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Hi,

Since I upgraded from beta5maemo2 to beta5maemo4 I get multiple albums displayed for the same artists. This also occured in beta2 if I am correct but then worked correctly in beta3. Is anyone else experiencing this too?

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Nif

My understanding of how to cleanup all songs in your Canola2 database.

1) Go to Settings Menu (Click on the Settings Icon in main menu)
2) Media Library
3) Audio Folders
4) Uncheck ALL folders (click in the eye to remove the check mark)
5) Back to main menu (you will see the "Updating Database" message)
6) Back to settings and re-check the Audio Folders
7) Back to main menu.
8) Done

Hopefully this will resolve issues you have with multiple copies of a album where/when different artist have contributed to tracks on the album etc.
It seems to have worked for me and I am now happy with Maemo4 of Canola2 Beta 5 and my album art based views :)

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MikeL,

Thx for your suggestion. I tried as you said but that didn't solve it. I also did the cleanup and reinstall, but no luck neither. It is not a big deal, but it is a nuisance since it worked well in the previous version.

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Hi Nif : did you try the "multiple album entries?" it can fix also this problems, but we will take a look, I know it must be happening because we re-wrote the whole scanner. Is not finding more music but some old bugs could have returned.

let me know if " multiple entries" solves your problem, if not can you send 2 or 3 of the mp3s that gets duplicated? We will fix it asap if we find that is a problem.

BR

Marcelo

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Right now (beta5), there is no support for this feature (restore position), but it'll be there on beta6.

Thanks

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Handful,

Thanks for your feedback. I did try the multiple album entries, but it didn't show me any albums to consolidate.

No problem in sending you the mp3's, but what is the best way to do this?

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Excellent!! I like to throw a couple recorded shows from my mythtv box on my n800 in the morning, but rarely have one-hour gaps of time to watch them in... this will be a *great* feature!

Thanks for the reply!

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Hello there!
Im new to Canola 2, i just downloaded the beta 5 and i experience podcast feed error, but some other load with no problems.

The one that never loads is http://www.cadenaser.com/rssaudio/larguero.html, posting just in case helps to improve the podcast

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HI Sombra, thanks for the feed URL that is failing, we have a "page" of testing podcast that we use as "proof" and I have added yours.

this will improve not only canola but the feedparser for python that we use!

Thanks again

Marcelo

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One thing I noticed after using the clean-up tool for the past 2 upgrades was that My N800 would no longer recognize my networked shared folders...
The only way to bring 'em back was to do a re-flash and re-install C2.
Am I unique, or is there someplace else I should be looking for a cause?

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A small problem with the podcast UI:

Some podcast episodes are chopped in to many chapters not labelled by date. For example, http://www.sciencefriday.com/feeds/radio/

Over time it becomes very confusing to determine which chapter belongs to which episode. If the date of download or release were available, that would help, but there is no way to see this with the current UI.

Any suggestions for a workaround?

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Hi Pk11, is not public yet, but we added : description, date, and label for "new"
Sorry for the inconvenience, we are improving little bit little :) So this is will be in beta6

Marcelo

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Hi yodude :

Let me clarify: Canola clean up was developed solely for those users who don't know how to become root / use SSH. It does the following :

apt-get remove canola
apt-get remove (canola dependencies)
apt-get update (make sure everything is in place)

That's it. Nothing more, we don't touch any thing related to networking / or the network infrastructure. We just remove a couple of things.

Of course, we could have made a mistake, but several users have used it and that's the first time we hear that. I hope it's just a coincidence, but if you provide more information, we can try simulating mounting here after a cleanup. If it's a bug of our side we will run and fix it as it's outside canola and we don't want to break others things then our own :)

Cheers

Marcelo

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I've been enjoying using Canola2, but have come across a few issues. I found this podcast, http://lenswork.com/podcast.xml, which is pretty cool, but I can't get it to play in Canola. I can dl it with canola, but it won't play. I can play it with the default media player.

I tried to let canola see it as regular audio, but it wouldn't play it that way either. Which brings about my second issue. All of the genres that appeared when I told canola to see the podcast folder didn't disappear when I unchecked those folders. Now there are empty genre folders in the list.

I look forward to every new update. Thanks for the great wotk

hal

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I've found a little UI bug. It's in the volume bar - white box that is behind .png with «slices» is incorrectly positioned. It grabs 1 bottom pixel of higher slice. I think you got what I'm talking about :)

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Hi Wazd, yeah, we "sliced" and positioned all themes again. I will double check to see if this was fixed, the blue theme showed a lot of small glitches in the green and grey.

Br

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A few things.

1) The download manager didn't seem to install correctly and the place where you would add the feeds won't accept a paste.

2) Podcasts should be automatically bookmarked. If I have to pause I want it to pick up where I left off.

3) When I pick a playlist to play I don't want to have to select a song as well. I should be able to just pick the playlist and hit play.

4) Still trying to figure out why some tracks sync'ed with 'synctunes' on the Mac show up as not there on canola

5) Consistency issue... I love the interface, but what is that icon(s) up in the upper right corner. All the other icons seem to represent something obvious or do something interesting.

6) I find it very hard to scroll, I don't know exactly why. For some reason it likes to select rather than start to scroll.

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I don't know if this issue has been covered, but I don't understand how the ordering of photos works. On other image viewers, the pics come up in order according to filenames (alpha/numeric). In Canola, however, the pics are out of order, and I can't see a pattern.

I love the interface, but I would like my pics in order.

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Maybe it is by date of creation/modification? I'll take a look at my pictures to see.

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Hi Brontide,

Thanks for the feedback. Most of the topics you touched have already been discussed / explained / solutions demonstrated here, but I'm glad to received because this is the data I use to priorize / change things.

So, even having the answers spreads in the threads I will answer again:

What device are you using? Did you try hitting the menu button -> paste? when the keyboard is open it should do that even in the screen keyboard.

Anyways, the newest canola tuning gives you an small addition to the browser that let you add without copying and pasting. Even if you decided to do that, it's completely possible AFAIK.
take a look at mike's guide here

http://bp2.blogger.com/_lscQ2wlbw88/..._Paste_URL.png


Yes, this was a mandatory thing since the beginning, but first we needed to make sure :
a. you are able to "safely" subscribe to your feeds (I think we are supporting most of them now )

b. Download manager should be trustable (it took a lot of work but it's way better for beta6)

c. DM should support queues.

After that the next would be implemeting the more needed playaback options, and bookmark the last played point is happening. It was bookmarking only if you didn't leave canola. Now it will save your position for every episode. If not available on next release (coming in a couple of days) it will be on the second (coming in 2 to 4 weeks, due to the Bossa conference)

But, it doesn't end here, and we are looking forward: after that we will include : dowload all (from a feed) pause all, schedule downloads, and more options that are in the podcast backlog.

Yeah, this was "known" and Morpheuz is trying to figure out how to do it without being a hack. As we tried to create our infrastructure so easy to develop on top, the playback and the media engine still a little bit too complicated to deal with the underlying media renderes, but we will solve thi. Not only for playlist but for the "play random". Should start playing already. This is really a annoying thing (I'm a random mode guy) :)

I, and the design we use mac, and synctunes... I think the relation is not there, but maybe on the ID tags. We are improving release by release (people have noticed) and what we can do is : send us some of the files that canola doesn't find? We will add to our "test media card" and make sure it appears (not by hack of course, but finding the reason it's not coming in the scanner) send me a PV(private message) that I will send you my personal email (it's my username on gmail ) : )


Yeah, this was posted with more detail on my blog. here

Resuming : we had nice plans for it, and it was suppose to be a "task switcher" and you would understand the icon the first time you touch it. BUT we saw that in the near future the TS would not happen, so we decided to focus on the other important things, and left there only the "playing now" indicator. That helps you jump back to the playing now screen. But even that doesn't justify a button solely for that, so our plans is to transform it on a "notification area" but no plugin (but the playing) uses it now. So, it is indeed a "mistake" on the consistency side, but we are (sadly) aware of it, and we will try to fix once we get the bugs ironed out and some plugins that needs it :)



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Yeah, Mike (the one I sent you the link a little bit up) talked to me for a couple of hours on messenger about that. Of course I could enter the merits of the whole device's screen sensitivity but this is not the point.

The point is: this kind of screen (I assume here) is not the best thing to do what we are doing. Why? Because you need to apply pressure and keep the pressure.

So: if you touch, (it gets a press) and when you drag up or down your finger... if the pressure you're making is lighter to the point that the screen is not "felling" it anymore.. than it will be taken as a click : / because your finger was down and up on an same position (with a small, 5pixel boundarie). We can avoid that, but then clicking would be Amazingly hard, so it's complicated.

BUT I'm not saying that is your fault because maybe you are doing "soft" presses, but it's that we (the software) need points on the screen, if you don't do them : / we cannot "guess", and what happens is that you are really not "dragging the finger, slightly pressing the screen, you are just touching it superficially on the second stage of your dragging movement : /

ALSO: there's imperfections and problems with our implementations, but I must say here, that's why canola is not running on window mode, that's why canola has animation, that's why we are trying to be really different from the other gtk based apps. Because we are experimenting, and we will for sure get thing wrongs in the way, but as people have noticed, we have been trying to improve them like crazy :)

So, please do a test using something that creates more pressure (your finger nail) or even your stylus... and see how it works (if the screen is receiveing the touches) we will try to improve it :/ but I think there will be still some miss clicks : /

again, thanks for the time writing the suggestion, we are reall taking them into account!

Marcelo

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Thanks Marcelo!

The copy and paste I was having trouble with was on the n810 using the ctrl-v on the keyboard. I never though the bring up the onscreen one and use the menu based paste. It's a workaround for now.

If I'm able to recreate the problem with synctunes I will try and dd the card to an image.

I would use my fingernail, if I had any ;-) It's my nervous tick. Canola it not the only application where scrolling/clicking is sometimes hard.

I'll try a complete uninstall and reinstall for beta6 to see if the download manager gets installed this time.

Cheers,
Eric

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Brontide, so you use other kinetic scrolling and don't feel the same right? I was investigating this, and of course some of them has small advantages (like smaller scrolling area = better speed = better feedback ) others have choose : it's easier to scroll sometimes harder to click, but for sure as I told you we will improve this :) even if we need to work hard as hell on this.

For Beta6, we will have a really complex set of changes in the core, so I would recommend you to use canola-cleanup to make sure things go well. We are a little bit more "conservative" for beta6, as we did TOO much changes (as we are approaching the support for third party) we need to make sure we don't brake too much stuff after :)

So, what application you use most that has the best click-not-click ratio? I have good results with UKMP, and you ? (mediabox uses the small icon on the corner so it's other case )

Br

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hi,

the pics are ordered by creation date (in the thumb view: the first row should have the newest images and the last the oldest).
if that is not happening to you, it is already fixed for the next release.

br

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Mauku unstable version has an innovative use for this problem. It's simple and works perfect: scrolling is done normally whereas to open an item is done by means of gestures, a gesture towards the right will open an item.
It's cool and it eliminates the problem of the unwanted clicks but it's not too easy for the users to determine how to open an item.

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My biggest problem has been with PAUSE in video. I love playing ripped movies on Canola2, and once you're in a ways (say, 1 hour) Pause does not work. Instead, the movie stutters forward.

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Hi geraldKo : this is reallly weird, I will rip a movie today to see what is this : /
Actually I have one :) I will take a look. Really strange, but thanks for the bug report..

I will see if we can add the fix to the next release.

*are you using mplayer?

Br

Marcelo

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Might I suggest that this is not a very good way to order the pics. Users will want to rename and renumber pics the way they want. Having the date override that makes it impossible to control things.

So, unless this feature is changed, I'm sticking with Quiver.

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This is happening for me too. (Sometimes)

An important feature that is missing for me is that the program doesn't resume at the spot in the film where you last stopped it. Mplayer has this feature, but is a bit too primitive for me. Get this feature in Canola and it will be my default video player!

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Hi guys,

We are testing this again, it's very odd, but if it's recurrent we will fix. Also the remembering state was a bug, it was supposed to work, so it will be add. We closed features 2 days ago, as deep changes were made because we are almost ready for developer support :)

So 46jimbo :) we are quite close tohave your as a User :)
BR

Marcelo

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Small one to add to the list. Please support am/pm in the time display depending on region/preference.

Can't wait for the next release, you guys are great!

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Canola2 beta 5 won't read the .mp3 files on the external media card. All other multimedia apps do, as did the previous Canola2 beta 3.

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I just installed it and I tried to play a 4:3 video. It works fine, but it stretches to wide screen.

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Recently I upgraded to the latest version I think and now for some reason non of my podcasts will play at all any suggestions.

I have always had a very big problem with choppy podcasts. Can anyone suggest what types work best and if I should install some other media player or something in the back end to help.

I really like the idea of Canola getting slower and slower on video playback.

Here is what I currently have installed
Canola-tuning 0.3.0-maemo2
Canola2 2.0.0~beta5-meamo4

If it matters I’m running all this off a scandisk ExtremeIII 8gb

Also note I’m really new at all this

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@Ogar : please can you provide more info, and do one small test: without marking the " top " level card (eye) mark the eye on the folder inside the media card. It seems that we have a small issue with this top level " watch folder " : /

@drizek : This is a known issue, a small bug on mplayer. There's a "hack" to solve it, (that's why you probably can test on other plays like media box and see the video perfect) but we prefer doing the right away, we wrote a patch (contribute) to Mplayer, the maintainer accepted and is going to be integrated on Mplayer :) so it's just a matter of time.

@k4kman : Can you send some of the feeds you use? But bare in mind: the new version support many more feeds, we fixed a lot of bugs, and we are improving it a lot on this version. Still not what we aim, but its getting better (Current download, "today's episode", top rated etc, "new" label, description short text on list optional.)

About the choppy send some feeds to us, lets see what we can do :)

"I really like the idea of Canola getting slowe and slower on video playback"
-> what's happening? getting slower? what is happening? can you provide more info?

So you have a n800 or a n810?

thanks for the feedback, we are always needing them

Marcelo

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Wow thanks for getting back to me ok as for the choppy stuff send me a link to one you think works well as I have yet to find any that are smooth now the voice stuff is fine even with choppy video the voice is always really nice.

As for the slower and slower I found that I had added one that had about 100 days in the list and as soon as I removed that pod cast from my list it seems to have fixed the slowing down of thing as this is most likely a known bug just did not notice it before as most only show 5 or 6 in the log.

i'm using a N800

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Marcelo, I have a freshly flashed N800 with OS2008. The external memory card was erased, music and video files were reloaded, and the tablet was rebooted.

Following the re-flash, Canola2 beta 5 was installed fresh. I fired up Canola2, then selected the "music" folder on the memory card, following your instructions, as the source for the audio files. Still did not work. I also re-stared Canola2 after setting the music folder on the external memory card just in case an app restart would help . It didn't. Nor did another tablet restart.

I can't think of anything else to try. Do you have any other suggestions?

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Marcelo, I had this issue (that Pause, once a feature-length movie is far along, turns into Stutter Forward) with the prior release as well as with Beta 5. And I've had the problem on several movies (actually, I'm not aware of any movies where I haven't had the trouble), but never until they've been running quite a while.

As for whether I am using mplayer: I have it installed, but I don't run it when I run Canola2.

And BR to you too!

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Hi Marcelo,

I have problems with the potcast function in Canola. I tried to use the potcast "http://static.orf.at/fm4/podcast/soundpark.xml". I can see all the songs, but I can't download it. For example the other potcast from this site is working (http://static.orf.at/podcast/fm4/fm4_projekt_x.xml).

There is also a little volume problem. The first second of the song (ogg) is always at 100% of the volume. Then it goes to the suspended volume level.

In the photos-thumbnail-view: I can't see all the thumbnails. It just show the little-gray icon of a camera. I think all this empty thumbnails are PNGs. When I click on this thumbnails it shows the image perfectly. For example: I saved the Blue-Theme-Image of Canola that you have posted in another tread and I can't see a thumbnail.

My configuration:
canola2-cleanup, ogg-support 0.6, ogg-support-lms 0.4, N800, OS2008, all the updates

Johannes

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I'd like a way to force a DB refresh from the command line, as I update files outside while canola is running and don't want to have to use the GUI to force a refresh.

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Hi !

To do this, you can send a dbus message to canola-daemon.
Using python it would look like this:

obj = bus.get_object("br.org.indt.canola.Daemon", "/br/org/indt/canola/Daemon", introspect=False)

iface = dbus.Interface(obj, "br.org.indt.canola.Daemon")
iface.start_monitoring()
iface.scan_all_paths()

So, it's important to call "start_monitoring" so canola-daemon start's looking for sd changes and then just call "scan_all_paths" to refresh the database.

If you have any further questions, just send an email to me (artur.souza AT openbossa.org).

BR,