Re: n810.. a month later
 

Exactly. Mostly-open roadmaps are practically an OEM-specific thing. And even those companies have their secrets and NDAs...

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I guess I come across as ITT police, but its not because I don't want to hear what people want to say. I love reading about the problems people have with the IT, because I have some of them too! The only issue I have is when people start out new threads to rehash something that has been defined before. I understand "noobs" doing new posts but I think that for maximum efficiency its best to limit the number of new threads about something. For instance if you want to talk about Modest failures there is an "Official" Modest thread where the developers of modest or those that care about Modest would probably peek into to see what issues people have. GeneralAntilles suggestion to go to bugzilla should probably be taken seriously by those of us who clamor for beta and alpha software to install and tinker but for others its *much* easier to go into a thread and post the issue.

When a thread gets really long its easy to use the google search link I provided to find specific posts in a thread that will help. Last week when the Youtube plugin came for Canola, there were two different posts about it, this resulted in information getting spread into the two threads and the same things being posted multiple times. I don't think Handful and those guys mind all that much but being able to see what their users are saying in a single thread is obviously a better and more manageable situation.
I belong to another forum where the mods will ban users for posting useless info and for duplicating threads or remove new posting capability, (that doesn't need to happen here because its such a small community) it maintains nice clean functional threads packed with a wealth of information.

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And to tack on to mobiledivide's excellent post above: many of us absolutely do not mind "carrying the water to the well", ie, creating bugs at bugzilla for those who just can't be bothered. I've created and commented on several as have many here. But it can't stop there. We desperately need people to vote on them.

And on one hand I'm willing to grant validity to the complaints about no warnings to consumers over the "beta" state of things, but doggone it, Linux is plainly advertised. IMO, that factor alone should make people, especially typical consumers, look/ask/measure before leaping. Sorry if that sounds dismissive, but that's how I feel.

EDIT: okay, a disclaimer-- Linux may not be obvious to most purchasers at first blush. But I don't understand anyone who buys a product like this without understanding it to a reasonable extent, doing comparison shopping, etc. I just don't.

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I wish that the world worked that way but Linux doesn't imply anything to most people. It needs to do what they want, easily and efficiently. Someone that doesn't know the difference between a hard drive and a computer can work with an iPhone or a Zune for example. Yes, they are decidedly less complex than what an N810 is trying to deliver, and Nokia has one hell of a challenge but they need more resources behind this so they don't get left behind when Moblin or OS X devices start steamrolling.

Edit: Haha tex :) You edited when I was away from my comp.

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Again: the closer analog here is the PC, not iPhones, Zunes, or even Macs. Mostly open means mostly risky. Windows users know this well. ;)

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TiVo, Panasonic set-top boxes, Archos PMP's, D-Link DM320, and the Kindle all run linux and are targeted at consumers. Linux is not the issue here, Nokia's QA is.

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Pfft. You're not seriously calling Windows a more open ecosystem than OS X, are you? :p

As a heavy user of OS X, and a (if not expert) experienced user of Windows, this is most definitely not the case.

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Linux is still a factor. The unique and broad aspects vis-a-vis its implementations on the tablets cannot be so cavalierly dismissed.

No matter how you slice it, the 770 was a first in key respects and there continues to be no direct competition for the tablets.

EDIT: and that QA slap is overly broad.

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I mean that in the broadest sense. The PC experience is MUCH more open than the Mac experience, OSX or no.

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Personally, I disagree. :p Windows doesn't have easy access to the wide range of Linux software out there. ;)

Your point may have been accurate with pre-OS X releases, but OS X really changed all that.