Newbie To Linux And N810 Helppp!!!
 

Hey guys,

I'm a newbie and just purchased a nokia n810 and was wondering if anyone can help me with t he following:

1) Stereo A2DP and Nokia wireless stereo headset support?

2) Bluetooth internet connection via Blackberry as a modem so I can surf the web?

3) Full screen while watching streaming videos?

4) Video converter to fit N810 screen (ripping DVDs)?

5) Onscreen keyboard and graffiti with finger?

6) Alarm FM radio without headphones in jack?

7) Apps can be installed onto memory card or just media?

8) How do I move things out of 1 folder and into the a new one (Chess out of extras into my selection)?

9) Download Apps? Maemo do I have to use only 2008 or can I use 2007 apps?

10) Video out feature like the N95?

11) It didnt come with a cd do I need a special software to synch it with my laptop? How do I install apps?

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Yikes. Just to warn you there's gonna be a chorus of people telling you to use 'search' in these forums as most of what you want to know is readily available. I'll do a few but I'm literally on my way out the door right now so I don't have time (or an N810) to answer them all.

2.) You can do this, open the connection manager (Application Menu, Tools, Connection Manager). Click the Connection Manager title bar to bring up the menu, Tools, Mobile Operator Setup Wizard. (This is how it is on the 770 (OS2007), hopefully it's the same for you)

3.) Press the Full Screen button on your tablet. (I think it's on the top of the N810.)

4.) http://tableteer.nokia.com should have a video converter. Otherwise www.maemo.org in the downloads section (multimedia).

5.) Tap a text field with your finger (so there's more of a pressure point that with just the stylus). The fullscreen keyboard should come up.

8.) Application Menu, Personalization, Navigation. Click the "organize" button beside Applications.

10.) Sorry, nope.

11.) Most likely you can't "synch" in the way you're thinking. Your laptop probably uses a totally different suite of software. To install applications, www.maemo.org and go to the Downloads section. Make sure you pick OS2008.

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Thanks alot hedge and I apologize for not using the search forum but I'm a newbie so I have a legitimate excuse LOL I am literally pulling my hair out trying to use this thing so many questions, so little time LOL

As far as # 2 I have done that and it connected to my t-mobile internet but now it isn't working. I heard blackberrys don't tether well with the tablets for internet connection. Is this true???

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6. No...the wire for the headphones doubles as the antenna. You can route the sound out of the stereo speakers, but how you'd do that as an alarm clock I'm not sure...there may be an app written for that purpose.

7. apps are installed to the unit itself. Though, with all the apps I've installed, I don't see that as an issue...

9. You can try os2007 apps, but you'll need the .deb package (rather than trying to use the repository). Best bet there is to keep an eye on http://www.internettablettalk.com/wi...08_OS_Software and http://gronmayer.com/it/

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Dick,

Thanks so much for your additional input however I am still lost. What is a repository? What is a .deb pkg? Not to sound redundant, but this is literally my first experiences with linux. Do I need nokia pc suite like with my n95 or is it a diff synch set up? I am so intimidated I am actually having buyers remorse asking myself do I really need to learn a whole new system? Is it worth it or should I just stick with my laptop?

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Forgive me... I should have explained better. Assuming you're familiar with Windows, a .deb file is similar to a .msi file in that it is an installer for a specific application. Unlike most .msi files, however, .deb files do not necessarily include everything needed to install the application. This is done in large part to reduce redundancy (why have a spell checker and dictionary software contain separate word lists, for example). Technically, .msi files rely on .dll's in Windows...but the idea here isn't to complicate things more than I already need to.

So, .deb files can be thought of as application installers. A repository is an online resource that concerns itself with making sure that the .deb files it hosts also contain everything those applications would require (the master word list, in my dictionary example above). Think of it like Microsoft Update on steroids. Updates for ALL software are automatically made available to you...assuming you have 'subscribed' to that repository. When words are added to that master list, both the spell checker and the dictionary get them when you update your computer.

The reason you can't use the 2007 repositories with the n810 (or os2008 more accurately), is because the repository itself has to make some assumptions - namely the 'base' state the computer starts in. OS2008 has changes that have been made that, of necessity or aesthetics, are incompatible with the previous OS. The individual applications you want installed might work ok with those changes...hence it might be worth finding the .deb package and seeing if that will install. Better, however, would be installing an application that is known to work with the new OS...hence those links I included in my previous post.

If any of that doesn't make sense, ask and I will try to clarify further.

Now, as for syncing your n810 with your desktop. Divorce the n810 from the n95 in your mind. Think of the n810 as 1 of 2 things:
1.) A simple web browser, email client, and voip unit.
2.) A completely separate computer from your desktop. An ultra-mobile pc competitor that can potentially replace a laptop for most things.
How you think of it depends on what you saw yourself doing with it when you purchased it. I can't tell you if you should feel buyers remorse. Not until I at least know what you need the n810 to do. Is it worth it...

That's the million dollar question.

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I appreciate all your time and effort all of you put forth in helping newbiews like me. It really means alot to me. I am starting to understand it a little more (only had the unit for 2 days). I guess I am looking for a complete internet device so I can surf the web, take advantage of its media player functionality, retreive and send emails, etc. Am I supposed to dload apps directly from my n810 or do I do use my laptop as a desktop manager and then synch it with my tablet? I am getting more intimidated by the minute. I am usually very computer savvy however this is all new to me. I have a blackberry and an n95 but I want something more ... something with punch but I am asking myself if its worth all the hassle to learn a new device bc it's getting to be a pain verses an enjoyable device.

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One more thing do any of you know where there is like a beginner FAQ for the n810 or an area which explains the process of dowloading apps and how to do everything I want to do?

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Personally I think that the n810 paired with a bluetooth phone will give you significantly more punch than the blackberry/n95 combo you're using now, though there is a learning curve. I wouldn't get intimidated yet, let me walk you through installing an app and then you can decide how comfortable you are. With web browsing, email, and streaming media you're set to go, just spend some time getting into all the menu's and playing around. Getting DVD's onto the device involves ripping them to your computer and re-encoding them. How familiar with that are you?

Ok, let me back up a bit. Re-reading your initial post to find something useful to install...I should mention that the n810 doesn't have an FM tuner. The n800 does, but lacks gps and the hardware keyboard. The n800 is also really ugly, but that didn't stop me from using for a year - but I digress. I don't have a blackberry, so I don't know if there's issues getting them paired. I would think you'd have less issues pairing it with the n95 if that's an option.

Nothing is really jumping out at me as far as something to install...do you listen to podcasts? Spreadsheet application? Sudoku? PIM apps (calendar, todo, etc.)?

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Unfortunately they haven't yet posted much about the N810 and OS2008, but a good resource is the blog Internet Tablet School (http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/) which is run by one of the other forum members here. Perhaps you have seen it already, but in case you hadn't, I figured I'd suggest it.
(They are waiting for the final public release of OS2008 to do any new updates, but I suspect that a lot of the fundamentals are the same between OS2007 and 2008.)

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Dick I thought my n810 has an fm radio bc it even has the radio applet. I am not familiar with encoding and ripping and I appreciate all your help and would love any suggestions from you that you think are good apps.

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The radio applet is for ROIP (radio over ip)

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Here's some information, mainly about repositories, I'm putting together that might help:

Many programs are available at no cost for the N810 (everything mentioned hereafter also applies to the N800 upgraded to OS2008). But they must be installed. The easiest way to install them involves the Application Manager, by default located in the Settings area of your menu of available programs.
The main purpose of the Application Manager is to allow programs to be installed on the N810 by specifying the locations of the files that are needed for installation. These locations are called "repositories."

Open the Application Manager right now and take a look.
You should be looking at the Main View of the Application Manager. You will see the name of your device, and below it three sections: Show Installed Applications, and under the heading of Web Catalog, Browse Installable Applications and Check for Updates. But in some ways even more important on this page is the easily overlooked image immediately to the left of the words Application Manager at the top of your device. Click on that. The most important item on that list is the Tools area -- if you have problems in the future, you might well want to look at Application Catalog or Log. Click on Application Catalog.
You will see the centered word Catalog and below it is a list of repositories. Click on one of them, and you will prominently see the Web address, which is where the repository information is located.

Now we've seen what the Application manager is; let's put that information to use. It stands to reason that having many repositories, or locations out on the Internet where program information is stored, will give us the option of installing many programs.
Not long ago, you would have had to consult lists of repositories and enter them one by one into the Catalog that we were just looking at. If you made a seemingly insugnificant typo, you would fail to install some programs and it might be a long time before you discovered your mistake.
Fortunately, someone came up with a way to automate the process, saving you effort and typos. Go to this site:
http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Note that on the right side of this initial page, you need to "Select your device OS". If you make the wrong choice, you will find yourself trying to install application that won't work with your OS2008.
Note further that the site warns you not to install repositories that have already been installed on your system.
The easiest, and laziest, way to make sure this doesn't happen is to return to the Application Manager now, Remember the Application Catalog, where we looked at the list of repositories specified? You can easily and quickly delete all of them. This will get rid of any possible mistakes that have already been made. When you have no repositories listed in your Application Catalog, you are ready for the next step. (Note: you can deviate from this procedure, but you may hate yourself in the morning.)
Now that you have deleted all the old repository information, return to the Gronmayer site and look at the Repos for OS 2008 listed. You have a box with the words Install Selected in it, and each repository has a box where you can click to install it.
But if you followed my advice and deleted all repository information from the Application Manager, I suggest that you look over to the right of the Install Selected box to the box with the label Select all repositories. Check it.
This will cause all repositories on the list to be checked. If you didn't delete all the repository information listed in the Application Catalog, you could go through and uncheck all the repositories that you left listed there. The key point is to not have any repositories installed twice.
Now you can click on the Install Selected box, and all the repositories that are checked will be installed on your device. Very quick and very easy!

Now that you have finished adding a bunch of repositories, if you return to Application Manager and look at the Application Catalog, you will see many repositories listed there.
To find out which programs you can add, return to the Main View and click the Browse installable application box.
Then, when you are looking at the Browse Installable applications categories, click All.
You will be looking at all the programs supposedly installable from the repositories you added. But, warning and surprise! Not all the applications listed as installable are installable!
Before you actually click Install for any program, I suggest you click the centered "i" at the center of the bottom of the screen. That gives you some information about the program you have highlighted and adds more information about whether it is really installable. If it is not installable, it will also list an especially interesting fact: what is the problem! This is where you might find the name of a missing library, for instance.
Choose a few programs that look interesting and click Install. Many of them will dump themselves into the Extras program category; others will let you choose an appropriate folder. Try them out!
This concludes the easy guide. Now, on to more advanced subjects...

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WOW! geneven that helped ALOT again thank you to everyone without you all I'm sincerely lost

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Guys I just plugged in my stereo headphones that came with it and BAM! my FM radio works PERFECT! WOW! I'm learning I'm learning lol

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I'm not too familiar ripping DVD's under Windows....doom9.net would be a better resource than I.

Personally, I can't use anything that doesn't at a bare minimum have a podcasting client and a spreadsheet app. Geneven's instructions are without question the best way to get started. There can be some difficulties (gpodder requires python2.5-cairo but doesn't say it does, for example), but those need to be overcome on an individual basis.

At this point, play around. Come here with any questions. The IRC room is good, too (#maemo in freenode).

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Woah, community! :) This is going to be useless in regards to the original post, but you guys rock. I don't know if anyone's actually *tried* the search functionality but it's horrible. Not only that but for his question, he'd have to piece together multiple threads/wikis of varying experience level.

Truly cool to take the time to answer the questions.

n810man: Philosophically, you really need to take on the viewpoint that you accidentally just bought yourself a new computer. It's a pintsized one and underpowered compared to the beast sitting on your desk, but it fits in your pocket and shouldn't dissapoint. If you want to make the most out of your tablet you'll have to learn a few new things but look at it this way. At one point you'd never touched a computer. Sit back and think of all the stuff you've learned over the years without even knowing it.

And that was without forums like this. :)

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Great point Hedge! PC's have come along a way and like nokia says "this is what computers have become!" I will be patient and will stay plugged in to this community and I second that notion you guys sure rock! One major problem I am having is connecting to the internet tethering with my bberry curve. I called t-mobile and they gave me all the proxy settings along with the APN but I can't seem to get an internet connection. Now I ask you this I love this device the more I am learning things however if I cant get on the internet with it other then wifi whats the point of keeping it??? Am I doing something wrong? Am I missing something? I too went through the search forums Hedge and there aren't too many helpful topics but you guys certainly are helping WOW! I must say I have never been a part of a community whom is as helpful and professional and knowledgable as you folks!

Best Regards,

Brian

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"Professional", hahah :) (Sorry, I just got images of me typing while wearing boxer shorts as a hat and blaring some Dead Kennedys or something)

I never tried tethering to a Crackberry before, our BES server won't even allow bluetooth connections and it's faster to enforce policy than I am in trying to connect. If that's a company BB you're on be VERY careful... tethered data costs (even in the US) are insane.

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HAHA Hedge youre a riot! No BES, I use BIS bc its a personal crackberry :)

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I don't use the Itt tethered to a phone. The usefullness would depend on what you need it for. 80% of my life has wifi connection, Home-Office-Gym-Mall-Library. A few restraunts have free wifi, and some hotels will offer it for free also. I don't even subscribe to any pay services that would open up more travel spots.

It is great for me offline, installed programs (mostly games for me) work offline, as does the media player for viewing videos. I also use Garnet VM (a PDA emulator) to sync with outlook, and within that use www.avantgo.com to download pages when I sync to view offline. I'm sure it is a matter of time until these offline apps get written for OS2008.

I wish you luck on getting it tethered to you BBerry. Check the connectivity section of the Wiki.

PS. You hit the jackpot of helpfullness here with Hedgecore.

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Thanks the gog! Yeah Hedge is certainly the man then again all of you are! You guys ROCK! I literally learned about 8 topics over night yknow how they say you need to crawl before you walk well I just ran LMAO

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Hi,
I will throw out a few things:
1. Look at the wikis at this site ITT and maemo. They are pretty mixed up in some places but you can find links with good info on MANY topics. so you don't need to try to search - the wikis will help a lot in getting started with a IT. Even the wikis on 770 or N800 will be useful. For example see the "beginner's guide" in the wiki here at ITT for info on installing apps. (But geneven gave great info already).

2. Why not try this search instead: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=0059812...%3Awt9tjwf2kd4
This has been buried in this thread:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...d.php?p=103274
on page 1, 3rd reply from the bottom. A better way to search. Seems to work for me. Thanks! technut.

3. DVD decryptor and Autogk are good free programs. DVD decrpytor is great and very easy - Autogk takes more to learn about the settings. <-- to copy your own DVDs.

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Are they going to have a future wiki for the n810 and the new os 2008? Most of what I see is for the 770 tablet???

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Thanks for remembering it. I link it in my .sig but I should probably put a link in the Wiki.

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There will be, but it takes time. The fundamentals are the same, it's the specifics that really change. I feel your pain getting the blackberry paired. I ended up buying a new phone so I could pair it with my n810.

Can the blackberry's functionality be replaced via IMAP?

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Dick, are you telling me what I have been fearing? Here it comes the dreadful "you mean then it will not be able to tether from my berry" oh the agony! Don't get me wrong I love my tablet, as much as i possibly could from a novice user who just got it less then a week ago however I love my crackberry ... is there any other option I have for tethering? Even if I have to buy a second phone like an N95 :D

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Absolutely...if the blackberry and the n810 can't talk to each other, you can pick up most any cheap phone that supports DUN via bluetooth. I have a razr that I keep in my pocket and really only use for internet access on my tablet.

That said, I think it likely that someone will figure out how to get them working together, but I expect it will be months before that happens. There is an app for the blackberry 8700 series that's supposed to do what you want: http://brainmurmurs.com/products/pulse/index.php, but I can't tell you if it works for your tablet or not.

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You guys are too kind, I'm just a patient jerk with a lot of time on his hands at work. ;)

There was a website out there for the N800 of 'things to do' when you're sitting on a fresh OS install... there's also newbie guides for the N800 and I believe there might be a couple for the N810. There isn't (to my knowledge) any hardcore all-encompasing resource. I'm no genius, I've been tinkering with Linux for a long time but never went hardcore with it, but if I got an N810 I'd be tempted to throw up a simple site and record stuff as I learn/experience it. Everyone needs a hobby, right? :)

Any luck with that BlackBerry tethering? (Is it a work one? Again, the policy pushed out by your company's BES server might cack any attempts you make.)

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Hedge, I've been messing around with the tablet school and its been helping me ALOT but is the os 2007 really that different from 2008? No luck with the berry tethering. I think I will purchase an N95 today WOOHOO! lol Also, do you know where I can find those newbie sites you were talking about? I tried pulse Dick but it only works for 8700 series berrys but I appreciate the effort. You guys are AWESOME!

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From what I understand... The N800 and N810 are identical in almost all respects/capability. The main differences are the obvious internal GPS compared to a separate bluetooth GPS, and the memory card capacity. Aside from that they have the same video and processing capability and same operating system (once OS2008 is released). So I expect the wiki and many sites to be N8x0, noting differences if there are any.

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I don't know much about 2008 at all. I know it's supposed to feel faster but otherwise beats me.

Here's the URL I was thinking of.
http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/