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HWL 2008-01-03 03:49

Aircrack again - questions
 
I am trying to install aircrack, or at least some similar prog so I can access WEP hotspots. On my N800 with 2007, I have installed Xterm and tried as root (sudo gainroot), but am missing files or apps. I show aircrack-ng and wirelesstools installed, but in Xterm I get "not founds" on airodump, iwconfig, ifconfig.
What should I show installed? I have read these forums till I'm blue and cannot seem to get this app to run. Appreciate any help...

prk60091 2008-01-03 17:41

Re: Aircrack again - questions
 
have you "become root"?

barry99705 2008-01-03 19:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 119754)
I am trying to install aircrack, or at least some similar prog so I can access WEP hotspots. On my N800 with 2007, I have installed Xterm and tried as root (sudo gainroot), but am missing files or apps. I show aircrack-ng and wirelesstools installed, but in Xterm I get "not founds" on airodump, iwconfig, ifconfig.
What should I show installed? I have read these forums till I'm blue and cannot seem to get this app to run. Appreciate any help...

Uhh, the wireless settings can access wep encrypted networks from the factory, no additional software needed.

HWL 2008-01-03 23:42

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As I stated, I used Xterm and then thought I became root. This is where I am stuck. Am I not accessing root correctly? I know how to do this in Red Hat, etc (su)...is becoming root different on the N800 (sudo gainroot) [the prompt changes to $]? Obviously, I would not be trying to install aircrack if I had encryption codes available.

iamthewalrus 2008-01-04 21:56

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You can check wether you are logged in as root by looking at the character at the prompt: '#' means you're logged im as root, '$' means you're not.

barry99705 2008-01-04 23:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 120355)
As I stated, I used Xterm and then thought I became root. This is where I am stuck. Am I not accessing root correctly? I know how to do this in Red Hat, etc (su)...is becoming root different on the N800 (sudo gainroot) [the prompt changes to $]? Obviously, I would not be trying to install aircrack if I had encryption codes available.

Oh, so you want us to help you commit a felony? That doesn't sound like a good idea.

sgosnell 2008-01-04 23:09

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I don't know of any jurisdictions in which that would be a felony. Misdemeanor maybe, but felony?

Bloodangel05 2008-01-04 23:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 119754)
I am trying to install aircrack, or at least some similar prog so I can access WEP hotspots. On my N800 with 2007, I have installed Xterm and tried as root (sudo gainroot), but am missing files or apps. I show aircrack-ng and wirelesstools installed, but in Xterm I get "not founds" on airodump, iwconfig, ifconfig.
What should I show installed? I have read these forums till I'm blue and cannot seem to get this app to run. Appreciate any help...

I've played around with aircrack myself a bit, on a home network (i normally use WAP but for the sake of science I used WEP to test this).
Some of this may sound like dumb questions, but to double check...
--> Once you gain root, when you type "whoami" does it actually return 'root'?
--> If your having trouble gaining root, 1. Make sure you have gainroot installed. 2. If that doesnt work, you could always use the ssh root@localhome method.
--> Airodump. When you use it, you have to type airodump-ng not just 'airodump'.
example, airodump-ng -c <channel> -w <filename> wlan0
of course the channel and filename wont have <> around it.

Get back if any of that does anything for ya.

barry99705 2008-01-05 02:23

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Originally Posted by sgosnell (Post 121048)
I don't know of any jurisdictions in which that would be a felony. Misdemeanor maybe, but felony?

Depends on which state he's in, and what he does. It's breaking the law in any state though.

TenSpeed 2008-01-05 02:44

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Originally Posted by barry99705 (Post 121120)
Depends on which state he's in, and what he does. It's breaking the law in any state though.

Just for argument's sake, are we sure he's from the USA? There are a lot of countries represented here at ITT, and international law is even more complicated than Linux (but only by a little margin :)). Some places may even permit such behaviour!

HWL 2008-01-05 02:55

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I am unable to get a refreshed list from the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot link, so I cannot get becomeroot. This is much harder than traditional linux to manuever. So directly on the N800 (not SSH or USBed), I conclude that till I can get/download becomeroot osso-xterm, I can only use the dropbear server to become a superuser.
If I wanted a lawyer, I would go to a legal BB. I am looking for app and install assistance and appreciate those who do assist me. Thanks!

barry99705 2008-01-05 06:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TenSpeed (Post 121128)
Just for argument's sake, are we sure he's from the USA? There are a lot of countries represented here at ITT, and international law is even more complicated than Linux (but only by a little margin :)). Some places may even permit such behaviour!

I highly doubt any country allows network cracking. I know for a fact that the US, Canada, Denmark, Ireland, UK, Germany, Japan, and Australia have laws to that effect.


Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 121132)
If I wanted a lawyer, I would go to a legal BB. I am looking for app and install assistance and appreciate those who do assist me. Thanks!


I just don't see the point of helping a scumbag thief break into people's networks.

Bloodangel05 2008-01-05 10:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 121132)
I am unable to get a refreshed list from the http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot link, so I cannot get becomeroot. This is much harder than traditional linux to manuever. So directly on the N800 (not SSH or USBed), I conclude that till I can get/download becomeroot osso-xterm, I can only use the dropbear server to become a superuser.
If I wanted a lawyer, I would go to a legal BB. I am looking for app and install assistance and appreciate those who do assist me. Thanks!

Try doing it the harder (but not hard) way. Get openSSH, and then use ssh root@localhost.
Otherwise, you could check your installable applications list for 'becomeroot' <--where I personally got it.

HWL 2008-01-05 15:40

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I just don't see the point of helping a scumbag thief break into people's networks.[/QUOTE]

What a gentleman you are. Considering you dont know me or anything about me, nor my purpose, I hope that wasn't directed at me, and that a little growing up teaches you about manners and jumping to incorrect conclusions. Not that its your business, but I repair corporate networks. I would bet my security clearance is higher than yours. You can ignore my questions...

PS - wouldnt this be your post; "That would be 0000, which is the pin of pretty much every bluetooth headset, and some bluetooth equipped cars out there."?

barry99705 2008-01-05 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 121374)
I just don't see the point of helping a scumbag thief break into people's networks.

What a gentleman you are. Considering you dont know me or anything about me, nor my purpose, I hope that wasn't directed at me, and that a little growing up teaches you about manners and jumping to incorrect conclusions. Not that its your business, but I repair corporate networks. I would bet my security clearance is higher than yours. You can ignore my questions...

PS - wouldnt this be your post; "That would be 0000, which is the pin of pretty much every bluetooth headset, and some bluetooth equipped cars out there."?[/QUOTE]

Ohhh, you repair corporate networks, big deal, so do I. Unless you work for the government I could give a crap about your "security clearance". It means exactly nothing outside of where you work. I don't need to do any growing up, I'm a veteran of two wars, and have seen enough, I don't want to grow up any more. My post wasn't really directed at you, but in people who think cracking their neighbor's wifi is "l33t". I'm a member of several computer security forums, and that's the kind of questions we see all the time. If that's not what you are doing then I apologize for hounding you. I highlighted why I am thinking what I do in a post a few above this one. Maybe if it was worded a little better. Yes, that was my bluetooth post, what about it? I was commenting to someone who said something about having to know the pin of a headset. 0000 is the pin of almost every headset out there. Any one who works in the computer security field knows that. That's why exploits like carwhisperer works.

mleeds 2008-01-05 19:10

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As to the question of breaking into a WEP protected wireless network being a felony:

http://www.dba-oracle.com/oracle_new...ess_felony.htm

In most jurisdictions unauthorized access to a computer network is a crime, and in many it's a felony. As a self-stated security expert one would expect you would know that. Unless one has explicit permission to test the security of a given network, breaking into that network is a crime anywhere in the US, UK, and many other places.

jenova13 2008-01-05 19:30

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Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HWL (Post 121374)
I just don't see the point of helping a scumbag thief break into people's networks.

What a gentleman you are. Considering you dont know me or anything about me, nor my purpose, I hope that wasn't directed at me, and that a little growing up teaches you about manners and jumping to incorrect conclusions. Not that its your business, but I repair corporate networks. I would bet my security clearance is higher than yours. You can ignore my questions...

PS - wouldnt this be your post; "That would be 0000, which is the pin of pretty much every bluetooth headset, and some bluetooth equipped cars out there."?

i agree with barry, his purpose for using aircrack may not be to screw people over and get internet connection for free, but rather to test the security of his network, or a network that he has been charged to test, as he says. Now there is always the chance that this isn't the case, but he's innocent until proven guilty.

Bloodangel05 2008-01-05 22:25

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Sorry to be "that guy", but can we go ahead and get this post back on topic. The question wasn't "Is it legal", or "Can you guess why I'm doing this", or "Wanna argue about who needs to grow up", it was essentially "How can I can aircrack to work".

Could we stop the assuming, the arguing, and the throwing around of apparent qualifications and details, and discuss the actual problem?

By the way, I understand now why people don't want to search forums, because every time they do find a thread relating to their rare problem, its filled with useless detours, like what we can see here.

barry99705 2008-01-05 22:48

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Well it comes down to he need gainroot installed. Until then aircrack isn't going to work. For the most part aircrack is pretty useless on the Nokia any way. It's more of a see if we can kind of thing. If the OP is really just trying to pentest networks he actually has permission to, then he ought to be using a real computer that's properly set up and not a handheld that for the most part really doesn't have the horsepower to properly use the tools at hand.

Bloodangel05 2008-01-05 23:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barry99705 (Post 121569)
Well it comes down to he need gainroot installed. Until then aircrack isn't going to work. For the most part aircrack is pretty useless on the Nokia any way. It's more of a see if we can kind of thing. If the OP is really just trying to pentest networks he actually has permission to, then he ought to be using a real computer that's properly set up and not a handheld that for the most part really doesn't have the horsepower to properly use the tools at hand.

Agreed, capturing data is a painstaking, and lengthy activity. To crack a 48 bit WEP password (again, a home network i was just using to test the program), it took me over 2 days using my n800, to collect enough packets+crack it.

If your planning to successfully sit in your car, the mall, or outside someones house in hopes of cracking their wep security, and access their wifi, then your gonna be greatly disappointed.

Hedgecore 2008-01-06 00:41

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*sigh* So uh. Same question he posed but lets pretend I've got a 770 instead and have an old WiFi router with a broken reset switch and I forgot the WEP key and it's for my sick Grandma.

Or cat if you like cats better than grandmas.

Bloodangel05 2008-01-06 00:54

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Originally Posted by Hedgecore (Post 121613)
*sigh* So uh. Same question he posed but lets pretend I've got a 770 instead and have an old WiFi router with a broken reset switch and I forgot the WEP key and it's for my sick Grandma.

Or cat if you like cats better than grandmas.

I'm sorry, I can't help you with that. It goes completely against my morals and beliefs. Subjecting the sick and old to wireless technology is a felony which should be punishable to a good 'ol fashioned Texas style death sentence.

zeusenergy 2008-01-07 07:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jenova13 (Post 121472)
i agree with barry, his purpose for using aircrack may not be to screw people over and get internet connection for free, but rather to test the security of his network, or a network that he has been charged to test, as he says. Now there is always the chance that this isn't the case, but he's innocent until proven guilty.

I also agree, with aplomb. I would use it for getting access to a WEP encrypted network that I might be tasked to administer by affiliates that need assitance. Or how about the new customer you just got because the last admin only used WEP or nothing at all, not WPA with a lengthy, cryptic key to begin with? I've got two former "Geek Squad for Business" customers that way, using freely-distributed and documented tools:p
I bet the detractors of this concept of openness and doomsayers also use these tools in their arsenal, too. If they don't, they are missing out.

barry99705 2008-01-07 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zeusenergy (Post 122338)
I also agree, with aplomb. I would use it for getting access to a WEP encrypted network that I might be tasked to administer by affiliates that need assitance. Or how about the new customer you just got because the last admin only used WEP or nothing at all, not WPA with a lengthy, cryptic key to begin with? I've got two former "Geek Squad for Business" customers that way, using freely-distributed and documented tools:p
I bet the detractors of this concept of openness and doomsayers also use these tools in their arsenal, too. If they don't, they are missing out.

If you have physical access to the box just reset it! You don't need the wep key to log into the access point on the wired side. Having the wep key isn't going to help you if you don't know the admin password anyway. You can reset to default and set up the box faster than cracking a wep key anyway. That's just bad busies practice. Though I guess if you're getting paid by the hour... As for grandma's old router, be a good grandson and buy her a new one with a working reset button. You'll then be able to use her old one for your girl robot you're building in your mom's basement. :D









That last sentence is a joke by the way.

ebe51 2008-01-07 22:17

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Just a thought, but how many complaining about aircrack every downloaded an mp3 without paying?

barry99705 2008-01-08 01:02

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Originally Posted by ebe51 (Post 122777)
Just a thought, but how many complaining about aircrack every downloaded an mp3 without paying?

That's stealing too. Did they stop teaching morals in school?:confused:

ebe51 2008-01-08 13:45

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I know it's stealing, I just want to know how many people are giving the guy a hard time about aircrack, yet go and download free music. Personally I think most of us are guilty of doing this from time to time. Napster didn't switch to "pay" service for nothing.

I mean come on, who was a part napster?

Laughing Man 2008-01-08 14:14

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*shrugs* Whether it's stealing music or not really depends on where you fall in your belief system. Sure it's against the law (or civil law at least) but then again the law has been known to make bad laws. Such as the no buying alcohol before 12 PM on Sundays (hello? What happened to seperatation of Church and State?). Or getting into the road, when a girl is walking on the sidewalk. In the end it boils down to whether a person believes he/she is stealing music or not.

So it really depends on how you believe information should be shared. You can watch Steal This Film part II for a documentary on the sharing of information if you'd like (hey, something else to watch on a tablet :D). People trying to lock down information isn't anything new. They use to do the same thing with books until the printing press was developed. It's funny thinking that books used to be chained up and protected by guys with armor and swords.

barry99705 2008-01-08 16:05

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There are legitimate reasons to use aircrack though. I use it at work, and have used it at client's homes and businesses. Hell, I've custom built computers that's just for pentesting. There is absolutely no reason to pirate mp3's. If you really want the song that bad and don't want to pay for it, do like we used to do in the days before the internet, record it off the radio! At the moment that's still legal. I'm all for free information, that's why they build libraries. They've got all the free info you could ever want, if they don't have it, they can order it. Leaching off someone's wifi network isn't about "free information". You're using a service that they have paid for, and you aren't. It doesn't matter if it's just to check email, or look up a phone number, you still haven't paid for it, and you are still stealing bandwidth from them.

mikedmann 2008-01-31 02:13

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Fine! I'll get off your lawn!

doubleunderscore 2008-01-31 02:58

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Wasn't the original post about not being able to locate aircrack after it was installed??

try going to your /usr/sbin folder then ./aircrack-ng

doubleunderscore 2008-01-31 03:02

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wasn't the original post about a community member not being able to locate the wherabouts of a file???

try your /usr/sbin folder and ./aircrack-ng


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