Nokia after CES 2008
 

Greetings:


The CES 2008 show has come and gone, so what should Nokia do now.

It seems that the only thing Nokia offered for the CES 2008 in terms of MID's was the N810.
It was an excellent marketing strategy to release the N810 in December 2007.
Seems that many Nokia followers bought the N810.

But the CES 2008 was full of new Mid's, and some are similar or better to the N810.

I predict that Nokia has another magic rabbit up their sleeve.
Another game changer in the Tablet world.

I hope that this new Mid will have the following features:

1) voice recogintion
2) intergrated LCD projecting device, WOW!!!!!!
3) Webcam with Carl Ziess lens.

Now lets here from the rest of you

Regards Robert

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check this thread :)

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I doubt it in the near future but remain hopeful in the long term...

The N8** has provided Nokia with exactly what they want at this stage of the game. Amazon recently released their list of the top 3 computer products shipped this holiday season and Nokia's N810 was one of them.

The key word here is computer. Nokia has stated in the past that the tablets were their way of changing the publics perception of them as just a phone company and their desire to be known a computer provider as well. Amazon's inclusion of Nokia in their computer products list means they are on their way toward achieving that goal.

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Greetings Kozzi:

Thanks for the link

But my thread is to guess what is Nokia's next move is.
What does Nokia have up their sleeve?

I can't believe that Nokia will not do nothing for 2008.

Maybe by spring time we will see the famous N900 unveiled.

Keep the comments coming

Regards Robert

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Nokia and Sprint's deal, in making the N8x0 one of the official XOHM products, will rightfully give the tablets a lot of attention in 2008. I would expect a marketing push by both sides when that WiMAX model is released.

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The prize goes to the first one w/ flawless, wireless, broadband, hand-held, video-phones. Period. ;)

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The next breakthrough for Nokia will be to invest in the infrastructure needed to support the tablets:rolleyes:

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What I'd personally like to see is the option to replace the entire connectivity chipset as needed. Say... cram a [new hip wireless protocol] module into a 'radio' slot under the cover.
So I can switch from Edge to 4G to WiMax to YourMom as it comes available.

... prolly not gonna happen.

Okay, barring that, let's get that new tactile response screen they were showing off.

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i wonder if a future device will have a arm cortex series cpu rather then the current ones.

there is rumors that they have about as much omph as the intel menlows.

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I'd say it's pretty likely that we'll see on OMAP 3-series in the next generation NIT (OMAP3430 mostly likely, because of the LCD controller). Not really much else they could put in there, anyway, if they want to upgrade.

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Hi Robert. What is a "mid" and as far as CES2008, which "mids" were you referring to that are better than the N810?

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mid = Mobile Internet Device

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- +1 funny, but also quite astute... i'm *very* disappointed with the pipe from Finland... i think Nokia needs to rethink its choice of provider

(i did notice Nokia's hosting OS switched from Solaris to Linux in the past six months - not a good recommendation?)

:-)

on_topic: the iPhone shows that an integrated keyboard is not necessary for a successful device - i purposely did not buy an n810 *because* it had a keyboard... JMHO, YMMV...

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Greetings:

Some of the strong Mobile Interent Devices(Thanks FraseJ) that shined at CES 2008 were:

1) the Aigo MId: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=162

2) the BenQ MId: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=156

3) The EB MIMD: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=117

4) The Gigabyte Mid: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=170

5) The Lenovo Mid: http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=163

I still think Nokia was 1 year ahead of its time bringing out the N800 as a MID.

But not we have Intel Menlow CPU and the competition is catching up.

Come on Nokia what do you have up your sleeve?

I hope its that Intergrated LCD projection system in the next N900!!!!

Comments from anyone, keep them coming.

Regards Robert

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I think the new MIDs will be to Intel what the 770 was to Nokia - a first attempt, and there will be some good things but also some bad. Weight and power consumption with this first Intel attempt is almost certainly going to be a negative issue to those familiar with Nokia ARM designs, but with so many companies backing the Intel MID platform I expect them to be a big success at the first attempt, and they will only get better with Generation 2 and beyond.

A Nokia with an OMAP3 processor would be interesting later this year, and a multi-core ARM in 2009 could be stiff competition to x86! :) However I don't think the hardware is going to be the downfall of Nokia (unless they stuff up the video bandwidth again, and fail to improve the touchscreen responsiveness). No, the poor software stack - ie. continued dependence on closed source code and NDA hardware, no 3D or A2DP support, no PIM (unless Nokia benefit from x86 development, which is possible) - and mundane UI design (again x86/GNOME Hildon development may help here) will be their most obvious failing.

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There's no way they could manage that, OMAP3430 supports up to 1024x768!

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Wanna place a bet?! ;)

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According to other releases, I would expect two new tablets: one that's wimax and not much better than the n810 and the other would be similar to the n93. Basically a device that would essentially be a halo as to what MIDs can do.

Nokia will have to clean up UI\UX issues though. Consumers won't go for anything else other than Apple's bar.

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I'm sure Nokia has gained a lot of experience over the past two years dealing with Linux that the MID providers don't have. We all make assumptions that whatever they produce will not have any problems, no update issues and perform flawlessly just like the UMPC did :rolleyes: I think it will be hard to beat TI with processor efficiency Mhz for Mhz. x86 compatibility allows more applications to be used "off the shelf", but probably wont be well integrated unless time is spent on the UI - the one thing most Linux distributions fail to do well.

Also I think the MIDs will be competing for the same dollars (along with other MIDs around the same price). By the time these come out the N810 will be $350 USD if not cheaper. The N810, NXXX might be the easy choice because maturity, UI, price and performance (as a function of battery life and speed).

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My prediction for what little it is worth. The next new nokia is likly to be a vevamp of the n800. basically a N810 without the keyboard that allows it to be iphone slim. or close.

This is also likly to include an optional radio chip interface. either wimax or some chipset that can be configured inhouse for multiple technologies. Nokia has already indicated that they consider the main purpose of the internet tablet to be a test platform for mobile internet devices in third world coutries as the improve technology. radio suport beyond wifi. and configurability in a nessesety to support this.

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Not particularly. :(

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Reference needed.

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+1 :confused:

It took 'em six months to offer them for sale in Australia... What third world countries does he speak of?

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Greetings:

The Nokia N800 was not that popular in Canada in 2007.
About the month of July 2007 it started showing up on TigerDirect Canada.

It seems that many people in Canada are not too current in understanding Linux driven devices.
But 2008 will change all this.

Regards Robert

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Robert:

I think you are wrong.

There are lots of Canadians posting on this group. The problem has been buying the tablets in Canada. Nokia Canada refused to sell or service (I have an email from them) the 770 and only recently started carrying the N800 and N810.

If you wanted a tablet then you had to find a way to get one from the States and forgo any warranty service - which was kind of critical for the 770. I felt sick whenever I thought I might have had a white screen of death ...

I am not sure that I would count availability from TigerDirect.ca as a good signal that the N8xx has finally arrived in Canada. Now, if I saw them over the counter in FutureShop ...

Cheers,

Don.

Nokia N800 from Dell.ca
Nokia 770 from Amazon.com;)

(Added): Whoops, sorry for the OT reply.

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ncix carries them as well, Dell, and ca.buy.com.

Here is what I see happening this year. Most of the MID's I'm seeing do have quite a bit to offer. Take a look at the 810. To me, in canadian dollars, it's usually 479-499, and I think it should be 329 tops. It's overpriced by a large margin. When Sony comes out with it's MID at 299, which has a keyboard, not to mention other MID's to follow, that 499 pricetag of the 810 is going to be crazy.

Then there's the itouch. Jailbreak it, and it's a cool device. A faster one too at 600+Mhz. Smaller screen yes ,but with it's install base and popularity I see it as growing much faster as the NIT's, and do not forget the hacking scene, which to me have always been more agressive then the open source scene. I expect to see an overwhelming amount of apps for hacked ipods in the next 12months.

Add everything together, and Nokia has got it's work cut out for it. it needs to get all of it's @#$@#% together RIGHT NOW, not next year, NOW or they'll be lost in a sea of competing and better internet tablets.

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Huh. I did NOT buy an iPhone nor iPod Touch specifically because the virtual keyboard implementation sucks. The N800's thumb keyboard at least lets you have a full screen app ... you just have to switch back and forth (which is both annoying and limiting). But the N810's keyboard is definitely an improvement over the N800.

The N810's keyboard could be a little better (more definite click feel, and softer pressure required), but that aspect of the N810 is a definite improvement over the N800. No more switching back and forth between thumb input and viewing the application itself. No having the usable screen space consumed by the keyboard (like the apple implementation). I wouldn't want to have to go back to a keyboard-less device.

The dpad placement, though, was definitely better on the N800. Put the N810's dpad back in that location, and add a second dpad on the right side (mirroring the first dpad's location), and give 3 of its buttons/directions the functions of the button cluster ... make the other two "soft buttons" (like the soft buttons on most cell phones), and all would be better.

But, whatever Nokia does, and for all of the things they SHOULD steal from the iPhone (finger friendliness), they absolutely should not steal the keyboard implementation from the iPhone. That aspect of the iPhone is absolute crap.

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What they should steal/borrow is the intelligent word guessing. That would be really useful :)

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They do have word guessing .. it's just not that intelligent :-)

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Yeah, but it beats not having one at all :D

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Greetings:

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong.

Maybe Nokia should be developing a Internet tablet that:

a) is thinner than the Ipod touch, but you can still change the battery.
b) has flash memory, like 16 gigs, or 32 gigs.
c) Universal voice translator, Intel showed a sample of this in their video at CES.
d) priced at about $250.00, without dreaming in colors.

Look all I know is that when it comes to cutting edge technology Nokia is always
out of the gate first.
But Apple seems to be the tread setter in new technology.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this.

Regards Robert

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The word guessing is at least good for a few laughs. Reminds me sometimes of some games of charades that I've played, with a team that doesn't really know each other...

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I'm guessing N900 will see Haptikos. They had 'almost perfected' that tech months ago..


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