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JeffElkins 2007-11-27 15:48

Maemo repositories?
 
After my upgrade to beta OS2008 I'm getting just horrible performance grabbing software from the maemo repositories. Anyone else having problems?

zerojay 2007-11-27 15:53

Re: Maemo repositories?
 
They're being hammered. Patience.

evanjfraser 2007-11-27 15:53

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They're probably getting hammered because so many other people are re-installing at the same time.

JeffElkins 2007-11-27 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 100790)
They're being hammered. Patience.

That's as may be, but surely not as much as normal debian repositories on a daily basis. Think of the 4Kbs downloads for the new firmware. I think it may be a bandwidth problem on Nokia's end.

zerojay 2007-11-27 16:27

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Debian repositories have far more mirrors.

akd 2007-11-27 16:28

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Maemo site is always a nightmare...

JeffElkins 2007-11-27 16:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 100806)
Debian repositories have far more mirrors.

Zerojay, mirrors don't figure into a repository. If you add a repository to your sources.list it doesn't fall over to a mirror if performance is bad. The repository either has bandwidth to handle requests or it doesn't.

zerojay 2007-11-27 16:38

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Sure, but Debian repositories generally have huge amounts of bandwidth to spare because they're hosted by universities and hosting companies. Maemo isn't, just be patient.

TA-t3 2007-11-27 17:13

And Debian users usually use their local mirror, not the central Debian server. And companies with a number of Debian users may even have their own mirror of a mirror.. as where I work, for example. So the load tends to be quite distributed.

ferjant 2007-11-27 20:54

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i know i dont have the right to complain about repos but why is it hard to install an application with the ITs. i just flashed my N800 and im very happy about it, but tried to install UKMP but it needs python then it needs lib/repo. i mean why can't older version work on new OS (backward compatible). will this happen again in the final OS2008 and futture OS? can developers embed repos on its software so that it wont ask missing libs its so frustrating. sorry guys, im not mad but just a little upset that i had to deal same problems. i just wish my favorite apps, Canola - Kagu - mPlayer - UKMP will work without problems in the future. im a basic user, just want to surf the net and play my media files. i dont like Apple and will always loyal fan of Nokia.

schroncd 2007-11-27 21:18

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People.. There's a REASON they call it BETA..

The finished version WILL be different and your WILL have to reinstall everything. If you can't handle that then stay away from beta software..

Sorry.. Too many whiners around me today...

---dave---

JeffElkins 2007-11-27 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 100837)
And Debian users usually use their local mirror, not the central Debian server. And companies with a number of Debian users may even have their own mirror of a mirror.. as where I work, for example. So the load tends to be quite distributed.

Their national mirror. You're not seriously suggesting that the load on the maemo repository is anything like equal to that of say us.ubuntu.com?

JeffElkins 2007-11-27 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 100590)
Sorry for the download speed problems and thank you to those offering alternative solutions. We are paying some money for good bandwidth and global caching. We will look today to the download statistics and talk to the service providers to see what was/is going on.

That pretty much settles it for me.

technut 2007-11-28 00:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by schroncd (Post 100959)
The finished version WILL be different and your WILL have to reinstall everything.

Just fyi, with OS2008(beta) the backup/restore process works much better than in OS2007. So it probably won't be as painful as you are expecting.

jhoff80 2007-11-28 00:21

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Okay also... how come this is practically the only form of linux that doesn't have one central repository, and instead to install different programs you need 20 of them? Why can't we just have one repository with all programs, and a bunch of mirrors?

zerojay 2007-11-28 04:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffElkins (Post 101025)
Their national mirror. You're not seriously suggesting that the load on the maemo repository is anything like equal to that of say us.ubuntu.com?

You're not seriously suggesting that Maemo has the resources behind it that the central Ubuntu repository has?

TA-t3 2007-11-28 11:30

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Jeff, I don't have the faintest idea of how many US ubuntu users there are. But if the load is high I would guess they're using a round-robin setup of distributed servers, where their host.domain name maps to different IP addresses, distributing the load automatically. Maemo is still a single site, as far as I know. Let's hope that at some stage Maemo can/will be given the resources to go in that direction.

@ferjant, @jhoff80: The high number of repositories is a valid complaint, and it has been raised many times. And from what I can read on the mailing lists Nokia is completely aware of the problem and there are plans to improve on that (with the help of the community). A bigger problem than the large number of repositories is that many of the repos are not self-contained the way e.g. Debian repositories are: Either a repository includes all the dependencies its applications need, or it only depends on packages located in the "standard" repository (which could be repository.maemo.org in our case). But this _will_ improve.

JeffElkins 2007-11-28 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 101203)
You're not seriously suggesting that Maemo has the resources behind it that the central Ubuntu repository has?

Huh? Sorry, that lost me :)

I originally wondered if there might be bandwidth problems unrelated to the download of the N800 beta. And, as I posted above, a Nokia rep letting us know they were investigating bandwidth problems settled it for me.

free 2007-11-29 22:16

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Unreachable again.
After 2mns, I got one or two packets. I give up..

There is something broken overthere, can't be only the load due to people downloading. I suspect other things..

edit:
and now it's instantaneous...
:confused:


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