Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Hi, folks,

I've got an OS2008 N800, and I like it a lot (can't wait for Abiword to be packaged for OS2008). The one thing I'm really missing though, on the tablet, is a single-pane outliner, like Tkoutline (http://tkoutline.sourceforge.net/wiki/)

Does anyone know of such an outliner (not a 2-pane outliner like Notecase, for organizing data, but a single-pane outliner, for writing papers &c) for the N800? Alternately, does anyone know if TKoutline might work on the N800?

Cheers,
Jon

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Maemopad+ might do what you need.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

- i have run some legacy (circa '96) tcl/tk clients via MaemoTK:

http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gn...k/maemoTk.html

have a happy!

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

I'd like a SINGLE-pane outliner. dubwise suggested above MaemoPad+, but it (like Notecase and others I've seen for Maemo) are TWO-pane outliners.

linux_author's suggestion -- maemoTk -- is a Single-Pane outliner, but I can't get it to work. Maybe because it was built for Bora and I'm using Diablo?

To be clear, here's a pic of a single-pane outliner (TKoutline):

http://tkoutline.sourceforge.net/tkoutline-0.65.png

Does anyone know of a single-pane outline program for the Tablets running Diablo?

Or could you tell me (a non-coding non-Linux-but-for-a-little-on-the-tablet user) how to remedy this error:

(I installed all these, as seemed to be required: gnocl-0.9.90-3_armel.deb and tcl8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb and tk8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb)

(If anyone is reading this who uses Classic Mac emulation, I could send you an OLD program called MindWrite, a great wordprocessor/outliner; maybe I'll put in Basilisk and try emulation, but I haven't yet. If anyone wants the best single-pane outliner -- and so much more -- for Windows, look for a free download of EccoPro. Or ask me.)

(Another aside: here's a single-pane outliner specifically for the iPhone.)

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Wouldn't Conboy do this for you?

Tim

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Thanks, Tim, I've been following Conboy since Conny first mentioned it, but it's not a replacement for an outliner.

I can see how my pictured sample could make Conboy look more relevant than it is. Its repeated reference to hyperlinks is a red herring. And what appears as bulleted lists aren't the essence. What matters is that there are multiple levels of indents and that you can hide -- "collapse" -- and unhide sublevels, which allows you to readily change focus from the Big Picture to the details of subcategories and then back again. It also simplifies navigation.

In the pictured outline, the great majority of its content is in a hidden state.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

( There was such an outliner for the Psion, a geat tool! )

Exactly what is needed for our NITs !!

I have been looking for a good outliner a long time.
( Guess I will take a look at MaemoTK.)

NoteCase could, of course, be used for writing long texts.
It's tree structure would work as a replacement for the hide/unhide function.
Subnodes would simulate indentation.
( It might even be better for the overall organizing of a long text, as nodes can be easily moved.)
For writing and editing it would probably be quite a bit more cumbersome.

EDIT: Notecase can be toggled to right (text) pane occupying the whole screen.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Emacs with org-mode does exactly what you want... but YMMV in terms of the interface etc! I bought my N800 for exactly this reason and this reason alone (everything else is a bonus).

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Looks like you need to download and install tk8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb and tcl8.5_0.6-1_armel.deb from here.

Then you download tkoutline-0.93.tar.gz from here. You then have to unpack tkoutline, like this:

Then you run
That should get you TKoutline. It isn't hildonized. I thought the tk toolkit would have at least given me an icon on the task switcher bar. Oh well...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3656/...002d36d4_o.png

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

You're right -- this appears to be exactly what I'm talking about. It doesn't look like a Maemo app (and Maemo is the only OS I've loaded so far). How are you running it on your N800?

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

If you use xprop on a program that isn't giving you a icon and make a desktop file for the program with the StartupWMClass set to the WMCLASS given to you by xprop, you can make it show up.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Warning those are bora files, last updated in 2007.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Yes, but they installed fine on my Diablo N800, using "dpkg -i" as root to install them. I don't know how they'd install via the App Manager.

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Cool! Any chance someone could package these correctly for the autobuilder?

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

I got maemoTk installed, entirely thanks to Qole's instructions. But Ican't say I found it worth it. Not Hildonized means not only no standard OSK, but really ugly and quick to crash.

Do y'all figure that Emacs with org-mode would likewise be ugly and sort of uncooperative on a NIT?

ballfresno, do you care to post a screenshot?

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Both files installed from my App Manager,
but the tk... file only after the tcl... file.
Haven't tried tkOutline yet . . .

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

I tried to install TKoutline.

Thanks Qole for that help !

Everything worked upto the command :
wish <install dir> ...etc.

My N810 (OS .43-7, int. card boot) complained :
/bin/sh: cannot open install: no such file

( I tried also from root, and from / and /home/user/ .)

"find -name install" finds two :
/mnt/initfs/usr/bin/install
/usr/lib/dpkg/methods/apt/install

I suppose something is missing in my tablet ?

TIA for any help !

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

KW, by the part after "wish" Qole is just directing you to the place that you downloaded the tkoutline file to.

If you installed to the default location, it would be


~ $ wish ~/MyDocs/tkoutline-0.93/bin/tkoutline.tcl

Re: Single-pane outliner (TKoutline?)
 

Thanks, GeraldKo !!

Me no speak linux, me beginner, me no grammer know.

Yeah, I still must have been pretty tired not to guess.
Where would we newcomers all be without this forum . . .