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Thank you for your input Texrat. I appreciate your insight.
No disrespect intended in my 'outside in' perspective.

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Ok, but can we get back to the topic subject, anyone have any idea why I can't install applications?

Thanks!

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i used technut's "click to install" and I still can't get python2.5 runtime to download and install in application manager. It goes through the whole 5.23mb download process, then gives me a message that says "Downloading python2.5-runtime failed." I disabled the original maemos extras repo in my Application Catalog and the two temp ones are active. I've also tried rebooting.

Any ideas on what's going wrong?

Thanks!

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I can't answer about the continued cause of download errors (I don't think it was ever pinned down in these fora), but for me trying-trying-trying-and-trying-again let me install pretty much everything I wanted to.

(This was without the "repostory" fix. I think I noticed an improvement in my download success rate after removing the "i", but I can't say for sure.)

Some apps took one try, some took five, some took more like fifteen. I'm not sure what's going on here (busy servers?), but for those of you who aren't finding an answer and are dying to install a certain app, keep on trying! Good luck.

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None taken. My direct involvement is long since past :( ;)

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Ok, I have tried them all 20 or more times, still sits there at the download for a few minutes then gives me a download failed.

Can one of you say one of the application you got to install was so I can test to see if it's my N810 or the server?

Thanks,

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It's not your N810. You can rest assured of that.

I didn't mean to tell people to try 20 times consecutively. There was some time between my attempts. For instance, it took about fifteen seperate attempts over a few days to get Quiver installed. It was roughly the same case for Pidgin, Canola 2 and a bunch of other apps.

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Get an xterm running, sudo gainroot. Then, at the # prompt, run something like:

apt-get install python2.5-runtime

or whatever app you are trying to install. You'll see a lot more info about what's happening. Give me a command line anyday for system administration...

Tim

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If I was on vacation from Nokia, and I found out that a repository I created was screwed up because I misspelled "repository", I would fix my mistake. I would feel very humiliated for causing all that trouble.

Where do people from Nokia go for vacation, Antarctica?

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Read the thread, it is NOT a spelling mistake. It's not just "repostory.maemo.org" but [ANYTHING].maemo.org that works. That points to the staging server.

The problem is that Akamai doesn't speak a correct HTTP. The fix is more complicated than corrected a spelling mistake from SSH; it may involve switching from Akamai to another host.

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That's really crappy business practice. I work for a freaking K-12 school district. We have 10 people in the IT department, only 3 of them work on the servers. We support somewhere around 9000 computers. Our web servers are expected to be up 7 days a week 365 days a year. I think the longest I've ever seen any of out outside visible web servers down was about 5 hours. If something breaks, someone gets called in. Doesn't matter if they're on vacation or not. Nokia is a multi-billion dollar company. Why the hell didn't they have some one on call. Especially right after a new firmware release.

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Does anyone have any sales figures for internet tablets?

Because i'm sure there's not that many people affected by this.. Not enough for nokia to care anyway

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It has their name on it...

BTW, it was listed as the #2 "computer" sold by Amazon this holiday season.

Prior to the 810 we have seen 300,000 N800's reported here by Nokia reps . That would be in 10 months time without any holiday sales. :)

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You guys have a right to be irritated, and publicly express your ire, but I'm not sure many have any idea what the maemo folks have had to deal with... and I can't share it, unfortunately.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, Barry, but the complaints really need to be elevated. However, I recognize that you see it as a business issue which means I'm sure you also recognize where the buck really stops.

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"Not that many" is a relative term.

Out of total sales of cell phones, you're right: tablets are still a minor slice and very likely receive a fairly proportionate amount of attention. Heck, that can be broken down categorically and still remain true.

Since Nokia has officially acknowledged that the 770 was a geek experiment and the N800 just a refined version of that experiment, I think I'm okay to speak to this subject. The tablets need to hit critical mass before they appear on all the right radar screens-- not just externally but internally as well. While Nokia is definitely a big enough company to support its many products, that bigness can be a hinderance-- especially where new, novel products are concerned.

Now that the N810 cracks the incubator lid open, things WILL be changing for the better. You guys are just now seeing critical mass form. Given Nokia's [understatement] methodical [/understatement] approach to new markets, it may perc a little longer before it "explodes".

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Textrat, as I customer who paid 400 bucks for the device I don't care and I don't have to care for what the maemo folks have had to deal with. I just want to upgrade my tablet and install every available and advertised software piece, and that should work. But it doesn't.

It's their fault no matter what. Period.

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That's the problem, as well, Texrat. How exactly do we "elevate" our complaints? For 80% of Tablet users, ITT is the best place for them to be to voice complaints. I've blogged my open feelings, and others have expressed them elsewhere, but I don't get the feeling that anyone from Nokia really listens/reads. Is there somewhere specific we should be emailing/posting our frustrations, for maximum effectiveness?

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Well, no, not really. If management isn't going to give you the resources to handle your userbase, what are you going to do? Pay for better servers out of your own pocket?

This is a Nokia fumble, not a maemo fumble.

Nokia Support, call 'em up and file a complaint.

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General, you are such a welcome presence here. ;)

EDIT: Ricky, I have an internal blog that I'm using to convey user frustration. In that respect, posts here DO some good: I use them as material (sanitized of course :D) in my blog. The right people get invites to new articles and occasionally even read them.

I am assembling ideas for a "reboot" of that languishing blog in January.

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I would agree with this. I'm sure the folks directly connected with Maemo are chagrined, to say the least, by this FUBAR situation. That said, we all know what rolls downhill, right?

Personally, I think that pitchforks and torches are called for.

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General, I bought a Nokia product. In order to officially update that product they foward me to the Maemo Website. I don't care and I don't have or want to care if Maemo is or is not part of Nokia.

I only know that I can't or couldn't update my tablet as their advertised.

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Ummm, I can't find pitchfork*.deb or torch*.deb for os2008, have they been ported from the 770, or do I have to change my source to suppository.maemo.org? ...

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... and when you look at it, it has the word NOKIA on it.

Their name, their problem.

Perhaps all those Amazon sales should ask for a refund. Perhaps Amazon (or other retailers faced with a high percentage of returns) will rethink sales participation in other NOKIA products.

Their name, their problem...

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LOL. Thanks given.

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I understand you guys' frustration, but it's fixed, so why are you still complaining? I have OS2008 running fine on my N800, and have all the apps that I had before (minus the ones that the developers haven't ported, obviously). So what's the big deal?

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No! I still keep getting a "Installation File corrupted" :mad: is there any way to install Python in a way or another? I want those Canola 2 covers! :D

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dude, did you not read? Go into the application manager and change the maemo extras repository URL from "repository" to "repostory".

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Because it's NOT fixed - Python from extras and anything from extras-devel are still broken.

Yes, we have a temporary workaround but the original problem still exists from day 1 of the launch. By the time Nokia staffers begin to start looking at fixing the original problem on 2 January it will be over two weeks of confusion and aggravation that the paying customers have had to endure, which is totally unacceptable.

Only people who frequent this forum will be aware of the work around, ordinary users will be wondering what the feck is wrong with their device or network and wondering why it doesn't work as promised by Nokia. Nokia have left users high and dry this holiday period - it's obvious this project is under resourced but the poor management decision making which has led to this problem continuing for as long as it has takes my breath away.

And that's the big deal.

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As far as I can tell, even the 'workarounds' are broken.

I've tried the no-'i' repostory, and python is 'broken' on install (C1.0-2).
I've tried the alternate repository naming as 'stage.maemo.com'; it was argued that anything other than 'repository' would fall back on the backup repository, Python still broken.
I've tried the tabletrepo.com (Canola, some Python elements) and the other wolf-something mirror repository and I still get a broken Python install.
So at lest for me, things are a no-go.
Am I missing something subtle on the workarounds?
How can I tell how 'broken' is 'broken'? Where's the x-ray runtime library for this thing? :)

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You'll have to roll your own .deb :)

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of course i did, otherwise why should I complain on this thread? :eek:

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ok, well i just did a clean reflash, and i removed the 'i' in repository--- it didn't do anything though. odd because it was working before the reflash.

edit:
doh! the repository was disabled by default. i put the 'i' back in and enabled it. works just fine!

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Seems as good a thread as any to point out that the N810 is so far from ready as a consumer product as to be laughable/sad. The out of box experience for a new user with no Linux experience is so poor as to virtually insure that the user base will solely be composed of Linux/hacker very-early-adopters.

Nokia does not include, at least in the box my unit came in:

The tool required to update the OS via a Windows computer, nor any reference to it.

The full user manual which is available online, nor any reference to it. And I use the term 'full user manual' in the most general sense as that manual is so lacking in content as to be better considered a quickstart.

Useable customer support, pointers to support forums such as this, the list is endless. Yes, I've managed to get the thing working, thanks to folks like all of you, and my over twenty years of computer use. Would my wife, daughter, neighbor, office mate, and so on have been able/willing to deal with what I've dealt with? Doubtful.

I've written end user documentation, I've run large scale networks, I've managed customer support organizations, so I feel I've some perspective on this issue.

I see much promise in the hardware and intent to continue experimenting. If I were retired, I'd consider writing the user manual that Nokia failed to produce, written for non-Linux users.

I'm no Apple fanboy, but Nokia could take a lesson on out of the box experience from them. Heck, they could take a lesson from Dell or HP for that matter.

As to vacation time and network support, I agree with the previous statements. Designing a resilient online service is hard work, requires investing CapEx and time, but is no longer rocket science. The company I work for handled well over 100 million connections to its online service on Dec 25th with no issues. We run servers in three colos, with redundant everything in each colo, and sufficient capacity to lose a full colo and still handle the traffic. Not cheap, but we're a much smaller company than Nokia and still manage to do so.

Nuff said.

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Amen, brother. As an 11 year vet of the industry I have to agree, while the hardware is always impressive, the rest of it is just embarrassing.

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Hello,

I have offered on the developers list to host a US Mirror site for the installing of any Maemo applications.... If anyone wants to, please let me know. The DNS trick worked for the developer versions.

Best regards,
Edward

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I used putty log into my n770 then MC which is a easy and quick tool...Midnight Commander...

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With more mobile Linux based devices destined to flood the market in the next 6-9 months it will be interesting to see what changes - the products or user perceptions. Nokia have fumbled several times but they're getting there, and Linux is a very different animal from Windows Mobile and other mobile platforms. I think it's a better platform, while others may think it worse based on what they are expecting - if they stick with the product and don't try to change it (which is the beauty of Linux and the Nokia platform) they'll do just fine, assuming Nokia can get the servers working etc. :) If they're expecting a Windows Mobile like experience then forget it (at least for now).

To be fair, including a CD in the box is a waste of time IMHO. I can't remember the last time I actually used the software which came on an in-box CD as I always download the latest version from the vendors website. The CD in the box is almost always out of date.

The "Getting Started" guide which you should have received in the box (a folded pamphlet) refers on the last page to the manual that is installed on the device (in PDF format, numerous languages) and provides a link (www.nokia.com/n800 for the N800) to the Nokia tablet support site.

Now this I can agree with - I've been pretty unimpressed with Nokia support of the tablets and believe this forum is saving Nokias arse big time. There are more knowledgeable people here and you'll get a quicker response here than on any other official Nokia forum IMHO. And of course you can search the forum before posting in case your question is already answered, which is quite likely! :)

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While I agree with "Milhouse", above, I would also add that I was purchasing Nokia N800's in August in Canada, and found neither unit had the current version of the 2007 OS installed. If I recall, the most recent and significant update had been back in June.
At over $430 for me at that time for each and direct purchased from Nokia themselves, it showcases well some of the points people are making here.

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I keep reading in here that people are able to install apps...

I have removed the "i" in respository, put it back in and still get download failed on everything.

I have gone through alot of battery charges trying to get my 810 back to pre-2008 update usable.

Any hints?

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Er, why did you put it back in?