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Benson 2008-02-04 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138199)
Really. Interesting, well, I suppose my hunch was incorrect. In that case I'm going to say it'll be N8??. The second digit has to be 4-9, and the last will probably be 0, maybe 5 or 1. The vast majority of Nokia phones have 0 at the end.

But the N-series phones are not so %10-ish, and it's an N-series. If it's essentially either an N800 or an N810 with WiMAX stuffed in, then N801/811, N802/812 (to leave room for the SIM version:)), etc. would make sense. Still, Texrat said it's not what anyone would expect, and I have seen it referred to as a N801 before. I wouldn't put any money on this, ever, but could be going to 4 digits?

johnkzin 2008-02-04 22:51

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N8hahayoucouldn'tguessit!!!20

:-)

sjgadsby 2008-02-04 22:52

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Since it's going to be some time before WiMAX becomes widespread, I'm more interested to see what Nokia will put in their upcoming entry level tablet, the N008.

CyberCat 2008-02-04 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138213)
But the N-series phones are not so %10-ish, and it's an N-series. If it's essentially either an N800 or an N810 with WiMAX stuffed in, then N801/811, N802/812 (to leave room for the SIM version:)), etc. would make sense. Still, Texrat said it's not what anyone would expect, and I have seen it referred to as a N801 before. I wouldn't put any money on this, ever, but could be going to 4 digits?

Yeah, maybe it'll be N802.16e! (WiMax/WirelessMAN) :p

pipeline 2008-02-04 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 138220)
Since it's going to be some time before WiMAX becomes widespread, I'm more interested to see what Nokia will put in their upcoming entry level tablet, the N008.

ZWave IR Remote Technology... it'll be the N008Z and the sku for US/UK is N008Z-USUK

speculatrix 2008-02-05 00:22

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my vote would be the N810wu - for wimax usa, n810wc - wimax canada, 810wu - wimax uk, etc etc

wimax requires regional regulatory permissions, so I can see there will be national variants.

hope nokia fix the video bandwidth problem too, I see that as being just as important as more ram+flash!

ag2 2008-02-05 03:53

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Originally Posted by mwiktowy (Post 137932)
Kind of off topic for this thread but ...

It seems that the problem is not the hardware after all. The problem was a buggy gpsd (or buggy function feeding gpsd the date) that was giving the wrong date by exactly a day ... which cases the gps to cold start every single time.

The gpsd fix is only for warm starts. Cold starts are still in 2+ minute range. Cold fixes are the more important ones -- usually your GPS has been off for a while when you need to use it.

The problem _is_ in the hardware. As far as I can tell, the TI 5300 chip does not bother to store almanac data. The chip also requires at least 4 satellites to obtain a fix, when most (all?) other chips only need 3.

Quote:


Jussi Kukkonen found the problem and made a fixed deb available here:

Hey there :). Give me some credit too. I was the one to discover the problem. Jussi found a fix for it.

Texrat 2008-02-05 04:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138213)
Still, Texrat said it's not what anyone would expect

In hindsight I have to qualify that by saying not what most would expect. :D

CyberCat 2008-02-05 05:07

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So Texrat, how are our guesses so far? :D

Texrat 2008-02-05 05:08

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Um... which ones?

CyberCat 2008-02-05 05:15

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Um, all of them I guess! :D

Has anybody guessed the right name? Or at least gotten the first two or three characters correct?

Texrat 2008-02-05 05:26

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Okay. I'll say this: somewhere in this thread, a correct guess was made.

GeneralAntilles 2008-02-05 05:53

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 138352)
Okay. I'll say this: somewhere in this thread, a correct guess was made.

Damn guess spammers. . . .

CyberCat 2008-02-05 05:55

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Ok. Here is a complete list of every guess made in this thread. ONE of them is the name of the new tablet!

N008
N008Z


N770

N801
N802
N802.16
N802.16e


N810w

N810i

N810wu
N810wc
N810wu
N810+MM
N810+MM+WM
N810+WiMax

N811
N812
N820
N830

N880
N890


N900
N910


N(friggin sweet)

GP3X

P&|A
Pandora

E820

Netsucker
NaN


Very unlikely
Unlikely
Possible
Likely

That's 31 guesses. I think it's safe to say that it starts with N8* so that leaves only 16 possible options. If we cut out the repetitive ones we get down to about 7-9, and once we elimate the ones Texrat already said weren't right, that only leaves about 4 or so options. :rolleyes:

mwiktowy 2008-02-05 06:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ag2 (Post 138310)
The problem _is_ in the hardware. As far as I can tell, the TI 5300 chip does not bother to store almanac data. The chip also requires at least 4 satellites to obtain a fix, when most (all?) other chips only need 3.

Hmmm ... usually 4 satellites are needed for 3D fix and 3 are good enough for a 2D fix given a simple model of the Earth. I know my iBlue external GPS would give me a 2D fix until it finally resolved a full 3D fix. Perhaps that is the step that is missing with the N810s hardware that is giving the perception that it is taking a much slower time to finally complete the fix. Considering there doesn't seem to be anywhere in the included maps software that gives altitude, perhaps the hardware can be kicked into a different "2D" mode that would be sufficient for most ground navigating people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ag2 (Post 138310)
Hey there :). Give me some credit too. I was the one to discover the problem. Jussi found a fix for it.

Sorry ... I was just relaying info what I saw in Jussi's blog in response to someone's complaint about the built in GPS. Didn't mean to not give credit where credit is due ... kudos to your insight.

EIPI 2008-02-05 11:40

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 138352)
Okay. I'll say this: somewhere in this thread, a correct guess was made.

Guesses are fun. But it'd be more fun if Nokia/Maemo rewarded the correct guesser with the new tablet. Any thoughts Texrat on how to swing that idea within the Nokia organization?

Benson 2008-02-05 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138358)
Ok. Here is a complete list of every guess made in this thread. ONE of them is the name of the new tablet!

N008
N008Z


N770

N802
N802.16
N802.16e


N810w
N810i
N810wu
N810wc
N810wu
N810+MM
N810+MM+WM
N810+WiMax

N811
N820
N830

N880
N890


N900
N910


N(friggin sweet)

GP3X

P&|A
Pandora

E820

Netsucker
NaN


Very unlikely
Unlikely
Possible
Likely

That's 29 guesses. I think it's safe to say that it starts with N8* so that leaves only 16 possible options. If we cut out the repetitive ones we get down to about 7-9, and once we elimate the ones Texrat already said weren't right, that only leaves about 4 or so options. :rolleyes:

Here kitty, kitty, kitty!
Just curious how you ranked probability? presumably not taking TR's input, since you account that later, and also because you list N9xx as Unlikely, not Very unlikely.
Anyway, here's a couple you missed (emphasis added):
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138213)
If it's essentially either an N800 or an N810 with WiMAX stuffed in, then N801/811, N802/812 (to leave room for the SIM version:)), etc. would make sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 138218)
N8hahayoucouldn'tguessit!!!20

Perhaps we should move this to the wiki... ;)

Was this post the first time that !@$#% rat started ducking? Or did he just have to make a crack about GA's speed, and that was necessary for texture? AAAAaaaaaarrrggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Texrat 2008-02-05 13:50

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Hee hee hee hee hee.

:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 138419)
Guesses are fun. But it'd be more fun if Nokia/Maemo rewarded the correct guesser with the new tablet. Any thoughts Texrat on how to swing that idea within the Nokia organization?

No, sorry, this is not an official contest nor can I make it one. And I also can't acknowledge the winner...

EIPI 2008-02-05 14:09

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Thanks for your response, Texrat - It was worth a shot!

AFAICT from info to-date, only US customers will benefit from the WiMAX edition. Will other countries will have progressive releases after the initial launch in the US?

sjgadsby 2008-02-05 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138358)
Here is a complete list of every guess made in this thread.

I'm not sure whether I'm getting more enjoyment from almost all my suggestions being ranked as "very unlikely" or from "N008" not ranking that way.

CyberCat 2008-02-05 17:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138472)
Here kitty, kitty, kitty!
Just curious how you ranked probability? presumably not taking TR's input, since you account that later, and also because you list N9xx as Unlikely, not Very unlikely.
Anyway, here's a couple you missed (emphasis added):

Hi Benson, sorry I missed those (I could have sworn I had added them), they have been added to the list now. Also changed the N9*s to very unlikely based on texrat's post, I hadn't realized he had confirmed that it is absolute no N9*, I thought he had said something like "it's probably not N9*" so I didn't want to roll anything out.

Also changed *i to unlikely since that would imply that they just added internet.

Let me know on any other corrections/additions, and if you think something should be rated higher/lower.

Kozzi 2008-02-05 17:26

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 138497)
I'm not sure whether I'm getting more enjoyment from almost all my suggestions being ranked as "very unlikely" or from "N008" not ranking that way.

N008 makes me think of possible N007 edition of IT for coming soon James Bond movie :P

CyberCat 2008-02-05 17:34

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Out of the items on the list I don't think it will have the N810* prefix, since I think Nokia will want to make a better distinction of it. Also I doubt it will have a LOWER number since that will make it sound like an older model (unless we're losing features??) N802* is a good guess for the WiMax designation, but I don't know, lower model number? I still think it's gonna be the N880, it has a nice sound to it (better than N890). N811, N812 and N890 are good guesses to, very possible certainly, but the N880 still sounds better to me.

Michiel 2008-02-05 17:58

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Couldn't the new name be like the N-Gage naming. Like N-Tablet or someting?

Texrat 2008-02-05 18:29

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<joke> yes, it's the N-wii </joke>

<no joke> oh, and N810wu is listed twice. Hmmm... why did I key on that? </no joke>

CyberCat 2008-02-05 18:33

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So how correct is the list, Texrat? Is it one of the "likely" ones?

Texrat 2008-02-05 18:34

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Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138609)
So how correct is the list, Texrat? Is it one of the "likely" ones?

Other than the duplicate I mentioned, it looks very nice and colorful.

CyberCat 2008-02-05 18:38

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That's because the person mentioned it twice. [U]nited states and [U]nited Kingdom.

Texrat 2008-02-05 18:39

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Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138615)
That's because the person mentioned it twice. [U]nited states and [U]nited Kingdom.

Then maybe it should be N810wus and N810wuk. Wait-- those don't sound good...

CyberCat 2008-02-05 18:39

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So, Is it one of the "likely" ones? :D

Texrat 2008-02-05 18:48

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Is what one of the likely whats?

CyberCat 2008-02-05 18:53

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Is the name of the new WiMax/WirelessMAN tablet that Nokia is making called one of the following names:

N802
N810w
N811
N880
N890

Texrat 2008-02-05 19:10

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Anything's possible!

Benson 2008-02-05 19:16

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Including slithering through the internet and strangling a certain uncooperative rat! (It's like a bunch of tubes, you know.)

GeneralAntilles 2008-02-05 19:16

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Originally Posted by Michiel (Post 138590)
Couldn't the new name be like the N-Gage naming. Like N-Tablet or someting?

Aside from the brand-baggage associated with the name, and the fact that N-Gage is no longer a hardware thing, but a platform/application thing, this is incredibly unlikely.

ITOS in its current state from Nokia just doesn't have what it needs to fit into the N-Gage platform—we'd be getting a lot more rumblings on the software side if things were going that direction. Besides, gamers are about the last guys who are going to have the money/interest for WiMAX.

Although I don't see it happening soon, I certainly wouldn't be against an ITOS gaming device. :D

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138646)
Including slithering through the internet and strangling a certain uncooperative rat! (It's like a bunch of tubes, you know.)

Maybe we can get it out of him if we raise enough money for him to retire comfortably after he leaks all of Nokia's secret hax. :D

Texrat 2008-02-05 19:20

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 138646)
Including slithering through the internet and strangling a certain uncooperative rat! (It's like a bunch of tubes, you know.)

We rats excel at tube navigation. Do your worst!!!

/me shakes fist-- er, paw.

CyberCat 2008-02-05 19:26

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 138641)
Anything's possible!

So is that a yes?

sjgadsby 2008-02-05 19:30

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Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138653)
So yes?

Sheesh, you just keep trying to bring this thread back to something approaching on topic. Come on, the rest of us are attempting to discuss Texrat's prowess at navigating tubes, and...ugh, unclean!

Texrat 2008-02-05 19:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCat (Post 138653)
So is that a yes?

Is what a yes?

Greyghost 2008-02-05 22:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 138662)
Is what a yes?

O that makes my kids *crazy* when I do that! :D


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