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I forget about ksysguard, I am command line junkie...

The swap.img file comes with the easy install deb 128MB

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I have tried to install KDE several times on my N810 and I get hung up with unable to install.

I am pretty sure I have the complete files - checked the sizes.

What I am not sure of is if I put them in the proper places. Do I put all the files on my external SD card or the MMC2 file on the N810?

When I put all the files on my SD Card I get hung up on the kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb hangs up.

If I split them up I get hung up on the local-mmc2.deb install.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I am assuming that you are installing from the SD card, not the internal card, correct?

You should ONLY download the files with mmc1. The mmc2 files are for the internal slot. You only need one set of files, in this case the mmc1 set.

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Thanks Drizek for the quick reply.

local-mmc1.deb
kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb
kdesup-3.5.8.deb
KDE358.tar.bz2

to my External 2GB card which is MMC1.

I read in another post that the KDE358.tar.bz2 file goes on MMC2. Is this right? Or does it stay on MMC1?

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

No, it goes on MMC1 as well.

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It goes wherever you're installing KDE.

You know you can move the maps to the external, right?
Then you can put KDE on the internal without giving up anything.

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Got it working. Thanks everyone!

I put all the files on the external MMC1 card and it installed fine.

My big mistake was that I downloaded both sets of files (MMC1 and MMC2).

For anyone else who is new to this, here is what I did:

1. Flash the latest update to the N810

2. Download and put these files on a blank external 2 GB SD card. I used my PC card reader to copy the files over.

local-mmc1.deb
kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb
kdesup-3.5.8.deb
KDE358.tar.bz2

I too had some trouble getting the complete download so be sure to check the size.

3. Install the files in order as posted by Peguinbait.

4. In Extras run KDE.

For me, if it crashed I had to re-flash to try again.

@dubwise, if I move maps to my SD card and install using the MMC2 files what is the advantage?

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Penguinbait,

Many thanks for this app and your previous support on other threads.
I successfully accomplished the dual boot setup with on a 16gb class 6 sdhc card.
Now I want to add your kde app for dual boot. I will use Pronuke instructions. Now my
question is I have USB Host mode using the osso status bar app. I have read that there
conflicts with kde and USB Host mode(osso status bar). Is there a way to setup kde
so that USB Host mode is not disabled or afficted. I'm thinking that since I have
USB Host mode working from normal flash(not dual boot) if I setup kde on dual boot mode
I should be ok. Any experience with this kind of setup? Any assistance or thoughts
would be greatly appreciated. Dan

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Be aware that there are still some typos in there.

After the sfdisk line, he has you doing mke2fs, should be mkdosfs.
The second partition he has you format gets mke2fs.

The line after you get tar should be
cd /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ , not ...home/usr/MyDocs...

He has you apt-get bkzip, should be bkzip2.

Also, the last bit, you have to zxvf the SUP.tgz. jxvf won't do.

Other than that, it's pretty useful.

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Dubwise,

Thanks,
Any idea if USB Host is affected?

Dan

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

There is no effect on USB host mode, in the beta test version, it has an icon built in

Please PM me for the new version

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There is no jpeg support compiled into KDE it seems. Someone complained about not being able to set a wallpaper earlier, and this seems to be the problem. png files work fine for wallpapers, but jpg files do not show up.

khtml and the various kde image apps can display jpg just fine. The problem seems to only be in the file browser part of konqueror. This is weird since khtml is part of kdebase.

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Hi Penguinbait! Of course I succeeded in completely borking my n810 with this. I am presently reloading all packages after reflashing. I also discovered in this occasion that the backup utility does not backup all the not hidden files in /home/user :-(
Next time I'll try after cloning my system to mmc1 or 2. This method for me was a disaster.

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Sorry, its really meant for people are not able to boot from SD. Maybe your too smart for my instructions. :cool:

Ethier way , sorry you had problems.

Can you tell me why you had to reflash, what was borked exactly? Any problems with the application manager can be overcome, so I am unsure what you ran into that would make you reflash?

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This may be OT but I didn't want to start another thread.

I want to replace the 2GB intermal (mmc2) card with a 4GB card on my N800. This is the card I used to load KDE so the local.img and swap.img are on it. Could I just FAT format the new 4GB card and copy the 2 files (local.img or swap.img) over or do I need to completely reload KDE using the new 4GB card?

I asked because I did not want to risk breaking anything. Thanks!

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yup, just as you stated, it will look for local.img on boot, as long as its there KDE will work.

You however can not switch from mmc1 and place it in mmc2. As long as the slots are not changing your fine

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Just noticed there is a precompiled md5sum in maemo scratchbox environment:

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Ok, a lot of you are going to think this is a stupid question. But...

What are the advantages and disadvantages of installing KDE? Can I use Maemo software with that OS? Are there more applications I can use with it than with Maemo? Am I totally confused?

My problem is I love my n810, but I'm very disappointed with the available software.

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

Not stupid, but has been discussed many times.
Short answer is lots of extra software, plus the Maemo apps.
KDE's not an OS, it's an environment that sits on top of the OS.

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I tried this and the step 1 went fine. Then there came errors stating that some packadges could not install / upgrade. And I could not remove them from app manager. Then I flashed the device to factory defaults, but it still says the same.

I have the newest build of the os installed. What the heck am I doign wrong here? I downloaded all needed files, and tried to install them in correct order. Help me please

A very big *THANK YOU* ans some questions...
 

Dear penguinbait, to be honest, I wasn't expecting it to be that easy when I started following your short guide for installing kde on my n810... Thank you!

And now some questions:

1. I followed the "donate" link and it leads to tablethacker.com. Is that you?

2. is there any "make it run faster" guide for disabling lets say "useless" startup apps?

3. how can I tell if an app I want to install is compatible with my KDE installation? Can I use (any) generally available apps, or am I stack to the limited maemo repositories?

4. (I know this is off-topic, please ignore it if it can not be answered easily). What about internationalisation? I am Greek, so I went K/control center/regional & accessibility/country-region & language. I select country "Greece" and I can read proper greek characters in konqueror and koffice opening OOo 2.3.1 spreds, but when I press "add language" I can find only "US English" available. That makes the keyboard selector at the taskbar useless and I have no way to enter greek characters.

Minor comment: it seems like when I logoff from kde, the click sound that I was hearing when tapping on the screen is canceled.

Thanks again!

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When you install and it fails, open tools > log (in the application manager menu)

what does it say? paste the output here and we'll figure out what wrong..

Re: A very big *THANK YOU* ans some questions...
 

Glad you had a easy install, and your enjoying KDE..

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

Thanks to all for the efforts to simplify this process. For me however I have trouble just keeping up with all the lingo and concepts. Will it ever be possible in the future that installing KDE can be made as easy as installing a regular application ("click here to download and install") or is the very nature of this undertaking something that can only be done with a series of downloads, internal tweaking and steps? Just wondering because it sure looks nice but there is no way I would get through this myself.

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It will never be just a single deb, unless you are willing to install it on the command line. When I make a 300MB DEB the appliation manager won't install it, but dpkg -i will.

So, there will always be a small process to step through...


Just to be clear, if you follow the instructions, and do some reading of the entire post, ask any questions you have before you start, if you have any. its a matter of installing (clicking on) three debs. But you have to do some setup prior.

I will attempt to fix some of the problems people had with the next release, but things are slow going, I got my wisdom teeth pulled a week ago, and I flipped and totaled my car 6 days ago, so it may be a few more weeks before a new deb version will be available.

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

Hello Team,
Great work being done here. I have KDE running great but have run into an issue which may be related to the compile. When running KDE on both the N800 and N810 I have noticed that the "Stock" graphical keyboard doesn't work. So under KDE's utility menu I selected KDKBD as a substitute. I noticed that it is missing the numerals below the function key. Is there a work around for this situation? For the N810, I have the hardware keyboard, but on the N800 this isn't an option.
Thank You and keep up the great work gang.:)

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Check this thread
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=15565

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:eek: OMG! I can't believe that you flipped your car too! Thank goodness you're OK! Did you break anything? I sincerely hope your recovery from all of this is speedy. :) Take care.

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

PB, so sorry to hear about the auto accident. I do hope you are ok. Best wishes, p.;)

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PENGUINBAIT:

I am taking you up on your generous offer of support before I try this (in order to avoid killing my 810). I have further simplified your instructions just to make sure I do not screw this up:

You want me to get a SD Card with (at least) 2 GB on it. I have a Micro 2 GB card and can move the stuff off it so it is empty. I then copy the following 8 files to that card:

http://www.tablethacker.com/software/local-mmc1.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/KDE358.tar.bz2
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/local-mmc2.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
http://www.tablethacker.com/software/KDE358.tar.bz2

I then verify (only) the size of 6 of those files:

308317552 KDE358.tar.bz2
308126 kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb
308122 kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
21260684 kdesup-3.5.8.deb
510560 local-mmc1.deb
510548 local-mmc2.deb

I then insert the Micro SD card into the slot and install 6 files in the SD Card in this order:

local-mmc1.deb
kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb
kdesup-3.5.8.deb
local-mmc2.deb
kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
kdesup-3.5.8.deb

I then start KDE from extras menu.

I can then delete which (all?) of the original 8 files I put on the Micro SD card in the first instance?

Have I got this right, it sounds straight forward? I hope to hear back from you and thanks in advance.

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WFT,

Ok I think I can help a bit. I was somewhat intimidated by this install for a while as well. But just make sure you do a few things properly and you will do fine.

Do not install all of the files you listed. PB made two sets of files probably so that us n800 users could choose which memory card we used. You just have one memory card ( the mmc files refer to that) So, MMC1 on the n800 is one card and MMC2 is the other. You need to find out what your internal memory card is called of those two options and then install the corresponding files.

Then, the easiest way to confirm file size is to download the files to your computer and then transfer them to your n810. But I only did this with the Deb files because my xp computer was changing the name of the tar file. I downloaded the tar file directly to my nokia and it took quite a while but worked fine. My guess on the file size thing is that by now PB probably has that ironed out, but I won't try to speak for him. Once you have the files, you can then install them. Make sure you do it in the order he says.

One more thing, if you can afford it, I'd suggest you just go buy a much larger SD card and then you don't have to worry about the size of these files. Cards are so cheap these days, I think it's worth the peace of mind, don't you think? I put my KDE install on an 8 GB SDHC card and haven't had any problems with it.

Bottom line, just be carefull about the details here and this will work out fine.

Neil

PS I too am sorry to hear about your auto accident PB. I hope you are OK and hopefully you didn't like that car anyway;)

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Neil: this is great I can tell I am near. Just to clarify you said:

"You need to find out what your internal memory card is called of those two options and then install the corresponding files."

What program do I use to determine what the internal card is called, the File Manager?

Will it definitely be called either MMC1 or MMC2? If not, I wouldn't know which set of files to install.

When I know what it is called, I install the set of files to the internal card, not a removable card as I posted above?

Lastly, what if the internal card doesn't have 2 GB free, I start looking for fluff to blow away?

Looking forward to another helpful response from you......

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wft,,
try going back and reading the earlier parts of this thread for the answer about what your n810 internal card is called. I would just be going by memory right now and would probably just confuse you. I just went by what was stated inn the earlier posts and it worked out fine for me. Also try this: do a search using my user name using the advanced search mechanism on this site Find my post where I ask a list of questions of PB and he then answers them one by one.[what a guy!] That post really cleared up a lot of things for me.

Neil

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Neil: thanks again. I found your earlier post and it really cleared things up. I am downloading these files and will give it a run tonight. Hopefully tomorrow I will not be the proud owner of N810 paperweight! Wish me luck and thanks again.

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Your N810 internal card is MMC2.

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DUBWISE: Any reason to put it on the internal vs. SDHC? Is it just a matter of personal choice or is one better than the other?

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WFT,

I'm thinking that maybe you are not understanding the memory card thing here given your question above. I don't know how much you know, so I apologize if I say something here that is too obvious. So here goes:

The n800 has two memory card slots. I forget which card is which now, but they are mmc1 and mmc2. In the n810, as I understand it, there is only one memory card slot, the one inside. So, as Dubwise said, it is called MMC2. In most cases these days, we are putting cards in this slot that are called SDHC as opposed to the older SD cards. So as you can see, you will be installing this program on the INTERNAL SDHC card. But with your n810, you only have this choice since the program is going on the memory card and not the devise's flash memory. I'm pretty sure that Penguinbait set it up this way because the devise's memory wouldn't have been big enough to handle it. (but I could be wrong about that) Anyway, you then need to choose the files to download that are marked mmc2. Of course ( just going from memory here) I don't think the tar file has this designation.

At any rate,

Make sure you do the following and most likely you will end up with KDE:

1 probably not mandetory, would just make things easier, go get a bigger sdhc card
2.make sure that those files are the right size by whatever method you can.
3. if you download these files first to a Windows PC, don't let them end up on your Nokia having been renamed by Windows
4 install them in the sequence listed by PB. I recall this part actually being pretty easy. I just clicked on them and the Application manager opened and installed them for me. BTW- AP Manager gave me a bunch of inaccurate info along the way, so don't let that throw you.

now go find KDE in your extras folder and give it a go. Follow the above and I'll bet it works. If I can, you can. You saw how in the dark I was by reading my earlier post, right?

Neil

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The n800 has 2 memory cards. The n810 has 1. :)

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Bunch of misinformation there, kids.

The N800 has two slots that you can do what you want with.
The N810 has 2 gig of internal flash and one slot, which is called MMC1.
The internal flash looks like a slot to the computer and is called MMC2.
You can use either one for KDE. I put it on the internal, MMC2.
If you dual boot to the internal flash, MMC2, you can swap out MMC1
whenever you want and still run all your programs. 2 gigs is plenty of room for KDE.

Re: KDE/Koffice Install made easy for everyone
 

Thanks to all who responded. I understood (with some earlier help) about the various drive options, my only question was whether the internal memory was preferred over a external card for KDE. At any rate, I installed it perfectly last night and will play with it today. My eyes aint what they used to be so I need to make everything a bit larger on the screen (tips?). One thing I learned -- and needs to be re-stated again -- is the TAR file MUST be downloaded by the 810 and not a computer. Even after I changed the name back after windows altered it, it still didn't work forcing me to reflash and download it again by the 810. If you simply download all the files with the 810 I think the install should go off without a hitch. Thanks again all.