Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Have to disagree with you, not in the technical sense, but the philosophical sense. Nokia is marketing this as an INTERNET tablet, it should do that well. Nokia controls the hardware directly and to a large extent the OS. They have complete control over the browser experience, as far as it relates to panning/scrolling vs. input, etc.

Nokia may not be apple, but they are not a mom & pop store either. They have an amazing product here, that can easily compete with Apple's equivalent (the iTouch), but getting the browser working well is an important step.

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

It's a good day for browser bashing:

1st: The access to history is too far removed.
2nd: I need the ability to simulate a right click for new-window control.
3rd: I dig my N800.

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Not sure this qualifies as a nifty shortcut but you can hit the Menu hardware button to get to them easily enough. From there the address bar is at "Web page / Open location..." and bookmarks are at "Navigation / Bookmarks".

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

See my post just above. Also, if you touch-hold on a link you get the equivalent of a right-click. And touch-hold on the back-arrow gets the recent history.

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Philosophy doesn't mean much in the real world. We are where we are, it's not like you can flip a switch and change that. :rolleyes:

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Yeah, the problem with "Navigation/Bookmarks" is that it launches the whole Bookmark organizer/editor which really isn't needed most of the time. I wish there were a way to get to bookmarks like the "toolbar" offers when you are in fullscreen without the toolbard visible. Even just an option off of the tap and hold menu would be fine. Now I find myself shifting out of full screen just to get at that toolbar and then switching back.

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

You are right, I did not realize that holding down the d-pad will cause line scrolling. Thanks for the tip.

And my quip about the laziness and insinuation was just that, a quip not to be taken too seriously. I appreciate your feedback.

fiy

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Some thoughts from a newbie.

I also find that the browsing experience could or should be better, especially given that the NIT is marketed as an Internet device. Several Web sites I consult take a long time to download: I don't pretend the speed of a laptop, but sometimes it will take minutes for a page to download (and with little images). This is even more the case when you need to magnify and have the text display horizontally to fit the screen. I don't know whether this is linked to the poor wireless performance reported elsewhere, to the device itself, or to the browser. I hope and am confident it can be fixed.

Also on the n810 navigating through pages is hazardous: it is difficult to do it with your fingers, you may easily hit links and you really need the stylus if you want control of the sidebar. Some web sites, like MyYahoo, do not have a lot of white space in which to use the fingers without hitting a link.

The d-pad on the n-810 can help but the upper part is very close to the edge of the device and you may easily touch the central button, which brings you to the next link on the page.

I am sure I will improve my navigation ability. But meanwhile, is there a way to re-program on the n810 the page navigating buttons on the left side of the device? I think that would make things easier. I hardly use those buttons for their intended purpose.

I love the n810: it is already a companion and I my comments, by a non-techie and newbie, are only meant as a contribution.

Antonio

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

You, sir, are awesome. Thank you.

Re: N800 browsing experience
 

Guess that doesn't look like a problem from here.

I set up several apps (evince, opera, and I think a couple others) to have the toolbar on in "windowed" mode and off in full-screen. This lets me use the full-screen button to get to additional options, and I like it that way. Tap full-screen, enter URL, tap full-screen again. Likewise in evince, tap full-screen, enter page number or use TOC to get to a page, tap full-screen again. I find I use applications in full-screen mode more often than not, and it doesn't bother me much.

One thing that would be nice is if programs could be set to automatically come up full-screen whenever switched to. That would help when I: tap full-screen, start other application from menu, tap full-screen to full-screen intervening program, then come back to original program, which has been left in non-full-screen.

Maybe, since applications can't overlap even in non-full-screen, non-full-screen mode should be eliminated, the full-screen button should become the "invade screen from all sides with helpful toolbars and menus" button, and the task switcher (tap home key) should have the "Home" entry partioned into two half-width buttons: the Home button, and a laucher-menu button.

Hey Technut! Thanks, I had no clue about the tap-hold for history; but I thought at first you meant the Esc hardware key. I tried that, and indeed it performs as in other apps, an app close. Then I realized what you meant. Don't suppose you could have said "the back-arrow in the toolbar" for me mit mein muddy-minded morning *****icity? ;)

Noventa, I find that, thanks to the bezel, I am quite able to control the scrollbar with a thumb. I hold my left thumb against the bezel so that the tip touches the screen. It touches right over top of the scrollbar, so I can just slide up and down the bezel.

Some people have commented on the experience vs. web-browsing on the iPhone <spit>, and suggesting Nokia should ditch stylus support. The great thing about the ITs that the Empire of Slightly Used Fruit doesn't have is a full mouse-compatible UI, making ports of 3rd party software much simpler. While the absence of total finger-centricity does have a (small IMHO) negative impact on browsing "experience", I'm quite happy to trade that off. I find it is still very usable for web browsing, and it gains so much utility elsewhere. I still hope for browsing improvements, but never at the cost of stylus support.