What's N810 WME worth w/o WIMAX ?
 

http://gizmodo.com/375981/is-wimax-a...an-open-letter

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Search first, post later.

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I would think it would depend on how much of the radio was put together with software and how much was hard wired. That would determine if it could adapt to a new formate that worked

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Sorry; My bad - I searched 'gizmodo' instead of 'gizmode'.

But thanks none the less for your vigilant policing of fourm etiquette. ..|.,

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Aw, did he hurt your feelings? :(

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Hah, not really - just on a bad day you snippy little forum enforcers *iss me off - not to mention make this a less than welcoming place for any newcomers looking for info.

Yes, people should search before posting, but in General :D those that choose to remind us of that don't have to be such pricks about it.

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That knife cuts both ways. :)

Besides, you seem to have mistaken a simple tip for some sort of personal attack. Perhaps it's really you who needs to reevaluate your attitude. ;)

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I am feeling the love!

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Anderbr, I'm with you 100%!

Sometimes you can search for something, and you'll not find it without being REALLY specific about your search. So when your search doesn't turn up a positive result, you have no option but to post.

At which point you run the risk of getting some cocky little poster giving some smart-arsed remark about how you should search first!

It's not helpful, and it makes the forum seem like a place unwelcoming to those needing help!

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2anderbr the trouble with wit is if your to good with it no one understands you. maybe you should of put a note that the link was very important to understanding the question.i will translate your question for the slow at clicking : what do you all think will happen with this newfangled wifi service?

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seriously its not very welcoming
and idk how to put this more respectfully, but Antilles and other gurus and such, could you please speak in simpler terms? it seems like simply the vocabulary you guys use is rather unfriendly towards newcomers. It's not very welcoming to the average Windows-using inexperienced user to immediately perform some function in Xterm without even discussing what Xterm is.

Yes, now you're going to ridicule me and say "its a command line obviously" and call me stupid, (I know now how it all works, but it took a while to learn).

Please don't assume everyone is a Linux developer, and don't treat newcomers with such harshness. Yes, he should have used search, but it is a little unwelcoming, you have to admit.

Also, can someone think of a better way to organize App releases on this site? I constantly have to find the first page of each thread (which usually has like 1000 pages of posts), and many times the latest app isnt even ON the OP, then I have to go hunting.

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no he should not of used search. his original question was asking for opinion and not fact. which would be obvious to anyone who followed the link he included

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Part of Ubuntu's popularity is their noob friendly community.

They have avoided the usual linux holier than thou "RTFM" guru type pricks.

This community like all other linux communities is not a friendly place for anyone thats a noob.

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I am in the process of purchasing a N810, and the general community here was a major factor in making my decision. It is incredible, but I am really turned off by some of what I have seen on this forum.

As a newcomer, the snarky and immature tone of a handful of people here significantly brings down the appeal of the community. I am technically savvy, but would hate to be otherwise with the reception some people get.

If it's an effort to encourage people to act in a certain way, then it is misguided. Linking to the information they're looking for, and requesting they search in the future is most likely to help encourage the behavior you want (and in theory also help improve external access to the site through search engine results).

Doing so is a hassle, but remaining silent is also an alternative---and is generally the next best thing. It avoids the frustration of responding altogether. Someone else might come along and be willing steer the newcomer in the right direction. Give them a chance.

I've managed and have been involved with many communities---and have also been guilty of the same behavior on several occasions. I recognize the damage it does and try my best to avoid it. I completely understand the frustration that newcomer naivety/noise brings when trying to create a useful resource.

I think you have a great thing here overall, and look forward to participating. Everyone who contributes has created a great resource---including the snarky/immature members, minus their unproductive comments. I have found an incredible amount of value here.

A little kindness goes along way toward retaining people who are likely to become productive members in the future.

Props to everyone involved, and I hope you receive my criticism as well intentioned---rather than another snarky post =)

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see now Antilles is gonna say something similar to what he said before

"aww did he hurt your feelings" or some immature conceited d-bag comment
everytime the snobby people on this site do that, you're killing Nokia by turning people away

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That happens to all of us some times. Obviously i think the general did not mean to hurt you guys as much as you guys really are.
Anyway i think the point has been taken in by whomsoever concerned and cut the flak on GA. After all he helps lot more members than he pisses off. Give him a break

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which is part of the reason why Linux hasn't taken off.
you shouldn't have to be a pro at an entire field just to do one task, or just for a certain thing.

so indirectly, people like Antilles and other snarky admins hold Linux back, and turn people off from Nokia, and in many instances, will force people to go for Apple (i dont make the rules, thats just how it is- a LARGE number of people use NIT's for music, which i know a lot of these unfriendly admins arent particularly interested in because it doesn't contain enough Linux in it).

Way to turn people off from the truly good product, guys.

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well who would buy a NIT just for music, wouldn't be a smartest of uses for money.

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well thats one of the BIG reasons i'm saying

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The NIT is one of the few devices of its size that combines the following:

Decent speakers
Flexible storage

Multiple music players (so you can determine if you really need finger scrolling, or something basic)

Support of multiple file formats

Ability to stream a variety of music (shoutcast, pandora, last.fm)

Ability to play music off of networked sources (shared drives)

Ability to scrobble played tracks (important to those of us that listen to music on a variety of systems, but like to get a snapshot of musical taste and share them)

Ability to use torrents and download specific music.


A lot of this is due to the open nature of the device. So, I may be new here, getting an NIT strictly for music is not as dumb as your limited vision may think it is.

I don't really post / come here anymore as I got tired of all the smart people poo pooing on those that aren't 'leet enough for them. I do sysadmin for a job. I see it everyday. I don't need to be a part of it in my off time.

I agree with some of the other people. The NIT is very cool, but you need a community to figure half the stuff out, and some of this community are not very friendly.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I see i'm not alone. The NIT is such a great idea, except it takes a lot of work to perfect, and this forum doesnt help.

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I'm not going to reply to the rest of the topic, because mostly it either seems to be nonsensical arguments from people with an axe to grind or responses to an issue which didn't manifest itself in this thread.

I do take issue with this, though:

Above content was changed in the process of me generating a reply, the poster originally alleged that the community was not very responsive.

How many questions do you see go unanswered on these forums? Not many (almost none, in fact, and those that do ), and most are answered very promptly and thoroughly—much better than the much touted Ubuntu forums where questions routinely never get answered at all.

You can perhaps fault some of us for poor bedside manner (I'm included here), but (in my opinion, of course) a little bit of brusqueness towards voluntary stupidity, unpleasantness and an unwillingness to invest a little time towards fixing your own issues is a small price to pay for free prompt, able and intelligent support.

Note, unfortunately it seems that the poster changed his post in the process of me replying to his original post in which he claimed that the community was not very responsive. As the reply was already typed out by the time I noticed that the quote had changed, I'm just going to go ahead and post it.

I believe if you'd ask around, you'll find a lot of satisfied customers who got a rather exceptional amount of competent help from these forums.

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Yeah, I reread what I wrote (I was more angry about the critique of why one should or should not buy an NIT in the first place) and realized that it was not true.

There are a fair number of helpful people on this forum

Some people's manners regarding topics they believe have been covered or going over tasks that seem rudimentary to them is the sticking point that I believe has caused this thread to go as far off topic as it has.

I apologize for initially stating that one can not get a useful / helpful answer by posting here.

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I enjoyed anderbrs original question at the begining of the thread and would enjoy some further discution on that topic.

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What would have probably been more helpfull near the start of the thread would have been a link to this thread where that article was discussed at length.
I would suspect it is better to continue discussion of that article there, as I doubt anyone is going to read this thread on that subject!

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The search function on this site sucks, and those high-and-mighties that like to chastise users for asking questions they could not find answers to really need to get over themselves and ram it where the sun don't shine. I've sent two new 810 owners here since the new year, who purchased the device on my recommendation, and who were admittedly not the most internet-savvy users, and both came back to me and said nobody wanted to help them when they asked questions, just berated them for not knowing how to search properly.

That's not a community, that's just a bunch of self-righteous pricks who are evidently pretty proud of themselves.

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Really? I havent seen much of that since I was here. Some people can be funny, but most people are fairly good with newbies (especially compared to some places I have been).
I certainly don't often see a thread go unanswered.
Can you provide a link to the threads in question?

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Please, post this sort of rubbish somewhere where anything like that is happening. No-one's asking a question (other than the rhetorical and/or flame-bait one in the title), it's a news link. So, of course no one's "helping" them.

Posting a link to recent news in Gizmodo, and trying not to duplicate another thread, my technique would be to search (entire posts, not titles) for Gizmodo, for the appropriate time interval. (By principle of causality, I don't care if that Gizmodo article was linked sometime before it was posted on Gizmodo. ;)) Whaddyaknow, I'd have found the existing thread, even though Gizmodo was spelled wrong in the title. Nothing to do with itT's admittedly weak search facilities; it's just a matter of knowing how to search.

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To be honest, the burden should be on everyone (new or old) that if you make a new post, you prove that you have tried to search and could not find a thread discussing your question or topic. The forum gets clogged up with redundant threads and it's irritating to see 6000 "android on N810" discussions getting started simply because the search button wasn't being used.

Nobody is trying to make new members feel unwelcome, except when there is a lack of effort when posting. Had you put a 3rd line saying "I've tried searching but could not find an answer, can someone help?", that would have made all the difference. A title and a link makes you appear lazy and nobody wants to spend time contributing to someone who doesn't show some respect for the community.

By the way, I'm probably one of the newest to join, so I should be the last person giving this kind of tip...

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It seems everyone who doesn't try to learn won't learn. Apply this to the NIT's. I've listening to people who think you have to be a Maemo Dev or something silly in order to know what XTerm is or like more complicated things like porting using matchbox, or just overall what people deem tech savy tasks.

Seriously, I don't even own a Nokia Internet Tablet. But I technolust for it (ha ha,) and I just know many things about them. As always there is so much to learn.

Another point: Use your resources. Learning about Maemo, the Nokia Internet Tablets, and Linux in general is not limited to this forum. Check out all the blogs about these devices. Get on the mailing lists. Learn about the "evolution" (if you will) of linux on wikipedia. Learn an easy(ier) programming language like ruby or python. BTW, most things you need to know are already in the forums, or on another site.

maybe im just ranting too much, but isn't this a part of having a nokia internet tablet is knowing how to use it????