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callanish 2008-01-13 00:41

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Received my N810 earlier in the week and have had a bit of quality time to use it and set it up the way I want, so here's a couple of observations for anyone that's just purchased or would like another opinion.

First thing I did was create a virtual memory space of 128MB. In my case, bad idea. Must be that My Kingston 4GB is too slow because it slowed down my browser speed. Speaking of browser speed, I couldn't figure out why web pages were rendering so slow because I've got a fast enough wi-fi connection. Turns out the fit width to view setting was the reason. After unchecking that, I'm pretty happy with the browser speed considering the battery life I'm getting and that's with the unit always on standby ( Getting used to not having to turn it off ). 10 days on standby......yikes!!

For those that love reading, I think FBreader with page layout in book form on the Nokia has been brilliant for me. Used Convert Doc and doc reader to turn all my pdf/html/txt files into pdb books which were all perfectly organized and readable in FBreader and the multifunction buttons on the Nokia for next and back page works great for book reading ( coming from a handspring treo, this is a revelation in itself ).

I also found Allok's Ipod (forgive me) to video converter perfect for all my video conversions creating stuttering free motion on the N810 and the ability to boost the volume of the files helps which is an area I think the Nokia is lacking ( using creative ep630 buds ); it doesn't go loud enough.

As for the overall experience, I really can't complain. I know it was pretty pricey, but for all this technology in a compact package, solidly built and pretty user friendly, I'd say it's a winner.

My beefs are minor....Like I said before, would like more volume out of the speakers and the headphone jack. Would have liked the e-mail program to work right out of the box, but crashed on a imap account and couldn't get it to start again without an error showing up. Tried Claws, but also had error problems. Modest beta solved all my problems. Wish I could arrange Bookmarks in the browser exactly as I want them laid out ( not just dragging and dropping). Wish I could arrange the program layout on the menu exactly how I want it. Wish the browsing was just a bit faster, but I know it's a tradeoff between portability and battery life. Would like finger scrolling in webpages to be more user friendly like the Ipod touch / phone, but that could be a possibility with a future software upgrade and last but not least, since I'm a windows user and linux is like a foreign language to me ( no fault of linux, but requires a bit of education ); I wish the installation of software was a little bit easier as I've tried to install some software then hit a brick wall. Still trying to get Quake 1 on the Nokia as well as Quake's 2 expansion packs installed. Need to try to follow directions more closely.

So, that's it. If you are thinking about purchasing the Nokia N810 and are willing to deal with a few quirps and a little bit of learning especially if you are a new linux user, then I think you'll be happy with the N810. The size of it blew me away and the thought of future software development makes me drool at the possibilities.

Angelodp 2008-01-13 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heron61 (Post 126337)
I completely agree. I'm holding out on buying one until either the software improves or someone comes out with something with equivalent hardware and good PIM, word processing, media playing and web browsing software. The n810 only has the last 2, and that's simply insufficient. I love what I've seen of the hardware, but I also have absolutely no interest in becoming a linux expert just to use a device. If it were possible to reflash it to Windows Mobile 6 or if the Palm emulator could be made full screen, I'd get one in a heartbeat.

My friend, I have owned 4 HP handheld devices. I have nothing against MicroSoft. But believe me, once you have used the n810 you will view the various Windows Mobile platforms as what they are -- amateurish, clunky, and dysfunctional. I have now owned my device for two days, and I like it more every time I turn it on. The Garnet emulator is fabulous. I was able to get a grandmaster-strength chess program on the thing and it works like a charm. I'm also investigating various alternatives for office productivity.

To answer a previous poster as to why Nokia (or anyone else) might consider developing software for this device: First of all they do not necessarily need to give it away. I would pay for something that gave me MS word compatibility, as I think many owners would. Second, even if they have to give it away, they'd sell tens of thousands more of these devices.

The n810 is SO close to being a fully functional every-day portable computer. In my opinion, a device like this could be a paradigm-changer. For example, I just downloaded a Linux distro and intend to install it on one of my computers. Who knows where that will lead?

here.david 2008-01-15 20:45

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Country: USA
Purchased From: Dell
Purchase/Arrival Date: 12/7/07/1/14/08

Likes: :)

Display is awesome hard to think it would be better than my N770, Keyboard -if it was a little more functional would be as great as the display, Most functions are faster such as transferring files and when I ssh into it, it really moves

Dislikes: :(

Camera is poor - very grainy, GPS (tomtom on my N82 shines as well as mobile Gmaps), Web still w-a-y to s-l-o-w, no video conference, internal 2GB memory, costs

Favorite Apps:

canola
gizmo
load-applet
Midnight Commander
openssh
skype
Google-mail-cal-grandcentral


Overall I am more than happy with the 810. It feels way snappier than my 770 (2007HE). As a Video/Music/e-mail/Linux, device the best, everything else is a work-in-progess.

bblackmoor 2008-01-21 23:39

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Country: USA
Purchased from (and returned to): Buy.com
Arrival date: 2008-01-16
Likes: The web browser; the hardware as a whole
Dislikes: Pretty much everything else.

I was very excited to get my hands on a n810. I have been virtually drooling over them since I first read about them last autumn, and mine finally arrived last week.

Unfortunately, not only does it not do what I have using my Palm for for the better part of a decade, it also does not do what I would want a Linux handheld to do.

No desktop sync, no decent PIM apps, and the Garnet VM is, shall we say, not a replacement for a real Palm (not even close). So it won’t replace my Palm T5.

Meanwhile, I can’t install or compile the vast majority of Linux applications, including Shadow Plan, OpenOffice, and a host of others. So it won’t take the place of a laptop, even for such a basic task as working on a report while riding the train to work.

What it does do very well is surf the web. If you happen to be standing near a WiFi hotspot. Whee.

I am returning mine. Maybe some day there will be a Linux handheld that can replace my Palm T5, but the Nokia n810 is not it.

What I do not understand is why this is so difficult to accomplish. PIMs are not new. Desktop sync is not new. Palm has been doing it for years. We have better hardware, faster processors, higher-resolution screens, better batteries, more memory than anyone has ever had before. So what’s the obstacle? Where is the Linux based Palm-killer? Not even “killer” — merely “replacement”. Where is it? Where?

So I am sending the Nokia n810 back, and contemplating ordering a Palm TX. The TX would have a slightly faster Internet connection than my T5 (when I am near a hotspot), and thus would be able to *more* than replace the Nokia n810, which costs almost twice as much as the TX.

bblackmoor 2008-01-21 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmy (Post 126198)
In other words, for me it's a Palm with laptop capabilities, for them it's a laptop that goes in their pocket.

Sadly, it is neither one.

lemmy 2008-01-22 00:32

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I agree with everything you say but am just selling my TX in favour of the N810.It's true that the Palm does things the 810 doesn't but it's also true vice-versa. I've just eBayed a refrigerator and ordered a couple of books from Amazon during the ads on TV. On the 810, no sweat. No fun and next to impossible on the TX. OTOH, you have to kludge things a bit to get the PIM functions on the 810.
At the moment, software development for the Nokia is left to enthusiasts - more power to them - but I think that entrepreneurs will soon offer wares as well. Witness Wayfinder.
The bottom line for me is that Linux and the IT have a future and the Palm doesn't.
I've just tapped this out on my 810 while it plays blues web internet radio to me and picks up email from a mate working in the US. That's why I bought it.
You pay your money and make your choice but to criticize Palm for not being Nokia or Nokia for not being Palm is like criticizing a BMW for not being a Mercedes.
Given your needs, Blackmoor, I'd buy a TX, That's OK isn't it?

Texrat 2008-01-22 00:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bblackmoor (Post 131711)
What it does do very well is surf the web. If you happen to be standing near a WiFi hotspot.

Or, as many of us know, if you're tethered to a bluetooth phone and have a data plan. Not uncommon these days.

It's unfortunate you were disappointed with the N810... but it isn't advertised as a Palm substitute, and the lack of PIM features are well covered by reviewers and posters here. That should not have been a surprise.

morrison 2008-01-22 07:50

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bblackmoor (Post 131711)
...even for such a basic task as working on a report while riding the train to work.

lol!! That's not what the 810 was designed for. If you need to work on your reports on the way to work, you should ask your employer to buy you a laptop. Why would you even use a device you spent you own $$ on for your work.

fpp 2008-01-22 21:59

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All in all a nice device. Good looking, and the size reduction, albeit modest (compared to 770, not N800) still makes a big difference in pocketability. Nice screen, and OS2008 is shiny-shiny.

The full-screen and zoom buttons are back to sanity at last, after the sorry N800 episode : well separated, logically placed and accessible. Thank heavens. I was initially dubious about the "lock" button, but find myself getting used to it, and liking it.

The jury is still out on the keyboard, not enough practice. Feels very stiff, but with convenient layout (especially for deranged languages like French). D-pad is awkward. Guess I'll get used to it too.

As everybody else mentioned, not having the d-pad at the side of the screen (or at least some sort of vertical scrolling device) is a real regression. Also, needing the menu in a full-screen app means pulling out the slider, or else de-zoom, click menu, then re-zoom...

Now the real bummer : the "designer" who decided (on top of relocating the Menu button) to swap the positions of the Home and Escape buttons, should definitely be shot. This silly move means that long-time users of the 770 and/or N800 will tend to short-press or long-press the lower one (previously Home) to switch apps or reach the home screen - and actually go back one page in the browser, or close it altogether. And vice versa, of course. Not to mention they're so stiff as to be unusable. And there was much rejoicing... let that evil subgenius never cross my path ! (have I mentioned that I'm of the "hardware-key" sort ? :-)

There have been (unverified) rumours that cables with the new USB plug have been sighted just inside the orbit of Saturn, incoming. They probably will be widely available just before the N900 ships this Christmas, introducing the (presently draft) USB "nano" standard. There are also those who prophetize that there will be two sorts of cables that plug into that "micro" port, looking the same but with different results. Not safe for use in nuclear facilities, of course.

Lastly : miniSD - 'nuff said. I've seen el-cheapo, China-made toddler toys with a better build than that silly trap door that you can never fully open nor close (mine insists on sticking out a fraction of a millimeter whatever I do, snagging the stand every time I fold it back...).

Okay folks... I'm sure you can find more "creative ideas" to balance the actual innovations in the next model, irritate us and make us buy the one after that... so bring on stages 4 and 5, we're ready !!

Oh, and don't forget OS2008HE for good old 770, huh ? :-)

mwiktowy 2008-01-24 08:27

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I have had my N810 for a few days now. I had OS2008 installed on my N800 and like it very much but it is nearly identical on the N810 so that is not where the differences are. Here are my first impressions of the differences from the N800:

Keyboard: It is fairly comfortable. I found that using the stand as a gripping aid made it moreso. I did turn on the on screen keyboard though since sometimes that is still handier.

GPS: I had heard of the complaints regarding the slowness of GPS lock before I got the N810. I also had an external BT GPS for my N800. My opinion is that the N810 is adequate as it will connect (eventually) while sitting in the console of my vehicle. It is much slower to get a fix than my iBlue external GPS. This is partially because it is slower and also you have limited ability to position the antenna closer to the window.

Internal Fixed 2G Flash Drive: I vastly prefer the option to replace that internal card that the N800 offered. I got bitten by the memory card corruption bug. It did get cleared up with a reformatting of the memory but had there been a more serious problem, it would have been a much bigger deal to troubleshoot and repair. I can understand the need of having a more permanent storage space though and might lead to it official use as program installation space which would really open up possibilities.

USB OTG: I am excited about the ability of the N810 to auto-sense whether it should be a host or a client based on the type of OTG cable end plugged into it. I haven't had the opportunity to try it out yet though. Since this seems like a rather young standard, I am having a heck of a time sourcing some off the shelf components for doing so. I think I have found something but I will report back once I get my hands on them. Otherwise, it is cable hacking and soldering for me ... which I would like to avoid since my soldering skills are ... ummm ... nominal.

Stylus: I liked the fatter one from the N800 more. They seemed to go back to the very thin style of the 770.

Camera: The swivel ability of the N800 was pretty handy but it always seemed a bit flimsy to me. The new fix camera certainly decreases the convenience of taking pictures with the tablet but it does seem more mechanically robust. Maybe I will make a little clip-on periscope :]

Audio: The N800 had much better sound without a doubt. The bass response on the N810 is very much diminished ... even when setting it down on a surface. I did discover the the sound was a whole lot better when listened to from behind the unit while it was propped up on its stand. When listened to this way, there is not a huge difference between the two.

Back cover: The back cover of the N810 doesn't rattle like the N800's does. The battery is also not a chore to pry out of the back like the N800's was.

Buttons: The top edge buttons are much more functional now. It is great that Nokia reverted back to the 770 style buttons as it makes for way less stray button presses. Not so thrilled about losing the D-pad on the front face without opening the keyboard. The new D-pad is nice though. I guess I would choose the slight inconvenience and occasional UI issues of the hidden D-pad over a larger unit. The look and feel of the two front face buttons is not all that great. I am still trying to determine if my unit was manufactured incorrectly as the right-most edge of the buttons seem to be trapped under the front surface of the tablet. Since those buttons seem to work properly it is probably by design but it makes those buttons look and feel very weird.

Light sensor: A very good idea in theory. In practice, it has a few flaws. The positioning on the sensor is right where I seem to always want to rest my thumb ... making things go rather dim until I realize why and move it to a more awkward place. It is also slow to react. It takes a few seconds to take a new reading and readjust the brightness. A small complaint though.

Screen: The screen colour and texture looks very much the same as the N800. The touchscreen in quite responsive ... maybe even too much so sometimes but I am not going to complain about that. The brightness is fantastic. Also the trans-reflective nature of it makes the N810 much more useful in broad daylight than the N800. The N800 was pretty much useless in direct sun unless you made a little dark cave for it with your arm in order to find the brightness applet ... and people would look at you funny ... and even then it was a challenge to use without finding some shade. Definitely a huge improvement.

FMRadio: I didn't use it much as I found that having to have the headphones plugged in to use it was inconvenient so I don't miss it. Early reports of the N810 indicated that there would be an FM transmitter included but those seemed to go away and there is nothing indicating that it made it into the final hardware. It would be nice if it was in there though and show up as an easter egg like the N800's radio did. Doubtful.

Some repetition of the comments of others but that is the summary of all of my first impressions. Sorry for the post length.

mwiktowy 2008-01-24 09:44

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bblackmoor (Post 131711)
What I do not understand is why this is so difficult to accomplish. PIMs are not new. Desktop sync is not new.

What exactly do you mean when you say Desktop Sync and PIM? I just get the impression that those words mean very different things to different people and would like to know what you are lacking with the current tablet.

For me Desktop Sync was needed for PDAs that had volatile memory that didn't hold its state when the battery died. It made a backup of the entire memory that you could restore once you recharged it. Other people talk about Desktop Sync as syncing specific databases for specific applications. For that, you would have to indicate what applications you are missing being synced up.

There are PIM apps (all the GPE ones for starters) that are OK for the most part. They certainly could use some improvement but they are adequate for simple needs. GPE Calendar can be synced up with Google Calendar using Erminig and from there synced up with pretty much anything. There really isn't a great standard for keeping an online repository of contacts. The internal contact app has both an import and export (into a surprising number of different formats) functionality but fields limited to VoIP related stuff. The Openhand Contacts app works with the same database and allows you to add any number of other field types and I have found that rtcomm doesn't go into conniptions when you add stuff to the contacts it uses ... still experimenting with that to see how far the export goes when you do so though.

How does the current PIM situation fall flat for you?

mwiktowy 2008-01-24 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonshine (Post 108420)
The same would go for Gmail via the web vs. setting it up as a POP or IMAP account for Claws or Modest mail.

The "Web" route isn't always the best route! :D

The way I have dealt with this is to avoid the AJAX interface to GMail and just use the HTML interface for good startup performance and the Mobile interface for screaming fast and efficient performance. For reference, my bookmarks for those are:

https://mail.google.com/mail/h/

and

https://mail.google.com/mail/x/

You can use just http:// at the beginning if you want even better performance but initially accessing GMail with a https:// causes the secure connection not to be dropped after authenticating. Therefore, your email will not be transmitted in plain-text over a wireless connection at a public access point. Not super important since email gets transmitted in plain-text between mail servers but a small thing that I like to do.

/Mike

mmcnamee 2008-01-24 12:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kingka (Post 101153)
just came in the mail!!!!!

its alot faster than I imagined.. wow.. feels solid. battery rattles slightly.. but overall really impressed.. now.. how do I change the background image. I'm in love. cant wait to play around with it some more and bust it out when I'm with my friends.. damn. this is awesome... yoo when is this canola player going to be ready? does UKMP work alright? cant wait to add msn!

I've noticed several people mentioning the battery rattling around. It was annoying me too! Here's a fix..

1) Open the battery cover
2) Take a roll of Electrical Insulation Tape and cut 1 small (15mm) long pieces
3) Stick one on the left and one on the right top corners of the battery, so that about 10mm is on the battery, and about 5mm is on the smooth plastic of the inside of the N810
4) Replace battery cover

Job's done, no more rattling!! :-)

Hope that helps..

Mark

slha89 2008-01-26 09:20

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
like:
- display
- linux
- design

dislike:
- keyboard: displaced because of pad
- keyboard is flat, so you type very often 2 keys at once (keyboard from a Nokia E61 is A LOT better!)
- pad should be next to the display, so I don't need to slide the keyboard if I only need the pad
- metal is slippery and vulnerable to scratches (a rubbery backside would help a lot and didn't hurt the finish, have a look at HTC touch)
- slide out mechanism feels a bit waggly
- long gps searching
- cam - why do we need cams if every 2nd company forbid cams?
- low video playing capabilities - even an aged iPaq 2200 can play MPEG2/MJPEG from digicams if it's cached - without converting!
- where are the (virtual) function keys (F1 - F12)? I can't close mc or use a console app which use functions keys (have a look at Putty on a Nokia E61!)
- rdesktop is very nice but there is no right mouse button. Controlling Windows becomes a little pain
- why they forgotten to compile mouse support by default. If I surf from the kitchen table, a small BT mouse could help a lot
- if I dream a bit: 10Hz GPS engine and motion sensors instead of a low quality cam - so we can use this ITT as a full driftbox (http://www.driftbox.com), engine tuning (maybe megatunix?) and analytics (carman)

All in all: if I spend ~$400 or €400, I would be a lot disappointed, mostly because the hardware (ergonomy and quality) is bad compared to my beloved Nokia E61. And the forgotten video rendering capabilities, mouse support and function keys. Then, the N810 could replace my laptop.

ghoonk 2008-01-26 09:59

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[offtopic]
ah, a fellow track enthusiast! what car do you drive?

I'm using the PerformanceBox to review my timing and lines on trackdays. The Nokia Sport Tracker seems like it can be adapted for lap timing, and it would be great if the we culd output a log file that the Performance Box software can open and analyze (sans G readings)

[/offtopic]

slha89 2008-01-26 19:14

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offtopic answer: Opel Speedster (aka Vauxhall VX220 aka Lotus Elise/Exige) ... a great car!

phjnky 2008-01-31 18:23

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Country: USA
Purchased From: CDW
Purchase/Arrival Date: 1/31/2008

Likes:

Linux
Build Quality
Graphics
Included SIP Client
Size & Weight
Multiple Input Methods


Dislikes:

Battery life could be better
Web Browser zooming could stand improvement


Favorite Apps:

SSH - remote management of routers etc.

The main concern I had was pairing my Verizon XV6800 (windows mobile 6 device) and using it for a Bluetooth DUN connection to the Verizon EVDO network.

Had to add bluetooth DUN back to the xv6800 but that was about it.. it worked right off the bat.

bluetooth dun connection to verizon through xv6800 speedtest.net

nothing to write home about but it may improve if/when we get a rev. a upgrade on the xv6800.

455 kbps down
114 kbps up


on edit.. thanks to all for the info here.. been reading and waiting for a week or so..

tigerchef 2008-02-08 23:18

Hello Friend, got a doubt.
 
Hi Nokia N810 has got only GPRS, there is no EDGE in it. Will the browsing be fast in GPRS itself? or is the perfomance speed is good when we browse in N 810.

Has it got the better speed than N 800 mobel. Do you find any difference?

Please post me the reply or Just mail to my mail id.

It will be very helpfull, if you clear my doubt.

Thank you, good day.

slha89 2008-02-10 09:07

Re: The itT Nokia N810 First Impressions Thread
 
Just one other "con":

Other apps are not well integrated into the Hildon Desktop environment.

Example: I delete my Imap account in the standard email app but mail notify reminds on new mails!? No Modest or even Claws-Mail comes up.
Other examples are addressbooks of GPE, Pimlico or Claws-Mail. They should replace the original addressbook system wide.

There should be a fave apps selector like in Gnome or KDE or I don't find it in the preferences menu.

bblackmoor 2008-02-12 03:14

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I do not know if anyone will care, but this is my first review:

http://www.blackgate.net/blog/index....kia-n810-fail/

and my follow-up:

http://www.blackgate.net/blog/index....he-nokia-n810/

on the Nokia n810.

dchao 2008-02-21 22:20

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Just want to say hi to everyone. My N810 arrived a few days ago.

I wanted a internet device to replace my old hx4700, so I started searching. I've considerd the new iPaq 210, EeePC, iPod Touch, PSP.... everything. Since I am not a big gamer and music lover, the Touch and PSP just don't seem fit for me. I tried a EeePC, since it's not pocketable, I had to returned it, however the built quality was really average, specially that wrapped spacebar, and the whole thing was top-heavy.

210 looks exactly like my 4700. So I want to try the N810 with a wider screen for better web page rendering. And I am not disappointed. The web browser is excellent. I don't need a good PIM, since that stuff can be done on my cellphone. GPS is a little bit disappointing, but way better than the iPod Touch. N810's H264 decoder seems faster than the TCPMP+ffmpeg on my 4700, but not as smooth as the iPod Touch or PSP. (Looks like the N810 will only support baseline profile, so I have to re-encode some of my videos that's done with extended profile)

My conclusion so far, this device is promising, I am going to keep it and replace my 4700.

Stal 2008-02-28 13:39

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Hi all,

just thought id add my 2c to the mix. Had my N810 for about 2 weeks now and am loving it! Im using it for much more than i thought i would :D

I was looking for a device to use instead of my laptop that allowed me to do some browsing and other bits that was smaller than taking my laptop around. I was torn between the N800/N810 and an Ipod touch.

Im sorry to say i went for the ipod touch :( I was very impressed with the browsing experience on the device, and the ui in general. But after the initial wow factor wore off i realised i wanted something more. So i sold my ipod touch and went for an n810 (liked the smaller form factor than the n800..despite the price :s )

Havnt looked back since! I knew that running linux the n810 would be more quirky than the ipod touch, sometimes having to fiddle with things to get them working properly, but hey, its those little quirks that keep us interested ;)

Everytime i use the n810 i am discovering new things you can do with it, many of which ive been too scared to do, but still plenty of possibilities :D

[Likes:]
Form factor
Browser
Linux (despite being a linux n00b)
Video playback - MUCH better than expected!

[Dislikes:]
the only thing i can currently think of is the keyboard could have been slightly better - i find it awkward to press some of the keys at the center along the top, but still am happy using the keyboard.
Oh, and Gizmo - Would like a IM app with webcam support, but have STILL not been able to get my msn contacts added :mad:

[Favourite Apps:]
Browser
Video Centre
Pidgin

brontide 2008-03-02 16:25

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48 Hours with my n810

I am no stranger to the Nokia internet platform having played with a 770 for a few weeks last year. I found the whole experince to be lacking in many way. The unit was underpowered and both the it2006 and it 2007HE were promising, but buggy. But it was able to browse the internet via my cell phone.

Fast forward to recently. I've been lusting after an iPhone, but refuse to spend that kind of cash for a device and a 2 year lockin to AT&T. For that kind of cash I would much rather buy a MacBook, except I already have a Pro. The iPod touch was more suited to my capacity needs and my cost avoidance, but I have this sneaking suspicion that it will never be able to pair with my cell phone for use almost anywhere.

Which leads me full circle back to the NIT. As I started looking at my needs and costs I decided that I should give it another chance. I picked up a used n810 for a healty discount thanks to this site.

The it2008 software is a signifigant upgrade and the n810 hardware is a signigant upgrade in all respects. I installed the latest firmware as well as the rtcomm beta and Modest for Gmail access; I haven't had a problem yet. It's communication abilities are vastly improved. Not to say that the experience is perfect, but it is good enough for my immediate needs. Canola has also come quite a ways from the last time I tried it and I have actually gotten SyncTunes up and running so that I can keep a small selection of tracks ( even protected ones ) on the NIT. What I most approve of is the subtle changes like holding down the window change button will always bring you back to the home screen, the fact that opening the slider will unlock the screen, opening the slider and then closing the slider will relock the screen, and the wonderful LED indicator to show you at a glance if it needs your attention.

Sure the n810 is more expensive than the n800, but the hardware keypad and the transflective screen are well worh the extra bucks. Being more pockable is a nice bonus as well.

I do have a few complaints at this point. The battery cover is flimsy enough that I flex it when I am typing on the keypad. The built in chat software is also missing a lot of simple customzation that would improve it's appeal. Topping off the list of complaints is the lack luster GPS abilities, sure it might work in a pinch, but for most things it is close to useless.

This entire post was typed into notes and the copied to microb; not shabby if I do say so.

jacekjacek 2008-03-17 17:46

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Hello, i'm migrating to the tablet from palm. I've been looking to replace my palm tx. The n810 is a great device.


Country:USA
Purchased From: mobilecityonline
Purchase/Arrival Date:

Likes:Multitasking! Great screen. to my surprise, its pressure sensitive. nice for sketcing on maemopad+. battery life. The home screen applets are awesome.

Dislikes: Maps didn't work out of the box. I had to reformat the internal drive and acquire maps online. Also, the battery is loose on my device. I had to wrap a little electrical tape to prevent the device from turning off. It would shut down if i would spin or shake the device. Theses problems are fixed now, but I still cant find a good calendar application.

Favorite Apps: ?


With all these wonderful applications features, the nokia is not a PDA. It's a portable pc.

Gourmand 2008-04-01 12:01

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First impression - I would better buy N800...

N800 vs N810
+ Larger screen vs - Smaller screen
+ 2 SD cards (cheaper) = up to 64GB vs - 1 mini-SD and slow internal = up to 34 GB
+ mini-USB vs - micro-USB (damn expensive and hard to find)
+ price about $410 vs $670 in my country...
+ screen keyboard can be accessed with hard joy simultaneously vs - if you touch screen, then you can't move cursor by arrows...

keyboard can be external BT for N800
GPS can be external BT for N800 (even internal N810 GPS is useless in my country)
OS2008 саn be installed to N800
size or weight doesn't matter - I care device in large case or bag

just only two preferences I found - USB OTG in N810 and good reflective screen

I think now I was wrong buying N810... but may be later I will think different, don't know yet

sachin007 2008-04-01 12:08

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screen is of the same size.

Gourmand 2008-04-01 12:14

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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 163283)
screen is of the same size.

in pixels

I mean physical size

or exactly the same?

sachin007 2008-04-01 12:20

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In all aspects.. exactly same. The n810 total size was decreased to increase pocketability.... that is why screen seems to be smaller

Gourmand 2008-04-01 12:57

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but the screen size is not worst problem...

j'vai 2008-04-02 04:14

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luv my n810!, flexible is all it is...

i found a dl to support my .ogg music files, since my debian box reformats most of my music this way, in order to separate gengre i made folders on the external memory ambient, hip hop, jazz then drop the music in the folders which they belonged.. media player handles them well, it also handles the .wmv, .avi files well, but not .mpg ??, oh well.. i'm dying to find out if it will read .iso dvds since the linux kernel supports this standard by default, but i only have a 2gb for now, the smallest .iso i have is 4 gb ( i will experiment on this )

i'm sitting on the metrorail this evening playing music & reading a 28 page pdf file bobbing my head minding my bizz, when @ the l'enfant plaza stop, a guy sits beside me, my peripial vision feels the heat of a stare, i mean this guy wasnt being tactful @ all, like he was looking @ a murder on wide screen... he pulls out an iphone , moving about xtra so i could see him.. aftr fiddling about he nudges me & asks " what is that that?" " it's my music player" i said, ( i had on midsized sony headphones, with the sound blasting, so he heard a song he didn't know, "what song is that?" he asks, "wuub , from the album woob 1194", i gave him the head phones & replayed wuub for him, he didn't listen to the whole of it, but he wrote down the artist & song & said as soon as he got off the rail he'd dl it to the iphone from itunes.....

i would have loved to been there when he tried to look this album up on itunes, (it's not carried by them) & i dont know what hacks he'd have to go thru to get on his iphone even if he did obtained it....... i have a bomb music player in the n810!! i dont have to depend on one source for my music or movies, this thing sync's well with my linux box, & multitasking is sweet with this thing... now the only thing i have to do is learn gizmo voip, since skype won't dl for some odd reason, gizmo will be great when i go on my cruise this sept, who needs a gsm phone for overseas travel, when they have mobile voip?... i'm luvin this tool..

ysss 2008-04-02 04:29

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Gourmand, if you're not happy with your N810.. I'd be happy to swap my N800 with yours :D

mobiledivide 2008-04-02 05:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by j'vai (Post 163737)
now the only thing i have to do is learn gizmo voip, since skype won't dl for some odd reason, gizmo will be great when i go on my cruise this sept, who needs a gsm phone for overseas travel, when they have mobile voip?... i'm luvin this tool..

Install RTComm and you will have native SIP using the built in, look on this forum for a thread about it.

josiahg777 2008-04-04 00:48

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country: USA
purchase date: 3/30/08

likes:
sunlight readable screen!
feels sturdy
feels relatively snappy

dislikes:
battery cover wiggles
application manager is a pain in the butt

undecided:
keyboard - i'm not sure whether i like it or not

favorite apps:
web browser!
canola 2-although it keeps refusing to play my media. but hey, it's beta :)

oh and this was written from my n810 :)

bottom line: i love this thing :D

Chris1051 2008-04-04 19:06

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Country: USA
Purchased From: http://www.nokiausa.com/ ("Lets Talk" is the name of the agents)
Purchase/Arrival Date: 20 March 08 / 28 March 08

Likes: the device in general

Dislikes: car mount, email app... being bogged

Favorite Apps: Map and RSS reader

I did a write up on the first impressions at my blog

http://chris1051.blogspot.com/2008/0...riticisms.html

termsig 2008-04-05 18:55

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Country UK

Like everything Nokia n810 has good and bad thinks but for me it's the best internet tablet in world. Open source it could not be better!

Texrat 2008-04-07 02:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris1051 (Post 165140)
Dislikes: car mount

Out of sheer curiosity: why?

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-07 03:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 166030)
Out of sheer curiosity: why?

He hasn't got a car! :D

Rimshot!

morrison 2008-04-07 07:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 166047)
He hasn't got a car! :D

LOL! That may be why :p

rickh810 2008-04-10 07:48

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HI all....just got the 810 and love it to bits.
However I read that the browser was supposed to be really quick......my wife has an Itouch and that knocks spots off the n810 in terms of speed.....could I have a problem with the 810?
BIt new this so apologies in advance for my ignorance.
Rick

Picklesworth 2008-04-15 00:41

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Hate to self-link, but I wrote a really big list of thoughts here:
http://dylanmccall.blogspot.com/2008...810-today.html

The hardware is great. One issue I have is that the keyboard seems to make a slight scratching noise when I slide it out, though that is going away. I also swear there is some point of contact behind the screen; every now and then when pulling out the keyboard, I see that swirly effect of something touching it near the center. Could be my imagination.

The screen itself is shockingly amazing. I have never seen a screen with this high a resolution; rounded edges look round, and we don't need any fancy anti-aliasing effects to do it.

I, for one, do not wish for a flush screen when using this. The slight border around the screen is, for me, 100% justified. Just enough space to put my fingers without touching the screen itself. Any less and it would be a pain to hold.

Wow, touch pressure actually works! Maemopad+ really shows that off nicely. (Although it could do with smoothing or some such; I find my writing looks appalling with it). Do we have proper pressure sensitive hardware here?

The stand is nice, but an issue I have with it is that the device can slide around when it is extended. Some rubber feet would have been a nice touch...

On the software end of things, there is room for improvement. The N810 would do beautifully being used in portrait mode, which is unfortunately not yet supported in official software, and the system still feels a tad sluggish overall. However, something really cool is happening here: The N810 is one of few handheld gadgets to happily split the software from the hardware. This is mine to mess with, and it is very possible to do so.


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