on a private server without privacy guarantees. Or am I just to suspicious ?

Abel.

SethCohn 2007-12-31 13:07

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 118207)
I would not suggest installing RTCOMM unless you are an experienced user.

It's a beta, so that's always true - despite Web 2.0's insistance on everything being a live beta.

Quote:

Yahoo does not appear to work as far as I can see (or it can be the same issue I have on Jablet with really old accounts made back when everything was case-sensitive).
File a bug, because Yahoo works for me, so you're likely right about the issue.

SethCohn 2007-12-31 13:14

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackass124 (Post 118176)
Hey Sethcohn can u please give a brief tutorial on getting MSN/Yahoo/AIM etc all going using RTCOMM??

Would be much appreciated!
Thanx!

See
http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/

Basically, you take the red pill, install a beta installer, run it, and it'll update things.
Once it's installed, you just add accounts via the standard Maemo Account setup, you just have more choices to choose from, including MSN/Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/IRC/etc

For SIP to work, you might need to do this:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...6&postcount=15

zerojay 2007-12-31 14:15

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SethCohn (Post 118321)
File a bug, because Yahoo works for me, so you're likely right about the issue.

The guys working on IM Gateway already know about it and are working on it.

zerojay 2007-12-31 14:16

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by madar (Post 118249)
Set up an account on jablet this evening but cannot seem to connect using psi, thought it was me so I created a different account still no go. Any settings I should know about for psi prior to trying to connect?

Send me your settings via PM.

zerojay 2007-12-31 14:21

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Abel, here is my response to someone else who had similar concerns earlier in the thread. Keep in mind that at the time, we had 130-something users. We are now at over 400, which makes it even more completely insane for any sort of debug logging to take place when the log file grows by something like 2MB per second. (Also, we are on Openfire 3.4.2 now, soon 3.4.3 and IM Gateway 1.2.1a.) Anyways, read on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 98366)
I'd say you take IM far too seriously if you actually worry about stuff like that, but I can understand your concern.

Secondly, if you don't think there's already a "man in the middle" when you're connected to AIM, MSN, and others "directly", you're just fooling yourself... unless your packets take only one hop to reach their servers. If you're that worried about something like a man in the middle attack on an IM session, well, you'd better turn off your PC.

I can't offer you much else here except for my word, which is most likely worthless to you, but I'll give it to you anyways.

Yes, your IM passwords are stored on the server so that the gateways can connect you to your IM services. No, they are not stored in plain-text, but as an encrypted hash in a private MySQL database. As the admin, I can change the password you told the IM gateway to use to connect to your service, but I cannot retrieve the original unencrypted password. We offer encrypted connections to the Jabber server.

As far as sniffing your traffic is concerned, the Jabber server offers (as most others do) various levels of logging. Warning, errors and general info (so and so connected) are logged by default by the Jabber server. Another level, debug, is also available, which shows (as far as I know) all traffic being sent in and out of the Jabber server in plain text.

Yes, this includes any and all messages that happen to be flying by (and is the only logging level to do so).

Because of the huge volume of data that's generated by debug logging, it is off by default and remains off unless I need to figure out why something isn't working, during which times I turn it on for small bursts while I test (such as the possible Yahoo message problem we might currently be having). With 138 users, around a third of which are active at any given time, it's pretty much the only way I can do any debugging on our side. (I'm not going to totally shutter the service while I do that.)

I assure you, I'm really not interested in what you ate for dinner, what your mom thinks was the reason the Raiders lost on Monday night or if you think Bush is an ******* and I'm certainly not interested enough to sit there reading debug logs all day to find out. (And if you're sending anything more sensitive than that over IM, you might as well not worry about me intercepting anything because it's clear that you just don't care about what you're sending anyways.)

(In the interest of being open with you, the Jabber server that Jablet runs on is Openfire 3.4.1 with IM Gateway 1.2.0. Take a look at the code if you're interested.)

But, of course, I'm just another nameless faceless internet user that you don't know swearing to never do anything bad with your data. I don't blame you if you feel you can't trust me and that's fine. I can't promise you that your traffic could never be sniffed once it leaves my servers either. All I can give you is the choice to use it or not.

If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to ask me at any time, either here or by e-mail and I'll be happy to answer.

(And just so that I'm not quite as nameless and faceless, that's my face used as my profile picture here, and let's sign this with my real name too.)

- Jason Carter

Hope this helps.

RipTorn 2008-01-01 05:03

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by madar (Post 118249)
Set up an account on jablet this evening but cannot seem to connect using psi, thought it was me so I created a different account still no go. Any settings I should know about for psi prior to trying to connect?

I've got the same issue, mine was working perfect for ages, now has just stoped. Nothing has been changed, it doesn't even say can't connect to account, just... nothing...

its like the server is responding but just timing out.

cheers :) I do love how jablet has made IM that much easier for me.

-Rip

zerojay 2008-01-01 06:28

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
If you can send me a debug log or something, it would help a lot. I can't reproduce the problem on my end at all.

madar 2008-01-01 07:11

Re: AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc.. without needing to install Pidgin
 
Hello Zerojay,

Happy to provide debug if I knew how, I have run psi from the command line and never get anything past typing psi and waiting while it spins as output. Doesn't appear to be a flag for verbose or debug, I'm guessing I would have to compile psi with debug options? Any advice is appreciated would love to get this running using the jablet server you guys set up rather than hunting down a different jabber server or running one at home. Thanks in advance, and happy new year!


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