770 Or N800?
 

Hello, I have an opportunity to buy the 770 for 100$ CAN. Is it worth it or should I buy the N800 . Is there a huge performance difference for twice the price?

Many thanks

Al

Re: 770 Or N800?
 

Yes, the N800 is a lot faster than the 770.

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The 770 was great in it's time, but the N800 is faster, supports significantly more storage (2x SD/SDHC up to 16 or 32 GB each vs. 1x RS-MMC up to 2 GB), and has a larger application library than the 770. Definitely worth the price premium.

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I have and enjoyed the N770, N800 and now the N810 and all are great. As you did not state what your needs are it is hard to say which is the wiser one for you. If you are tight on $ and only wish the basic (yet great) video/music/learn about the "IT" then the N770, if you also want the best all around (w/o the HE version on the N770 - e.g. skype/etc) then the "bang for the buck" wiser move would be the N800, however, the N810 is "cool" and while I find the GPS a major disappointment, yet all else a great step forward. So, if it was me - IF $ - is the top filter I would go for the N800. whichever you get they all are outstanding.

As a side note, I spent hundred of hours to get the N770 to equal the N800, and as my N82's GPS (running TomTom) is outstanding I have not spent much time on working on the N800/N810 GPS. Mostly due to it not working very well on the 7 day trial - if they gave 30 days I might have been able to get a better feel for it. Even if I was to work on getting the N800/N810 to work on Maemo Maps like the TomTom, I would STAY AWAY from Nokia's software both due to my feeling it is a ripped-off solution ($150 for lease vs $150 forever - a 3 yr auto lease is about 1/10th the cost of the auto bring the Nokia's worth $15 or tops $25 not $150) and found it poor in function compared to the easy of TomTom.

Cheers,
:)

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The N800 is a much better choice:

-much faster processor
-much more RAM
-more hardware features such as stereo speakers and two SD card slots
-still fully supported by Nokia
-it's technically identical to the N810, the latest tablet
-because it's identical you can update it to OS 2008, which is the latest version of the tablet OS

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I'm new here myself, but I hope you won't me adding my input. :)

As everyone has already stated, it really depends on what you'll be using it for.

For basic email checking, and web browsing, a Nokia 770 for 100can is a great deal. The N770 still packs a punch, especially if you install Minimo and Claws mail. (It saved me from purchasing a N810.)

I use my N770 to edit my blog, to check other blogs, to view some forums and of course to get my gmail on the go. Not to mention listening to internet radio (Soma FM) while chilling out in the local coffee shop! :)

But if you want to view youtube videos easily, or use it as a portable media center, I reckon the N800 is the best bet. I had the N800 for a week, on a loan from a friend while I was considering getting one. And I have to say, it's a great device.

It all boils down to what you'll be using it as. :)


SOLIDUS

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Not to sure where you plan on buying one, and i cant really give details, but if you are still in the price shopping mode,
check out tigerdirect.com if your in the states or tigerdirect.ca
i'm getting the 800 and it was 229.

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One thing to bear in mind is that the N800 has been heavily discounted in many regions, and here in Finland it can actually cost less than the 770. However, you can't find the N800 or 770 easily because the N810 has taken over.

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I finally got to hold an N800 last weekend and put it side by side my 770. See if you can search for comparison videos, seriously. While my 770 was coughing and wheezing trying to scroll through a web page, the N800 did it like it was a walk in the park. It even seemed bored. Then it scoffed at me.

If you want a faster, more usable, smug (grrr) tablet, get an N800. If you want it's slower younger brother that was hit by a car when he was young and can walk but not quite right but people don't say anything and just admire his stronger points, get the 770.

(It's worth the extra hundred bucks for the N800 though in my opinion.)

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Sorry Hedgecore, I disagree. (Of course, it's all up to what the user needs.) For example, installing minimo onto the 770 makes the browsing experience so much smoother. (Primarily because it's more updated and more ajax friendly.)

I'll agree, the 800 (400mhz) is faster then the 770 (250mhz), but for basic web browsing (blogging) you don't need a super fast machine.

Of course, I may just be biased. :)

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Thanks guys, decided to get a eee pc, :p

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*shudder*

Minimo? You're kidding . . . right? :rolleyes:

Trust me, having extensively used both machines. The N8x0s are lightyears ahead of the 770.

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Soldius: Speaking from specs alone, anything done on the 770 applied on the N800, the N800 will be faster.

I'm not sure the original poster was thinking in the context of hacking the hell out of either new tablet either. :)

(My sister just got an N800 and I finally got to hold one. For a few minutes I actually thought about buying one but I think I'll still hold out for Stage 5.)

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I must be. :rolleyes:

That's true Hedgecore. But the question also is, will the N770 do what the OP wants it to do? If it is, then I'd purchase the N770 and save the extra 80-100+ dollars.

But in the long run, that might be a bad idea. The 770 has an extremely weak processor. The N800 has 400mhz after the OS2008 update unlike the measly 250mhz the N770 has. So the N800 will age nicer and play better with new websites. :)

So I suppose the N800 would be the best choice. :D

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So now I find I am in the situation where I could upgrade to a N800. Is it a must have upgrade from the 770 or not?

I upgraded the 770 to 2007HE, and apart from the wireless no longer working and the change of image, I really can't see that much of a change (well, other than I can use the official version of aisle riot rather than my own compiled one). Is it just the speed, and the upgrading to 2008 processor speed, does that reduce battery life?

I also (as I stated before) really love the form factor of the 770, especially the cover, and not a great fan of the 800. So I guess I need a reason that outweighs a design without a built in screen cover.

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120% yes!

Speed is a big part of it . . . a really big part of it, it's also more storage (2GB rs-mmc versus two 32GB SDs ;)) and RAM, and a better screen. The OS2008 update introduces frequency scaling (between 165MHz and 400MHz), so battery life is more variable and dependent on how you use it. If it's a lot of very light use, your battery life will be a little better than OS2007, if it's a lot heavy use, it'll be a little worse.

For most users, though, it's a very small net gain in battery life.

Kickstand > Hardcover

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Um, the processor is twice as fast, the overall performace is more than twice. Video has the same performance, however mplayer starts faster :).

You have twice the memory, which makes for a BIG difference - you can open ten browser windows in OS2008 without much of a hassle, on OS2008HE maybe two before the slowdown. Of course you can open more on OS2007HE opera, but the NIT Opera is quite limited experience.

+ You have radio :) Not that i use it.

I think i'm missing more things... 2xSDHC cards, 2xinternal flash (not enough too :) You can even play flash, though not very good.

Maybe someone can add more, but the things i mentioned are more than a reason for me to upgrade...

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Lies! My N800 plays way more stuff (and at much higher resolutions and bitrates) than my 770s.

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Yeah, it can go different resolutions, but its not too much better (read at least 640x480). ;P

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ok, the speed without sacrificing battery life are good things I am interested in.
Not so worried about video, apart from flash, as music and video playing are handled by the iPod (and I happy with it that way).
I like the stand idea too (especially as I have a bluetooth keyboard. Is the 2008 upgrade a free one?

Do you mean there is a hardcover included or do you have to buy one? That is one of the things I like on the 770, the integrated hard cover (especially as it puts it to sleep).

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Every OS upgrade is free.

No hardcover, sorry, though there is some kind of sock thing. :)

Separate hardcover shouldn't be too pricey.

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seriously buy the n800.......... its really really better than the n770. It is well worth the upgrade!!

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wireless no longer working? Do you use some special type of authentication? Wireless is same or better with 2007HE for me. At least you can tune WLAN power saving timeout. OS2006 uses 1 second (1000ms), with OS2007 you can go down to 200 or 100ms which can save power (but breaks some flaky routers and slows transfer rates).


IMO the most important upgrade is not the CPU speed but the RAM. 64 is really not much for bloated system like Maemo. 128 is just about fine. I guess more RAM improves overall system response more that raising clock from 252 to 330 or 400MHz since the system no longer swaps so much and more stuff remains cached. With 770 you just boot system and more than half RAM is used, then you launch browser, open some bigger page and all RAM is gone, buffers are flushed and system starts to swap.

Of course higher cpu speed and FPU is a bonus as is the second SD slot.

So unless you are 100% satisfied with 770 go for N800 (or N810 if you don't mind the money and only one memory slot like with 770).

770 is still OK if not stressed much. Web browsing speed of 2007HE + Opera engine feels similar to microb engine with N8x0/OS2008. But let's hope newer firefox engine in Diablo will bring the Opera on N800/OS2007 speed back.

When I got N800 I still used 770 quite a lot and took it everywhere because of the cover and size. Now when I have N810 too I switched 770 for N810. N800 have no good cover and is a bit bulky so I'm using it only at home for couch/bed/toilet browsing and watching movies (full size SDHC slots!). N810 have keyboard, is smaller, has adequate cover and even have GPS so it is best outdoors.

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no. But it wouldn't matter if I did, no wirless networks show up at all, whereas before there were at least a few, and I think at least one was open. It appeared the first time I booted it, set it up and then no networks appeared ever again.

The N810 isn't even an option. I can get a N800 for £100, which makes it a reasonable toy. The N810 is way over £200 pretty well everywhere, for which it would need a clear use (which I haven't got).

Hmm.. not so good then. I like the 770 case. I don't need it for home, as the laptop is fine for that.

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Personally, I think the hardcover is overrated. Unless you're keeping your N800 in the pocket with your keys and your jacks set, then there really isn't much of a risk to the screen. The N800 is faster to get to and put away than the 770, as a long (or double-press) on the power button (well, as soon DSME patches make it into an update if you don't want to use powerlaunch) is quicker than flipping and unflipping the hardcover.

Besides, the huge usability improvement from the various spec upgrades more than outweights any issues one might have with the hardcover.

Regarding the wireless network issue, have you considered a reflash?

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I changed a 770 for a n800 4 month ago. I miss the automatic sleep-mode enabling hardcover. I always used the 770 with the OEM OS2006; it was rock solid and never had a limitation on web browsing. I don't care much about youtube and the n800 is still not a perfect youtube viewer (choppy playback while it download the video) but the n800 gave me the web-cam, a crappy fm radio and a faster cpu.... so what ? the 770 played the resized DVDs perfectly well and was a lot less prone to broken screens with that hardcover.

the main reason I sold the 770 was nokia dropping OS support. 4 month later, I can tell you it was not a good reason as OS2008 is not A LOT better than OS2006 when you use the tablet as is for video-mp3-web

My call : keep the 770+OS2006 until the n810 can be found at a better price; unless you are a youtube or web2.0 freak

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I guess I will try reflashing it.

I rate hardcovers. I am not someone who is prepared to carefully put something somewhere. Whatever I carry has to go in my bag with all the other stuff that will get thrown in there. The 770 is good for that. The TC1100 was good as it had a glass screen (well, still has!).

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You sure we used the same device? OS2006 was certainly not "rock solid", and the web browser most certainly was limited—that old Opera could barely handle any dynamic sites.

. . . and twice the RAM, flash, and (by current memory card sizes) 32 times the storage.

So what indeed. A much, much better browsing experience and improved usability across the board.

I respectfully, but heartily, disagree.

What, exactly, is the advantage of the N810 over the N800, in your use case, that would merit its recommendation over the N800?

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the keyboard but I hate the move to mini-sd. (anyway I made myself an autoswitching USB cable for a regular keyboard on the n800)

but as I told you; it's my experience, your mileage may vary.

GeneralAntilles, you are using the tablet as a power user (as I was with the 770) but now I'm more a casual user on the n800 that never dropped to the n800's console or installed more than "Camera" and "FM Radio" on the n800. So to me, not much difference between the 770 and the n800, both play mp3, video, rss and offer a non diluted and non mobile phone type internet experience.

I sold my used 770 160$ (paid 160$ new)to get a 200$ n800; that was a good move. But selling a 770 for 75$ to get a 230$ n800 might not be a wise move if you don't need more than what the 770 is giving you. ask yourself is the money spent worth a 20% faster loading webpage ? I'm not ADHD to that point; I can wait 1 or 2 seconds longer to get to the webpage.


BTW, OS2006 was rock solid until I added a lot of more or less usefull applications and various plugins. Out of the box it was reliable for me.


your mileage may vary

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Personally, I agree with SMOG. Although, there's a huge caveat that I don't have and haven't used an 800.

But I have my 770 with OS2006. I don't know that I'd use the phrase rock solid, but I've had very few problems with the OS. I was always planning on upgrading to 2007HE or 2008HE, but I just haven't found the need to do that. 2006 has been fine for me.

I use mine for web browsing, fbreader, movies (infrequently), music, and lots of shell/terminal stuff. (And some games and Maemo Mapper)

I have a 1GB card I use for Maemo Mapper and a 2GB I use for regular usage with music/videos.

The main reasons I stopped using my Axim and moved to the 770 were screen size for web browsing and the cover.

I realize some people don't think the cover is a big deal. And that's great for them. For me, the cover was the selling point, and it's still a huge plus for me.

Faster/more memory would be nice. But I love the form factor of the hard cover, and I don't think I'll change until (if) I find a similar cover for the other models.

And I'm happy enough with my 770 that it's not a big deal if they don't and I stay with my 770.

And with the Youtube plugin on Canola, I can have all my Weird Al videos from Youtube on it now. :-)

It's not an iPhone, and it's not cutting edge, but it does what I want, and for me and some others, it's pretty stable.

desiv

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It's way more than a 20% jump (almost a 100% jump in MHz, and more than that in performance due to the presence of an FPU and general processing improvements of the OMAP2 versus the OMAP1).

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but your opinion isn't really valid until you have some sort of basis for comparison—using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770. ;)

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I'm sorry, but for me, the total page rendering speed including downloading the page is not more than 20% faster on the n800. ( no i'm not on dial-up ;) )

that's an opinion, as valid as any other opinion; it's a fact the n800 is technologicaly better than the 770. Stretching the comparison, a Chevette will take your everywhere a Viper can go; just a bit slower (ok, a lot slower in that case)

for the main question :

if you can afford the 100$ extra, go for the n800. if you fell you are stretching your budget and will have to eat Kraft dinner for the next 3 month, buy the 770, it's a very good device worth more than 100$.

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For me it was keyboard, usable cover, size, display readable outside with no backlight and also gps as a small bonus. N800 is about same size (well, slightly thicker) as 770 with cover attached. For taking it with me anywhere I would need to buy additional cover which costs something and would make the device even bigger. As 770 was good enough I never felt it is worth the hassle to take N800 outside. N810 cover is not as sturdy as 770 but at least fits perfectly and is not dangerous to the device so I am finally not afraid to take it with me and advantages over 770 are finally obvious.

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>I don't want to sound like a jerk, but your opinion isn't really valid until you have some sort of basis for comparison—using the N800 is so much more pleasant than using the 770.

Well, actually, you still do. You know, just saying you don't want to do something, and then doing it anyway, might even be worse. But I've read you're other threads, so :-) :-)

However, I was stating my opinion to the original poster, and I was fully disclosing my status.
You might not think my opinion matters, but he might. And he might not, se la vie.

You should ask yourself why you think it's important for other people's opinions to have less value than yours? You really shouldn't have to compensate.. You're opinions are just as valid as everyone else's.

desiv
;)

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Well, while browsing you are mostly waiting for network. Stock 770 felt slow to me in almost everything but 770 booted from MMC with 48MHz mmc speed and swap enabled is good enough. And now you can fit 8GB microSDHC so even space is OK. FPU is still not used much in current system (because most code is compiled to thumb mode which does not get along well with VFP) so it is not such big advantage.

Overall it is true that N800 is faster and still has much room to grow while 770 is already maxed out so we can't expect further miracles. But still I wonder how webkit or newer firefox engine would run on 770, there is some chance it could be good replacement for Opera, current microb in 2007HE is not.

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I humbly DISAGREE. The 770 is an edge better in streaming video under videocenter. I have N810, N800 X3, and 770. However, I am just an end user, not much technical, so please dont jump on me :rolleyes:.

The 5 tablets are ALL maintained by myself and pretty much running all the latest OS, except the 770 which is running the 2007He (2007.26-8? the one before the 2008 release). Under Videocenter, especially my favorite Catie Koric of CBS evening news, the whole 30 min news streaming is silk smooth and enjoyable till the last frame on the 770, while the N800 and N810 will run for less than a minute and start choking, stuttering, and let it go for 5 min, sometimes it just gives a black screen with audio continue, no video at all. This is streaming on N800 or N810. So, I download the file. Again, on 770, watching the downloaded file is silk smooth. While the N800 and N810 is doing fine at the beginning and it starts to drop frames, stuttering etc after 10 min or so. ABC or NBC is even worst. Somehow the CBS encoding/server or whatnot is the best for the tablet.

Bottomline:
I can watch a 30 min CBS streaming on 770 while I cannot even enjoy a downloaded 30 min CBS news on the N800 or the N810.
The above are all tested under similar conditions: all freshly booted without any other program running.
All are MMC booted.....................umm, you going to ask me how about internal flash boot? have not tried yet, will post later...

BTW, I complaint about the videocenter on the N8x0, I do think the N800 is a much better buy then the 770, many order of magnitude better. I think the videocenter thing is a software issue which eventually going to be work out....likely by Bundyo again, his mplayer rc2 thread.




bun

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I second with all my 10 fingers and, take off my shoe, my 10 toes.


bun

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Might be worth trying. Having system on mmc can sometimes cause audoi stuttering. At least with stock media player or internet radio applet, not sure about mplayer. The problem is that since 2.6.18 kernel, mmcqd kernel thread has higher priority than audio daemon so with random mmc writing audio may stutter. If you hear this try to run as root to check if it goes away. Good place to run it is somewhere inside /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh script which is run after mmc card is inserted. I have mentioned this few times but nobody ever complains about it so maybe it happens just to me :-)

As for 770 being better in smooth playback, maybe kernel preemption helps too. N8x0 kernel is not preemptible so latency in kernel may be higher.

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I am sorry that I misused the word 'stuttering'. I mean video 'stuttering', the audio is fine on all the tablets, but the video starts to go bad after couple of minutes run on streaming data or 6-7 minutes run upon watching a downloaded file. This is the N8x0. Whereas the 770 is silk smooth both audio and video on both streaming or downloaded files. The point I try to make is, bandwidth does not seem to be the culprit, and sadly to say, with the current status of the videocenter, the 770 seems to be slightly better than the N8x0s :(

The kernel preemption may be the solution, I will give a shot after I understand it, right now I am trying to run under internal flash and see whether the N8x0s fair better, just a few seconds, I will post.....
bun

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i ve used both. The n800 is definitely well worth the money it is going at presently.
Just get it.