Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Cool it works, though now my mmc boot has 500 MB of storage and the rest is just regular internal memory (3.5 GBs roughly) . It's not going be enough to install KDE on it. >.<

Off to redo it. I guess the step
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[the following is for an 8GB card; for a 2GB card use 1100 instead of 7100; for a 4GB card, use 3100; for a 16GB card, use 15100]
[If you want to understand this better, see this post.]
0,7100,0C [after entering this, the new prompt should end in p2]
,,, [that's right, you type three commas and click enter]
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So where I wrote 3100 I need to put the equivilant MBs# for about 3 GBs?

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

No, clear device doesn't touch initfs. But a reflash does.

If you do reflash original initfs, and if you still have initfs_flasher folder, go into it and run ./initfs_flash initfs.bootmenu.jffs2

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

There any reason why the card would be saying it cant copy/full when imaging the OS to SD ?? (thinking might be the SDHC card)

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Just cloned the os to 4gb SD Card and booting from the card it is saying that I only have 96mb left on the internal card, but 3.21gb on the Device. Is this how it is supposed to be? Because even if I boot to flash it says I only have 96mb left on the internal and 143mb on the device


Another question..I did a search but I couldnt find anything. Is it possible to edit the boot menu to remove/add entries, change the names of the entries and select which partition the tablet to boot to by default? Right now when i boot the tablet it goes into the boot menu and selects External MMC (N/A) and I want it to select Internal MMC and automatically boot into Internal MMC and change the timeout from 30sec to maybe 5sec

Also, holding the MENU key gives me the same bootmenu -- nothing advanced about it

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

mooler, which #s did you use when it came to the point where you had to enter "/dev/mmcblk0 -uM" and then you'd type in "/dev/mmcblk0p1: 0,3300,0C" and "/dev/mmcblk0p2: ,,,"?

Trying to get it so I have 128 MBs (or more if necessary) for my internal memory card and the rest for my device memory (to install KDE and apps). Currently using the instructions in the first post with "03100,0C" netted me with 500 MB of device memory and the rest of memory 3+ GBs for my internal memory card.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I can't think of why (though you might get a better answer from a real Linux user/guru, like fanoush).

If it's the SDHC card, it ought to be solved by your formatting it per Step 2. My guess is that if it can be formatted that way, it isn't your problem. If you want to double-check further, also format it with Windows (if that's your computer OS) to FAT. If both those work, I'd be very doubtful the card is the problem.

bunanson has listed what cards are known to have worked for cloning.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

There is a README from fanoush in the initfs_flasher folder you created in the cloning process. Check that out. Also, this thread.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

ok figured out PQI 8gb SDHC class 6 cards WILL NOT work with 0,7100,0C or 0B partition setting need 7000 or lower (card shows up as 7.68 formated this normal for 8gb? might be issue with the card maker)

Anyways since thats figured out now what i need to know is anyone run into the issue of getting corrupt p2 on mmc ?? i did fsck everything is fine. Would the 2nd partition be shown on the flash boot (in fstab or mount?) cause it doesnt show up by default

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I think you're mistaken about those parameters not working on that card. It all depends on how much you want in each partition, but you ought to be able to flash into 256MB.

7.68 is certainly within the normal range. I think mine have been more like 7.5 to 7.6.

Glad you got it working!

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Nope not mistaken 0,7100 would FAIL every time the OS was copied over saying CARD FULL etc.(12 attempts done all resulted in the same ending till i gave more room to the 2nd partition) Changed the size everything copied over flawlessly like it should have, like i said its prob. something with just this PQI 8gb card (yes LLF was done everytime)

Just trying to figure out this failed immc2 now

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Well, if you lived through that 12 times, you're right!

(BTW, I'm not saying 12 times is too many; I made the guide because when I was going through all the places I went to, I probably did that too.)

You ought to put a post on bunanson's thread, URL in early reply to you, about your PQI experience.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I used 0,3100,0C -- i assume that tells the partitioner to use the entire space of the card.

0,3300,0C gives you 500mb on the device and the rest for the memory card. I believe you can still install KDE on the MMC partition.

I guess i am going to start over and use the 0,3300,0C option. I dont like the idea of having the whole card taken up because I usually use WinSCP to SSH into the tablet from my WinXP pc to transfer debs and such because It can be a pain doing things like that directly from the tablet

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

It's the ,,, for the second partition that tells it to use up the entire space. Take a look at the link I recommend at that part of the guide.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Is it the first partition or the second partition that the OS is installed on? Is it the second partition because it seems the FAT part gets written to at this point.

"sudo gainroot
mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1 [it will pause after a string of ###, then get back to a # prompt]
shutdown -r now"

And that's what I deduced from the guide you linked me. So if I wanted at leaset 128 MB for the internal memory card that would be

"#sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -uM

/dev/mmcblk0p1: 0,128[+if I want more],0C
/dev/mmcblk0p2: ,,,
/dev/mmcblk0p3:
/dev/mmcblk0p4:"

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Not sure what you mean by "So if I wanted at least 128 MB for the internal memory card," but the OS is getting written into p2, into the "leftover" on the card from what you made in p1.

mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1 formats the FIRST partition in FAT. You already formatted p2 in ext2.

Yes, if you want the 128MB to be FAT, you've written it correctly. This will leave your OS and apps swimming in a very large Linux partition (unless you have a tiny card).

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Well I want it so I can extend the memory (virtual memory). Also it'll be nice to have the space for KDE and such. And off I go. :) to redo this. I only need to start off from Step 7 right?

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Yes, you can start with Step 7.

I take it you've read up on installing KDE elsewhere, how much room on what partition, etc. (I know nothing about it.)

Good luck! Enjoy!

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Ok im stump'd completely did a FRESH start go at clonning via the #1 post and PQI 8gb SDHC card just will not play nicely trying to boot after following install (everything goes 100% smoothly increasing the 2nd partition size to 7000 vs 7100 so that issue is fixed with this size/maker of card) but trying to boot from MMC2 always results in a corrupt immc2 then boot flash instead

any fix or this or just be easier to forget this card?? (since its a class 6 i'd rather get it working vs sticking a older 2gb card in (class 4))

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Are you making it all the way through Step 10 before giving up? Until you've done the final formatting, you get a message that the card is corrupt.

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Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Hmm to interesting things to note (encountered a problem). After the first time, it no longer reports the card corruption error.

The second thing is on the last step when I'm formating for the FAT partition.

mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1

Normally it would show the #####

But now it says mkdosfs: /dev/mmcblk0p1 contains a mounted file system.

Edit: And memory in the internal flash of maemo reports that my memory on the internal memory card is still 3 GBs..

Edit: Fixed it. After receiving that prompt I, unmounted /media/mmc2 and then redid that command and it worked. Though booting from mmc only reports 250 MB for the device memory.. gotta go see what went wrong.

Edit: I noticed in Milhouse's post that he ends it in 6 with the cards 2 GB or less. For example "/dev/mmcblk0p1: 0,300,06"

Does that have something to do with it?

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I solved my broken NIT! (corrected from ITT- See post #67)

I set the flasher ready to compile in Terminal, then pluged in usb as the borked flash did it's loops. Apparently it was connected long enough to flash back on the original card. This was a clean install to try the cloning, so I did not lose anything.

This next time I will pay closer attention and see where I went wrong.....

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Great, glad to hear it!

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

So after following the steps again, it just doesn't work. I can't get past that error in step 10 (unmounting I believe doesn't really solve the problem).

My internal memory does report as the size I want, but I can't get the device memory to show up correctly and now booting up from mmc2 just stops once the blue bar is completly loaded at the Nokia splash. It's in a frozen state from there, leaving me have to take out the battery to force it to turn off.

How do I reset the partitions completly so I can begin anew?

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Two additional pieces of info. (I'm skipping some steps such as cping files from one directory to another since they should've already been done from the first time I followed the directions unless the scripts delete the files or such). But the script reports that the tar is impossibly old (like 1990 or something like that). Not sure if that causes an error and what not.

Also when doing the first partitioning after doing so it's said if something about foo something when it comes to redoing FAT partitions. Could this be, what's killing the process?

Edit: At the screen, when booting from mmc it just stays stuck there and then it resets and boots into flash.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Laughing Man, I'm replying just 'cause I figure it's lonely, in the midst of the frustration, to post twice over that long a period and not get a response. But I don't know what is wrong, and, as we see, nobody else has offered any ideas either. I can't even tell if your problem arises from the initfs install (in the device) or from the cloning (on the MMC). You won't like this, but all I can suggest is starting from scratch, including the low-level format, doing every step, and reporting here as soon as something doesn't match what's expected.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

In some situations, one can go thru the whole process without any error message, but it still fails to boot, then one needs the panasonic low level formatting. This is the situations with some cards, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ight=panasonic

That seems to be the case with binjinx a couple posts up.

bun

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

It's interesting how "ITT" seems to be cropping up more and more as a "replacement" for "NIT" or "IT".

Just so everybody is clear going forward, "ITT" is the initialism for internet tablet TALK (more properly abbreviated "itT", but "ITT" is my way of sticking it to Reggie and his suspect capitalization practices. :p :D), "NIT" for Nokia Internet Tablet, and "IT" for "Internet Tablet".

Only the last two can be used to refer to an Internet Tablet device. :p

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

ITT was a phone company gone bad years ago too!

I have corrected my post. Thanks!


So if we know a lot about them, do we have "NIT-wit"? :D (humor attempt there!)

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Followed steps using PQI 2gb 60x card and everything works flawless vs the PQI 8gb SDHC card !!! :mad: There a thread for working non working cards?

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

No this wasnt the case with me if you actually read my post you'd see I DID IN FACT LLF with the panasonic tool and another LLF tool I use. I also tried 4 DIFFERENT SD media read/writers (SD and SDHC units) and over 12 different attempts making sure I didnt miss or screw up anything

The PQI 8gb SDHC is just not working at this time. I've tried 2 other cards now a 2gb PQI 60x, and a 16gb Patriot (which I wish was mine :rolleyes: cause it def boots fast vs 2gb)

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Yes, please re-read my posts to you #46 and #51 about bunanson thread.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Yeah, I plan on doing that, however I don't think I can do a low-level format since I don't have an SDHC card reader. Unless I can leave my NIT plugged into my computer and use it as an SDHC card reader? If so, would the low-level format return my partitions to normal? (or would it only read the 256 MB FAT partition I have now?)

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

This is why I explain what everything does in my instructions..

sfdisk formating

what the lines mean are
start,end,type

so
,300,6
starts at the earliest spot(the begining of the card if this is the first parititon) ends at 300 (by default thats 300 kb.. run sfdisk with -uM to use Megabyte units.. uM get it.) and the 6 designates a FAT filesystem

Here is how I do my 2gig card

... actually just gonna copy and paste from my blog



Start the app with this command

sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0

the -uM means display and accept Megabyte units, and you remember that /dev/mmcblk0 is your internal card

Now once your in there you need to setup 4 partitions.. well really just two but its gonna make you set up 2 empty ones too.. don't worry it will make sense.

I am going to use my card as an example, you can modify fairly easily. I have a 2 gig sd card. I am going to give 356 megs to my first partition for use by the applications for music and files and what not, and approximately 1.6 gigs for my rootfs(where the os and applications go). I am going to show all for lines of entry, then explain them.

,356,6
,,L
,,
,,

Ok, sfdisk is configured with three items per line sepearted by ",". The first item is the starting point. We leave it blank to use default, or the next point in line. The second spot is the ending spot. In the first line I defined it to stop 356 megs into the card and in the second left it blank because I wanted to use the rest of the space. The third spot is for filesystem type. 6 is a fat16 type and L is a linux partition type(also called a type 83). The last two lines are completely empty because there is no where to start, and no where to end because there is no more space. When prompted to write the information you can type y. Don't worry about any warnings.. its an old format tool and not aware of the advances in linux.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I've tried using your instructions for sfdisk formating as well. It leads to the same problem (booting from mmc will not work anymore). It just stays stuck on the Nokia screen with the blue bar loaded. After a while it reboots and I'm back at the boot menu.

Is there any alternative to low level formating? (don't have access to an SDHC reader).

Edit: I'm going try the directions in your blog Schmot's.
Edit: Same exact problem (I reflashed my tablet and redid everything following your blog post)

I'm beginning to think it's my SDHC card. -_- *sighs* (It's an A-Data 4 GB class 6 SDHC card).

Reading around it seems that it does require a low level format (possibly why it only worked the first time so it needs another one?). So maybe I need to go find an SDHC card reader..

Edit: (this is probably getting annoying now huh..? I apologize if so). Apparantly you can format your SDHC cards with the Panasonic formatter if you just leave them in the tablet and connect the tablet to PC. Off to try again now. :)

Edit: And it still doesn't work (even gave me the memory is corrupted error like it did the first time I was doing it like the guide stated when it worked.). *sighs*

I could try using my 16 GB card.. but I had originally intended on using my 4 GB for the OS and my 16 GB for external so I could always be loading data into it without much trouble.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I apologize that I did NOT read your early posts, as Geraldko have been doing an excellent job of helping people. I did 'scan' thru some of the earlier posts of yours, and wondered, how did you do your LLF? Does it take 25+ minutes or does it finish in less than 1 min? Mind to take a look at the version, and tell us what version of Panasonic LLF you are using?

bun

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Options:

1) Give up and sit at the corner and cry.
2) Somehow get access to a SDHC writer, via neighbors or your working place and perform a LLF
3) Return the card, it is defective, sometimes after many formatting, the card can be ruined for good. They do advertise lifetime waranty though. According to my list, Adata 4 G turbo does not require LLF. Yours is 4G class 6.
4) Send me the card, I will LLF for you and if you wish, will clone the OS for you. No, this is NOT a paid service. It is me helping you, not going to cost you anything. You do have to take the risk the card may get mail lost or whatever. Conditions: I would not be held liable if card mail lost, mail damage, mail this mail that. You do have my word, I will treat it with utmost care.


Hope this helps,


bun

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

Well I'm not going do one obviously, it's not how I do things, especially with technology. But as for #2, I have done a LLF though. I plugged my tablet into my computer and did a LLF with the Panasonic SD Formater on the drive that popped up (unless this is wrong?). And it does return it back to the regular size. (So if I had partitioned it to a 256 MB FAT 32 and the rest ext2 the tool returns it back to 3.75 GBs).

It did work the first time though when I was setting up the partitions. It was after I wanted to redo the partitions that I started having issues (such as it not booting up after following the steps). Which is why I tried a LLF.

But I could do #4 if it still refuses to work, it would depend on if you lived in the States or not. Though I think at this point I might just cut my losses and try installing the OS onto my 16 GB card.

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

I am in North Carolina.

bun

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

If this is possible is it possible to get an image and clone the image to a card (using a media reader) from a PC? Windoze or Linux?

I lost my USB cable and am waiting for a replacement. The micro USB I found (from a Kyocera headphone charger) does not work, so there is also the possibility I munged my USB port :(

Re: HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting
 

In Windows, you can do it with Acronis True Image ver. 11.

I don't know about Linux one way or the other.