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krisse 2007-12-19 10:45
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by Jonnycat26 (Post 105233)
It's barely adequate now.
That's a ludicrous thing to say, both browsers are more than adequate for the majority of users.

Sure, there are some examples where one or both fail, but most (in my experience 99.9%) of the time they render pages pretty much like a PC.

It would be nice if people wouldn't resort to extreme claims when making criticisms, it makes it very hard to take the criticisms seriously. A solid, measured criticism (for example saying that MicroB messes up certain specific sites) carries a lot more weight.


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Even though I prefer the microb browser, I miss having choice.
There is absolutely nothing to stop Opera releasing their browser for OS 2008 as a third party piece of commercial software. The OS 2008 SDK has been available for some time now.

Opera have done this on Nokia's S60 smartphones, you can buy and install Opera instead of using the built-in S60 browser. If they choose not to do it on the tablets then that's entirely Opera's decision.

AbelMN 2007-12-19 10:46
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 105229)
There are truths to both sides here. MicroB handles some stuff better than Opera does, but for the stuff that Opera does handle it mostly does it quicker than MicroB and with a smaller memory footprint. (MicroB seems to crash more as well, at least in the OS2007 version. For some of those cases it seems to be linked to running out of memory. So, memory and speed seems to be the main problem compared with Opera. Improved Ajax is the the major point MicroB has over Opera, presumably.)
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Well spoken:
Earlier this month I found on my N800 (OS2007: 4.2007.38-2) installation application an upgrade for Microb-browser; now 0.0.8-4 (not sure if version has changed). As a result the MicrOb is even slower (I know: OS 20008...), and does not respond easily to finger scrolling or hyperlink initiating. Too many sites are not displayed correctly, stopping or even unusable, i.e. Reuters or Yahoo Beta, (zooming problems). These are major sites that should run smoothly! Opera a runs these sites (Yahoo old style !) smoothly, but performs for example slow on You tube. This all maybe of course temporary until OS2008 is full-grown.

As I am quite happy with my N800 -I will certainly try the OS 2008. However I am getting somewhat concerned that Opera is not available in OS2008 and that -maybe- I cannot switch back to OS2007 with Opera. Las tweek I issued a FEEDBACK to the Nokia Support Site stressing them to keep OS 2007 available. I think this may be important.

krisse 2007-12-19 10:49
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by AbelMN (Post 111009)
These are major sites that should run smoothly!
Yes, but there were major sites that didn't run AT ALL on Opera. Google Documents for example wouldn't even open, it refused to let users log in.

The fundamental problem is that Google and other major sites no longer support Opera because it has such a small market share. It's not really a technical problem, Opera is technically more than good enough, it's simply that the site owners don't think such support is worth their while for such a small percentage of their users.

There's nothing that Opera or Nokia can do about this, and the only solution from Nokia's point of view is to switch to a browser that does have a large market share.

Google Docs does work on MicroB, because Mozilla/Firefox does have a very significant market share, so the site designers support it. That implies that as far as web-based services go, it's better to use a browser which has a large market share.

AbelMN 2007-12-19 10:54
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by krisse (Post 111007)
That's a ludicrous thing to say, both browsers are more than adequate for the majority of users.

Sure, there are some examples where one or both fail, but most (in my experience 99.9%) of the time they render pages pretty much like a PC.

It would be nice if people wouldn't resort to extreme claims when making criticisms, it makes it very hard to take the criticisms seriously. A solid, measured criticism (for example saying that MicroB messes up certain specific sites) carries a lot more weight.




There is absolutely nothing to stop Opera releasing their browser for OS 2008 as a third party piece of commercial software. The OS 2008 SDK has been available for some time now.

Opera have done this on Nokia's S60 smartphones, you can buy and install Opera instead of using the built-in S60 browser. If they choose not to do it on the tablets then that's entirely Opera's decision.
True both for measured criticism and Yes, It's the Market stupid. So Why not use Safari ? ;)

krisse 2007-12-19 10:57
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by AbelMN (Post 111013)
True both for measured criticism and Yes, It's the Market stupid. So Why not use Safari ? ;)
Actually Nokia DO use Safari on their S60 smartphones, in a way.

The Safari and S60 browsers are both based on the same open source core, and many websites recognise them as the same browser. You can even run mobile sites intended for the iPhone on S60 smartphones.

wazd 2007-12-19 11:55
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
Well, WebKit is not a Safari =) Like Gecko is not Firefox ;)

AbelMN 2007-12-19 16:11
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by wazd (Post 111035)
Well, WebKit is not a Safari =) Like Gecko is not Firefox ;)
Agreed.
However the Apple Iphone advertisement says Safari.

Texrat 2007-12-19 16:49
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by DingerX (Post 105216)
MicroB is absolutely lousy at handling images. Images slow the thing down to the point where I suspect a crash, kinda like what opera did with Flash-heavy sites, MicroB does with image-heavy ones.
I have to disagree with this and other blanket statements made.

Good/bad in this case seems mostly subjective, ie, determined by an individual user's experience and expectations. I haven't seen images cause as much a problem with MicroB as sheer site size and scripting do. But that's due to my browsing habits.

Personally Opera was horrible for me because it could not handle sites like wellsfargo.com. MicroB solved that, again helping *my* situation.

But GeneralAntilles' point about MicroB being open is the clincher here. It means there is potential for faster fixes with it than Opera. That would include performance. It just remains to be seen if that potential is fulfilled.

GeneralAntilles 2007-12-19 18:49
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by AbelMN (Post 111032)
And as far I can see (former OMG and W3C/XML attendee) not only MicroB but the Maemo community and THE TEAM (Yeaaarrrr ?.) have to mature rapidly to get anywhere close to openess. I really cannot see why the General of the Antilles had so many thanks for his views. Looks like a stressed and defending community. Not necessary and not reassuring.

And As Always: have fun. :D (in particular for the General).
What in the world are you on about? O_o

sjgadsby 2007-12-19 19:16
Re: Opera for OS2008?
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 111294)
What in the world are you on about? O_o
I think AbelMN feels the Internet Tablet Talk community is not open and mature enough because many people thanked you for the opinion you voiced in post #7 of this thread. At least, that's my best guess after several re-readings.

I'm going to go lie down for a bit.


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