Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

Great stuff he did. I'm one of his fans. As you know me by now, I will only use archives when it's the only possibility or if the archive has a small footprint (example busybox eventhough I like conflicts handling for core things). I'm a developer but I like "clean" stuffs, with uninstall/upgrade procedures. That's why I'm using a package manager since years.
I tried to convince penguinbait to package it but from what I understoood he's also an rpm guy, he's also not really interested in it and on other great tasks (which is better for most of us).
If I have the time and the skill, I'll take the task to package KDE (although I've already seen some people on other websites having packaged a lot lot of things).
Personnaly I didn't install it because it's too big and I have no visibility on it. It doesn't mean that I don't understand how it's working, it's just not perfect for prime time. I have the feeling that if it would be packaged, not only "hackers" would use it but everybody.
Off topic: Did you try his xfce? I tried it, a.m.a.z.i.n.g also..
I share the opinion, xkb is much better than Hildon keyboard. You can move it where you want and it's also more portable, smaller, etc..
Once again, I agree, it's a bit primitive compared to the Trolltech giant..
I'll have to look at these projects. I didn't really look at other projects, I had just fun seeing nice qt widgets on this tiny device. Then I realized that it has a great potential. And then I also wondered like you why things got re-invented. Maybe license problems at the time, stability and some qapps really need their UI to be rearranged for being usable on the device. Maybe they simply wanted to keep control on their device. Well, it's Nokia after all..
That's what I wanted to do: that the hildon keyboard would popup when the focus would go on a textedit or whatever. Suggestions are very welcome yes :)
I didn't post on maemo website. I would have liked to but the qt4 name was taken and saying "coming soon" for several weeks..... Mine was packaged much before with details on how to do it. Ah well, another subject.
Now that I've been let down by Nokia (what an organisation for a so big company..) with unusable repositories for days, I've decided to not post anything. Also more and more I see that core applications are closed-source. I'm not able to feel if they have real reason (due to competitors willing to steal things) or if this just their will to rule the world but until now, I won't post anything on maemo. Somebody else can do it, it's not that hard anyway.
Frequent code breaks, I can't comment, I don't know.
Beeheeeheeppp
Now I have to strongly disagree (wouldn't be funny otherwise haha)
The fact that it's based on the debian is exactly why I bought the stuff (for 400 euros..). Yes, I'm a debian user. I have so many reasons it would take a entire thread to explain. I'm also frequently helping people on other forums. I've gone into long discussions with some saying that Debian is broken/for sissies/cannot compile/..., everytime I realized the people in front of me had no clue what debian was because they simply didn't understand how it works or they were repeating what others were saying.
I'm using debian testing on my x86 machine.
And strangely, I'm running kernel 2.6.24-rc5 from Debian repository and libc 2.7. All packaged :p
Don't tickle me on Debian without 1 real argument, pleaaase.
Everybody has the choice. Choice is power. My friends are using slackware and fedora (or ubuntu but that's nothing really). I am able to do everything they do.
Enough for distro war.
2.6.21 obsolete? Hummmmm... some people (err I mean hostages) run XP or wince 5.0 you know :)
Come on!! It's 8 month old.
Libc is a bit outdated maybe but there are maybe reasons? (no clue at all here)
Ubuntu/kubuntu/fedora/gentoo
While I have respect for these distro, they don't bring anything more than debian does.
Does these even work (I mean, really work) on arm processors?
How many package do you find in fedora? Currently I have 30168 available packages in one click.
You are wasting your time. I can understand that you are an rpm fan and you're not keen on reinventing the wheel with switching to debian. But it's like this.. this device runs Debian..
Things which are not outdated in debian are for a reason. Either not stable, or license problem,.. Please go to _all_ debian repositories, look at version numbers and come back to admit your error.
Although as I said I agree with your rant against nokia, I think there has been one step done. My old device was running palmOS (wow that's very very primitive). Now my device is running Linux and we have fun here and there porting softwares.
I have the feeling Nokia is doing the minimum with these devices. There seems to be some highly competent developers but with handcuffs.
To be fair, thanks to Nokia's team for that but there's still a lot to do.

Thanks for the comments/ideas on the topic.

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

@gnexus:
I find your ideas in general very interesting. Maybe going the KDE way could actually work out very well. However, I have to arrest you on what you say about Debian - what's in Debian testing/unstable is far (very far) from obsolete, Debian unstable in particular is probably the most bleeding edge distro you can find, although it's always possible to find the odd exception packages (as with every distro). It's not even particularly "unstable" either - it gets more testing than many other "stable" distros.

However, be that as it may, this is not reflected in whatever is included in Maemo. OS2007 used an old libc, old gtk, etc. etc. This was presumably mainly because the gtk version was a branched version for Hildon. The situation is improving with OS2008 which is getting closer to the mainline. In any case, this can in no way be blamed on the choice of Debian as baseline for the Nokia tablets. As far as I'm concerned this choice was indeed one of the major reasons for me jumping on the bandwagon.

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

Ah another debian lover :)
Packages for os2008 are currently building... I'll upload them if it ends up before I go to New Years Eve party :)

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

Okay they are in the box.

But my ISP is a bit clumsy.. you'll have to try several times until you manage (multiple wget would be the last solution) At least I do have problems from germany, maybe you don't.. 5.3 Megs is a bit too much for this webserver..

At least, I'm on time before 2008 :)

Time for porting some qtapps.
Amarok?

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

Amarok for KDE4 isn't yet ready for primetime, and the kde3 version runs on qt3. I'm having troubles compiling a working KDE4 build... I always seem to have qemu hang while compiling. When I ctrl-c and restart the make, it seems to skip the offending file, which means that it doesn't get included in the installation. Are you also having this problem?

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

i was thinking about using the 'D-pad' to generate the mouse button events ie the pad in the middle is the button 2 (the middle mouse button), and the right direction mapped to the right button. the up and down could be used to simulate a scroll wheel with the left direction button used as a chord of buttons 1 &3.

How would that be?

I am a very long time Linux user (since 94) and pretty long time fan of Debian. I find that running testing is a little behind some of the other distros but 10 times more stable. For me the choice of Debian (or actually Ubuntu from what I understand) was a very good one. Where I have a major problem at the moment is the rather wild and woolly state of the repositories for the nokia IT's. Someone needs to establish and maintain repositories that mirror the Debian ones. os2007 as stable, os2008 as testing and sardine as unstable. I just got my n800 and am appalled at the state of the software repositories. Not the software in them but that when people in this forum post a copy of their sources.list it is huge and lists multiple sources some of which have almost but not entirely identical revisions of libraries. this does not promote security or stability.

I get the feeling this is nokia's fault. They put out a (damned good) device and encouraged people to develop for it but did not do a good job of managing the overall software situation. The concept of the maemo garage as a kind of sourceforge is cool but implementation is weak.

Sorry for the rant but for the moment I just see this as the burning issue. :confused:

I do love the KDE port of penguinbait. :D
now, I just have to figure out how to compile a project from kdevelop in scratchbox.

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

I think they just dont ****ing care about the ITT.
They make much more money with phones.

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

What about this hack for simulating the right mouse click?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81608#post81608

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

not bad, if you have a BT keyboard but I was thinking about the times when you do not have a keyboard on hand.

If the BT keyboard works I can not believe that getting mouse support will be that hard, or? :confused:

Re: New game: Qt for developers
 

Am I superficial or now Lyx is possible?