Re: It's official: N810 WiMAX announced
 

Quick question about the device and what we already know about it. It seems to operate in the 2.5 ghz range which is actually compatible with most of Rogers existing Inukshuk network in Canada. This device is not locked down to a specific service provider or requires a contract to purchase the device right?

So technically, shouldn't I be able to head down to the US on a trip and pick one of these up and get Rogers to provide the Wimax service?

EDIT: Well I watched one of the videos on the main page, and it was hinted by that demo lady that I could probably do something like that here :D

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You are correct: no device lockdown at all (EDIT: to carriers per se).

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AFAIK in Italy they are licensing WiMAX at frequencies of 3.4Ghz, while this WiMAX enabled tablet is set at 2.5Ghz.
So I suppose that us, in Italy at least, will be out of luck this round.
Unless Nokia comes out with a new EU version of the WiMAX version of the N810.

As far as I understand it the WiMAX has a pretty wide range of working frequencies, from 2Ghz up to 66Ghz.
The higher the frequency, the higher the bandwidth, the higher the battery consumption, the lower the penetration...right ?

Anyway, the choice of which frequency a WiMAX enabled device can talk on is a matter of the local government, as far as I can tell.
As usual EU and US looks like are following different paths.
EU is pushing bandwidth, while US penetration/power consumption.

In the end, the user pays for it.
If all I have written is true, then my WiMAX enabled device is already limited to only those countries that licensed the 3.4Ghz frequency and won't let me chat in the US.

Welcome to the real world, my dear.

Re: It's official: N810 WiMAX announced
 

hmm, the 810-wimax spec says 2.5GHz, and the UK freq looks set to be 2.6GHz according to this:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9287208,00.htm

so maybe we'll strike lucky after all.

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The device is not locked down and you can buy it w/o a contract , but compatibility is the great unknown. This device was destined for XOHM before XOHM was even called XOHM. Remember compatibility is more than mere frequency,and also includes authentication mechanisms as well as access.

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are users going to have to pay for sprint's xohm service? is it going to be just another 50-60 dollar unlimited service deals like with sprint's evdo laptop card?

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If you mean "have to" in the sense of "if you buy a N810WE you are automatically signing up for a service fee"? If it's anything like the GPS service on the N810 (nonWE) (almost pronounces like enui), then no. If you don't want to have WiMAX, and just want a black&amber N810, then you probably wont have to activate the WiMAX service and can use it just like the N810 (nonWE).

If you mean "have to" in the sense of "does WiMAX service cost money, or is it free with my N810WE"? ... I'm quite certain that Sprint doesn't offer XOHM on a charity or non-profit basis. So, yes, you'll have to pay for it in some fashion. :-)

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Sorry, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades..

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yes, but the US has a tendency to "round off" about certain frequency statements. For example, we talk here about the 800MHz cellular band ... that is really at 850MHz.

I'm not saying that that's what's being done here, but it could be, and that would make "close" count for this too :-)

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I just checked and it appears that although OFCOM (office of communication) in the UK call our wimax band 2.6GHz, it's actually 2.5 to 2.692, so it looks as if the 810-we would work.

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no way 3.4Ghz can be considered close to 2.5Ghz....

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Note too that Nokia announced only that is was making the N810WE available in the United States, in areas where WiMAX is available.

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i meant "have to" in the second sense. i thought maybe there was a small chance it'd be free cuz sprint released their evdo service for free with amazon's kindle ebookreader device thingy, but then again the only thing the kindle could do was buy amazon ebooks.

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Did someone say it was? I just saw where 2.5 was said to be in the UK range... :confused:

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[QUOTE=anidel;163822]No bandwidth is related to how much channel width and what modulating encoding scheme is used, so for sake of simplicity say you have a 100 MHz channel width you get 100 Mbps and 50 MHz channel you get 50 MHz. Higher bandwidth just has less ability to penetrate walls, which is why you can hear the bass at 22Hz through the floor, but not the tweeters at 20,000 Hz.

For the most part you're correct, I own a wireless service provider company and we've decided to use the 5.4GHz unlicensed frequency for deployment of WiMAX, but mostly as a last mile link. If one wanted to use the 810 on our network then Nokia would have to deploy it with a 5.4GHz WiMax RF chip.

I don't believe that to be the case, but I don't really follow the EU


Bingo! But I think a lot of carriers are going to be in for a surprise as the unlicensed versions of WiMax carrier equipment starts appearing allowing for a greater range of competitor alternatives at much lower cost structures with out being tied into one carriers particular network. There was a time when one could only get voice from the telephony company, then VoIP came along and changed that whole game plan completely. The original goal when we started work on WiMax in the 802.16 forums was to have the same impact.

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I think that was merely a statement of disappointment that no such discovery of workingness could be hoped for.

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Here I thought that 20 kHz being above the audible range for people over 25 was the reason... :p

Seriously: You do mean higher frequency, not bandwidth, right?

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That's something different. Not free EV-DO, but free selected downloads via EV-DO. Back when Google was getting involved, there was some discussion of offering some minimal services via WiMax in an effort to try to increase new users. But XOHM has so many problems now, the freebies are the least of the issues.

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Oops :D and I'm suppose to be an expert on RF...yes I meant frequency, thanks for catching that!

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Yes, I read that too.. that's why I wrote that we are not lucky "this round".
Waiting for the next one :)

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Ehehe it was an ironic statement :D

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ehehe
the house I am currently sleeping in has thick walls (being an old italian house), and my UMTS provider won't penetrate those walls, but the GPRS/EDGE signal does (and from a roaming partner).
So he's still right in my case :-p

The higher bandwidth provided by UMTS won't penetrate the walls. :D

Re: It's official: N810 WiMAX announced
 

And I'm sure Sprint gets a cut of those sales, in return for their EVDO "donation". There's no such built-in revenue stream for the N810 from which Sprint could take a piece of the pie.

Sprint Xohm Launch Officially Delayed
 

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/S...-Delayed-93257

looks the the WIMAX network intended for the WIMAX tablet is going to be delayed...

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Will other than US Wimax version be made?

I leave in Brussel where we have "Clearwire" a pre-wimax provider. Clearwire operates at licensed 3.5GHz frequencies

Re: It's official: N810 WiMAX announced
 

No such development has been announced, confirmed, or denied.

We can be pretty sure that it won't happen till after the US version, at any rate. It's quite possible, if the N810W is sufficiently successful, that Nokia expands into other popular bands; I don't know how widely used 3.5 GHz is; if it's Brussels only, not much chance; if it's 95% of Europe and half of China, it's pretty likely.

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It's not just all about WiMAX: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7348706.stm

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Its clear that nokia will support Lte rather then Wimax....... that suggests the lacklusture nokia interest and commitment to the n810 wme

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No, what's clear is that BOTH will be addressed.

If your doubt was correct, sachin, then NSN would not be making WiMAX base stations. ;)

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*blink* what? where did that one come from?

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Hey texrat... How is your wimax testing going on?? I just wanted to ask you because we are in the same location and i am in a dilemma whether to save some cash for the n810 wme or just buy the n810 for now??