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Just to have an idea how many users have been affected by this miserable shortcoming :rolleyes:

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no issues (4 weeks old N800, OS2008=

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Don't be shy... vote! :D

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Once, when the battery was dead because I left it playing MP3s all night by mistake...

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I voted based on my first N800, which was so bad that I finally returned it. My current N800 has had no problems, but I very seldom turn it off for fear it will freak out like the first one did.

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Clinically, that's called poweronphobia...

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OS2008 has a new program called Powerlaunch. I wonder if that has an effect on this issue? It gives you more choices after you hit the power switch, namely Soft poweroff. I wonder if that's better for those of you who have this problem? (I've never had it.)

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No option that I see for yes, with all of them.

Specifically, drain the battery of a device, plug in the charger, and try to start it with the charger in. In fact, 90% of the time I try to start it with the charger in, I get issues.

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Are you wanting the state of play before or after I reported the power issue as being a fault in the product, returned it and got a fully working one in exchange?

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Before, the idea is to have a magnitude of units affected despite you have a fully working one exchange.

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I am watching the poll with great interest, thanks for setting the poll up.

One simple comment, most users nowadays own more than one tablet, but you only allow to vote once, should you open up one more channel or should you allow people to vote more than once? BTW, I like polls simple and easy to read like this one, so please do not make it too complicate. Speak for myself, I have 770, which never ever have this power on problem and also, my N800, which power on is like flipping a coin....

I hate to re-iterate for those reading this thread and DO NOT have the power on problem, this is NOT just a nuisance, when you walking on the street and cannot find a plug and you know damn well there is battery juice but the thing just wont turn on....you got the picture.


bun

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i have the poweron problem on my n800. I was going to return it, but as i solved (temporarily) the problem with the "get it cold" solution, i was enjoying myself too much to return it just yet.. i guess i'll decide later, while the warranty is still up. Just need to remember not to shutdown ;)

but i guess this poll is going to show what we've been seeing all along, there are a lot of nokias out there with this problem.

I voted for the n800, but my 770 had the poweron problem also.

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....And got a "Working Refurbished" one in exchange in ~30+days.....


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Also the normal reason I shutdown my N800 is to fix the problem with using wireless after running Kismet or when my batt brains due to mp3 playback or long connections via SSHD when testing driver modules....

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I've tried to edit the poll but seems to be no way to do that at this stage. My fault, forgot the multiple IT's owners. Sorry.

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When you have the problem on road try taking the battery out for few minutes. Reinstall the battery and try turning it ON. Seems to have worked for me.

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Holding down the power button while the battery is removed please deplete any power remaining....

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[QUOTE=cthindi;128648]
akd: Do you know any programming? I have used the soft reboot more than 30 times in the last two days! I am really tire of typing the same 3 steps. I googled for linux batch programming and failed to get anything straight forward, there are 19 users having this problems, 1 of this 19 got to know some programming..... somebody? a simple batch for the 3 lines command and place an icon on the home page. TIA,

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xterm
sudo gainroot
shutdown -r now
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bun

Done, it is here, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...=12863&page=19, thread #186.

bun

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Bun: My only experience about programming was with my uncle's VCR in the 80's and was so bad that instead of recording outdoor shows he actually got XXX films recorded.
Seriously, I think each one have founded a non perfect solution for the power on problem. Mine (and never failed btw) is ten, twelve, fifteen short pushes on power button and then the magic blue led comes :)

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Critical option missing from poll (sigh): "Occasionally, and removing battery briefly and reinstalling solves it every time"

And if the battery is not the culprit (refer to thread indicating that it might be), then you need to return your device.

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IMHO isn't a missing option. If you have the problem, no matter how you can solve it your way, you have the problem. You can solve it removing battery, several pressings of power button, connecting to ac, pointing the power button to the south, etc etc...but still is not a normal, expected behaviour. And only can take the problem as occasionally, let's say, if it happened once, but think isn't the case.

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No problems so far with my 10 days old n800.

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Ummmmmm..........Can I quietly ask you in private..........Does your uncle still have the tape?..........sSSH. Nevermind;)


bun

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Try this: take your stylus out to press to on/off switch. Do not release it after you have counted 1001 1002 1003 1004 (4 sec). If you see the LED flashing then you should be ok!

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Well that's how Iboot my n800 the time, except for the stylus part. I hold the power button down until the screen lights up and it boots every time.

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I think the only thing the stylus gains you is a more postive pressing of the power button. That is not however a factor in wether the device boots or not. I do believe there is a time factor that you need to wait for the lights to come all the way (4 seconds). Ive seen some discussions about booting up with two quick presses being different than one long press, so that supports that it's significant.

This powerup issue is more complex than people not holding the power button down though. I've used mine for almost two months before I began to have the problem.

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I am afraid to say the problem is probably there since day 1, you simply did not turn it on/off frequent enough to notice. At least that is my feeling about my N800.



bun

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So far, it is 50-50. The chance you are having problem is almost like flipping a coin. I think the magnitude of this problem is much larger than what people think.


bun

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If it only refuses to turn on with a fully discharged battery and the charger plugged in, is that a problem or not?

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Yes, it is a problem.

Your tablet screen should be with something when it is plug in, either charging, Nokia logo, "your battery is full, please unplug to save energy", or whatever.

Did you vote, sir/madam? please help, thanks.


bun

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I'm pretty sure that the reason why the n800 doesn't restart sometimes is due to the fact that when you power off it doesn't power off all the way when the screen's blackened. You have to wait until the entire system's down to repower it which there's no easy way of knowing unless you were playing a music application in which the sound turns off.

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This program has created some power ON/OFF problems yes.
After removing it, everything is fine again.

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I agree with Quel on this. I run Linux on my desktop PC and it takes 20-30 seconds to shutdown. Allot of stuff happens during the shutdown like stopping services, cleanly unmounting filesystems, terminating all running applications.... On the internet tablet, the display is turned off early in the shutdown process. It continues shutting down for a while after the display blanks.
Wait 30 seconds after a shutdown before turning it back on. You turn it on with a long 4 - 5 second push on the power button. This design feature prevents the tablet from accidentally powering on in your pocket if the power button is bumped.

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How about a one hour wait? Two hour wait? If it were only 30 seconds, then that would be great.

In my case, sometimes it's a 5 second wait, sometimes it's hours. And yes, I am holding down the power button.

This problem is not a failure on the part of the users, that they've not figured out that you need to hold the power button down, it's an acknowledged software/hardware compatibility problem that doesn't occur in all cases.

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Since I got my n810 I have not had any problems, that is until last week after a software reflash. Now the tablet regularly has issues. I think it is pretty clear that this is a software problem, so perhaps it may be fixed one day.

So I did not post just to complain. I believe I have found a pretty consistent work around.

The solution (albeit ugly) is as follows:

step 1: for whatever reason you have shutdown

step 2: obviously, try at least once to power up as normal.

step 3: if it remains dead just put it down and plug in the power cord. The charging operation actually required a minimal startup in order to show the cute charging graphics. You will notice that after about 10 seconds the screen flickers a little and shows the icon with the word "charging".

step 4: You should now be able to power up normally.

N.B. I have had 100% success with this little fix. The obvious problem is doing this on the go (away from your charger). I have gotten this to work with all charging methods:

- OEM Power cord
- Car charger
- USB charging adapter
- Proporta gadget Power Pack.

It appears that the power cord can reliably trigger the minimal startup levels required for charging. Once at this point the button listener seems to function fairly well. I hope this helps out some of the frustration. This is clearly not a permanent solution but at least fills the need.

I am not sure if someone else already posted something similar but I did not find it searching, and thought it might help someone out.

Cheers

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I've had to send back my first N800 device, because it was only possible to switch it on, when the battery was removed the 4 hours before.
I tried that a few times.
remove battery -> wait 3h -> battery inserted -> nothing
remove battery -> wait 4h -> battery inserted -> device starts

The charger wasn't able to start the device.

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I have 2 n800s and have no problems of turning on/off.
I use the stylus and press HARD and hold it the left side of the on/off switch for a good
4 or 5 secs or until I see the the IT turns the light on.
It works 100% of the time but the time to wake up varies!

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I've got TWO N800 so far with similar power won't on problem.(The 1st one I got on Jan. 11 from an online store(NCIX), I sent it back, paid the shipping myself, got the 2nd one on Feb. 4).
I don't understand why so many ppl having the similar problem yet no one make the complain to nokia. And simply sent your old one back can NOT solve the problem. You might end up getting another defective device just like me. And nokia canada really sucks. They don't even admit this existing problem. see what they said:
"we are unable to duplicate the problems you are experiencing with
your Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Nokia does not comment on forums and
third party web site comments." Totally bureaucratic craps, and they asked me to send it to nokia US for repair, but they won't even send it back to canada after the fix because all n800 sold in canada are US model. I can only ask my friend in US to get it for me........
And I've contacted the retailer, they can only refund me for the device but I'll have to pay the shipping myself! I was so frustrated and angry and ............
I just checked the vote, out of 132 ppl, 55 have the similar power on problem, which is over 40%, yet nokia dosen't admit it!
So only if you guys all send a complain to nokia, it will take us customers seriously and try to find a fix quickly! And by the way, be careful about putting the device into a fridge, it'll void the warranty (I was told by a customer representative).

Or should we all try to file a group complain together?

By the way, for those considering buying N800, I highly recommend NOT to buy it, at least for now, it seems the whole batch(after 2008) is not right.

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N800 arrived this morning. Charged it all day. Powered up/down a couple of times...no problem. Just tried to start the OS2008 upgrade process and it won't turn on. I feel like a jackass researching this thing for so long, then finally buying it, and now I'm sitting here with a brick. Great product.

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Just let it sit for a while. I hear leaving it on the charger and waiting a bit will get it to start up in time, then you can turn it all the way on from there. It is not a brick, though. A brick will never work again without intervention from the manufacturer, this is not the case here.

Nokia is currently testing a fix that will be released with the next firmware update, so just leave the device on all the time in the meantime (use shutdown -r now to reboot if you need to)—the software fix will be here soon enough.

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Or just 'reboot' (as root), which is a command that does basically the same as 'shutdown -r now'.